Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt VIII: Spring approaches and less (fewer) things are happening

[theaub]

Throwing stuff at the wall and hoping that it sticks is certainly a bold strategy when you're right on the playoff cusp.

 

[DJB]

The Jays and their starting pitching is like they had a 67 Mustang, souped it up with a ton of power (hitters), gave it a nice paint job (bull pen) then decided...nah we don't need to do anything with that old transmission (starting pitching).

 

[hoc123]

Throwing stuff at the wall and hoping that it sticks is certainly a bold strategy when you're right on the playoff cusp.

I mean, the Yankees and the Rays are essentially doing the same thing.

 

[Hoverhand]

Ben Nicholson-Smith said don’t hold your breath on an Odorizzi or Walker signing.

The Jays want to sign them for one year and those guys want multiple years. They want flexibility next offseason. They want to be big players next offseason.

Says it’s likely the Jays like what they have to start the season and save the money they have and use it to trade for a better pitcher at the deadline.

Says they need to build these starters up. Even without injury or performance related issues, they expect the Jays to use 8-9+ starters before the deadline on purpose.

They want to give their depth pitchers like Hatch, Kay, Thornton and Zeuch a shot at pitching. If they are great they keep them, if they are good they use them as trade bait at the deadline.

They said there are teams like San Fransisco have no shot at the playoffs with the Dodgers and Padres in their division. So they might be motivated to trade earlier in the year.

They use Gausman as an example. The Jays went after him twice in the last two off-seasons and he wouldn’t take their money. So they would force him to play for us via trade.

I'm assuming you've gotten this from the At The Letters podcast, I'm 20 minutes in as we speak. I think the most interesting thing for me thus far has been Zwelling, twice already, alluding to Roark being more likely to be in the starting rotation than not.

 

[phillipmike]

I'm assuming you've gotten this from the At The Letters podcast, I'm 20 minutes in as we speak. I think the most interesting thing for me thus far has been Zwelling, twice already, alluding to Roark being more likely to be in the starting rotation than not.

Yeah you are right. Don’t want to ruin it for you so don’t read any further;

They said SWR will surprise during ST. He will show polish and MLB readiness. They think he will force the Jays hand and will pitching on the 2021 team.

They said he has Marcus Stroman tendencies in the sense that he loves to show his emotions on the field after a big play. They said you will see a lot of this from the next wave of prospects; mostly in SWR, Kloffenstein and Groshans. These are confident players coming.

They like Joey Murray a lot. They think he will make the bullpen at some point in the season and have a long career.

 

[phillipmike]

This guy posted this tweet earlier today and no one believed him. Rightfully so as he has 21 followers but if the Mets are offering 3 years then Walker is going there;

 

[phillipmike]

 

[The Nemesis]

If the Mets are willing to give him 3+ years, more power to them.

 

[canucksfan]

Spring Begins With High Expectations | Podcasts - Sportsnet.ca

Ben Nicholson-Smith said don’t hold your breath on an Odorizzi or Walker signing.

The Jays want to sign them for one year and those guys want multiple years. They want flexibility next offseason. They want to be big players next offseason.

Says it’s likely the Jays like what they have to start the season and save the money they have and use it to trade for a better pitcher at the deadline.

Says they need to build these starters up. Even without injury or performance related issues, they expect the Jays to use 8-9+ starters before the deadline on purpose.

They want to give their depth pitchers like Hatch, Kay, Thornton and Zeuch a shot at pitching. If they are great they keep them, if they are good they use them as trade bait at the deadline.

They said there are teams like San Fransisco have no shot at the playoffs with the Dodgers and Padres in their division. So they might be motivated to trade earlier in the year.

They use Gausman as an example. The Jays went after him twice in the last two off-seasons and he wouldn’t take their money. So they would force him to play for us via trade.

I like this plan. I wouldn't sign either Odorizzi or Walker for multi-year deals. Excluding the Mets, I don't think there is any other team looking into those players so they don't have much leverage. As I have said before, those players aren't going to make a big difference anyways.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Not a chance I would go 3+1 for Walker. Easy pass there.

 

[Discoverer]

Throwing stuff at the wall and hoping that it sticks is certainly a bold strategy when you're right on the playoff cusp.

This is what really bugs me about a large corporate owner. There's no flexibility to adjust for the situation or make that one move to push them over the top when the time is right. The budget is the budget and that's all there is to it.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Buh bye Walker

 

[aingefan]

Vladdy's grandma is going to have to cook less food now.

Keep Kirk and Vladdy on their current programs, and hire a couple someone’s to eat grandma’s cooking. That way no ones tempted, or feels guilty, and she gets to keep doing what she’s doing. Win-win.

 

[BigBlu]

Spring Begins With High Expectations | Podcasts - Sportsnet.ca

Ben Nicholson-Smith said don’t hold your breath on an Odorizzi or Walker signing.

The Jays want to sign them for one year and those guys want multiple years. They want flexibility next offseason. They want to be big players next offseason.

Says it’s likely the Jays like what they have to start the season and save the money they have and use it to trade for a better pitcher at the deadline.

Says they need to build these starters up. Even without injury or performance related issues, they expect the Jays to use 8-9+ starters before the deadline on purpose.

They want to give their depth pitchers like Hatch, Kay, Thornton and Zeuch a shot at pitching. If they are great they keep them, if they are good they use them as trade bait at the deadline.

They said there are teams like San Fransisco have no shot at the playoffs with the Dodgers and Padres in their division. So they might be motivated to trade earlier in the year.

They use Gausman as an example. The Jays went after him twice in the last two off-seasons and he wouldn’t take their money. So they would force him to play for us via trade.

It's the right move. We shouldn't commit major dollars to mid-level starters with risk of injury.

We have SO many arms. Any or all of them could rise to the level of Odorizzi or Walker.

Play your assets. Promote your assets. Let internal competition spur their value on our team and in the league.

 

[phillipmike]

It's the right move. We shouldn't commit major dollars to mid-level starters with risk of injury.

We have SO many arms. Any or all of them could rise to the level of Odorizzi or Walker.

Play your assets. Promote your assets. Let internal competition spur their value on our team and in the league.

Yeah i wish for an upgrade but im not ready to commit more than a year. Id gladly take any remaining starter on a 1 year deal. But if not, no real loss.

Play the season, see who hits and if you need an arm, make a trade. Plus you have so many minor leaguers in A ball on the cusp of becoming huge assets just by maintaining their 2019 and 2020 seasons/play in 2021. They will be promoted to AA and/or AAA and you potentially have Patino type prospects you can deal for a Cy Young candidate with multiple years of control.

These players are expected to perform and if they do while being promoted to AA ball, you could have 7-8 blue chip prospects in AA or higher;

-Martin
-Groshans
-SWR
-Manoah
-Kirk
-Moreno

-Martinez
-Hiraldo

Thats unreal value and teams that are selling, will be calling you.

There is value in waiting if the remaining top guys want multiple years. Id still be interested in a Porcello or Leake on a 1 year deal if we cant get Odroizzi or Walker.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[BigBlu]

That’s another name that needs a shot to be honest. If we traded Kendall Williams but don’t give Ross Stripling a shot, then what the heck were we doing?

 

[SDig14]

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Bjindaho]

Stripling with Toronto was basically the same pitcher as that.

He inexplicably changed his repertoire in the 1st half of 2020, which is arguably what made him available.

 

[Ronald Ocean]

14 years and that much money for a guy whos played 143 games is just such an unnecessary pointless risk imo.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

14 years and that much money for a guy whos played 143 games is just such an unnecessary pointless risk imo.

yeah my thoughts exactly. most guys that get that kind of payday have proven themselves over 5-6 seasons . not just slightly over 1 season

 

[Muston Atthews]

The Patrick Mahomes special

 

[xtra]

14 years and that much money for a guy whos played 143 games is just such an unnecessary pointless risk imo.

I was trying to think who’s gonna be the one regretting that deal in 10 years. The Padres or tatis cause he gave up so many years

 

[Suntouchable13]

14 years is just silly, no matter who the player is. I guess these GMs and owners just don't learn.