Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season IV: Off-season progression! (Lockout over: Jays acquire Chapman for 4 prospects!)
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Choosing one’s playoff opponent is completely lame.
But glad progress is being made.
But glad progress is being made.
Man i'm still not in favor of the 6 team playoff stuff.
How often do you get a situation where multiple teams that you can say legit deserved to be there miss? Sure Jays/Mariners fans got kinda hosed but at the same time the cynical side of me would argue that those teams should have also taken care of business against the Tigers and Angels respectively down the stretch if they really deserved to be there.
Meanwhile you look at the NL where a 6 team system puts a very mediocre Cincy team in at 83-79
During the shortened season i understood, but now? nah. Not to mention you almost assuredly have to put in some type of bye system to even out the rounds and baseball is probably the last sport where i want a good team sitting for a week between the end of the season and their first postseason game
If anything you expand the wild card game to a best of 3 and call it a day there.
Joc Peterson sums it up nicely
How often do you get a situation where multiple teams that you can say legit deserved to be there miss? Sure Jays/Mariners fans got kinda hosed but at the same time the cynical side of me would argue that those teams should have also taken care of business against the Tigers and Angels respectively down the stretch if they really deserved to be there.
Meanwhile you look at the NL where a 6 team system puts a very mediocre Cincy team in at 83-79
During the shortened season i understood, but now? nah. Not to mention you almost assuredly have to put in some type of bye system to even out the rounds and baseball is probably the last sport where i want a good team sitting for a week between the end of the season and their first postseason game
If anything you expand the wild card game to a best of 3 and call it a day there.
Joc Peterson sums it up nicely
Canada4Gold
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Dave Hodge, now there's a sports personality I completely forgot about.
Everyone will love expanded playoffs until their 97 win 2-seed gets knocked out by some 82-80 team.
TheBeastCoast
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It just can not be in a 1 game playoff and it is fine with me. I am okay with more playoff teams simply for the selfish reason that I am a Jays fan and we are in the division we are in. I am okay with being selfish on this one.
To be fair, that kind of stuff has been happening for years. Obviously there would be a greater chance of that happening with more/worse teams in the playoffs, but still...
Morgs
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I mean, by the same reasoning a 1 seed should be able to take out that Cincinnati team relatively easily in a 3 game series.
I don't mind 12 team playoffs. In fact I think I prefer it. Almost every year teams play 162 games a season just to miss out on the 2nd WC spot by a game, or they get a 1 game showdown with most of the time a watered down starter due to you burning your best ones trying to get into the spot. Not to mention it would be a lot more teams actually trying for those final spots.
14 teams I'd get if they wanted to go bye, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5, but I couldn't care less which one they choose.
Probability wise (assuming a ~4% HFA rate) a 100 win team would win a three game series against an 81 win team ~69% of the time (72% if all three games were at the 100 win team's stadium).
Is that a fair tradeoff for winning 19 more games in the regular season, especially when accounting for the specific value of those 19 wins? I don't think its remotely close. Just completely neuters the meaning of the regular season.
Yes I steadfastly remain a 1993-style playoff/league schedule guy but I know we'll never go backwards (although a balanced schedule needed to be implemented yesterday).
Rude Dog
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How many summers were the Jays out by May? I am all for expanding the playoffs. Upsets happen.
An interesting point that I've heard about expanded playoffs is that it gives a greater chance of the game's stars being in the playoffs.
Morgs
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Good post. No it's not a fair tradeoff, but what about how an expanded playoff may cause teams to get their shit together. Instead of fighting for a 1 game series if you're the clear 2nd best team in your division you now have the opportunity to play 3 games.
They need to find a way to make it so teams are less okay with losing. An expanded playoff may make it more likely you get #6 seeds like the Jays instead of ones like Cincinnati.
If a team is out 20% into the season they don't deserve to be playing in the World Series. And if you come in 4th place in a 5 team division you don't deserve it either.
This is one of the few good arguments towards expansion.
IMO teams that want to lose will always lose. Will need to see what the actual playoff looks like - if they do what they did in '20 and have the home team host the entirety of round 1 its a bit more palatable, although I still don't understand how you play 162/187 days and then give a team five days off before they play in the playoffs.
This is where the issue needs to be fixed. Why in the hell does atlanta get a better draft pick then the jays? Playoff teams should not draft higher then teams that miss the playoffs
Ha, I didn't even realize that part. I guess I just assumed playoffs factored into the draft order, and as a Jays fan I've rarely felt the need to look it up to confirm.
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