Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season IV: Off-season progression! (Lockout over: Jays acquire Chapman for 4 prospects!)

[kb]

I think they Jays capitalized on Hoglund's riser status pre-injury led to speculation that he could have been a top-10 pick.

But it's always dicey with TJ surgery. He was noted as being a more of a command over (still good but not elite) stuff guy, and command is usually the last thing to come back post TJS (if ever).

Great prospect and a tough one (but necessary) to give up when you get a piece like Chapman, but ultimately he has very wide range of outcomes - especially if his calling card of command doesn't come back.

 

[kb]

L oh f***ing L

Are you kidding me? This would be all all timer lineup. lol

 

[djdev]

I think they Jays capitalized on Hoglund's riser status pre-injury led to speculation that he could have been a top-10 pick.

But it's always dicey with TJ surgery. He was noted as being a more of a command over (still good but not elite) stuff guy, and command is usually the last thing to come back post TJS (if ever).

Great prospect and a tough one (but necessary) to give up when you get a piece like Chapman, but ultimately he has very wide range of outcomes - especially if his calling card of command doesn't come back.

lol, oakland is begging for another donaldon fiasco with this package, was shocked thats all it took.

 

[ryno23]

I will have to tip my cap to Shatkins. They had a plan and executed it but now the fun part is when the team is struggling to start the season due to having a crappy manager do they pull the trigger on Charlie lol.

What value can the Jays get for Grichuck? Is there a lefty bat with the same money who can play either 2B or 4th outfield? Finding that guy would balance out the line up better

 

[jetsforever]

Love the Chapman move!

 

[Sheppy]

Love the Chapman move!

He's not a big average guy, but I think he's going to rake 30+

Fills the void of Semien to a degree, and a full season of Springer should give the Jays plenty of power in their lineup. Really looking forward to seeing this squad.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Cleveland's asking for the moon and a couple of asteroids in exchange. Buck claimed they wanted Moreno (understandable) and Manoah (absolutely not) for J-Ram.

I just can't see that being in any way attainable since Cleveland has a desire to compete as well.

This is why I'd like to call Arizona and see what's up for Marte as they are and will continue to be a dumpster fire with or without him.

 

[BertCorbeau]

L oh f***ing L

If they can talk them down on the reported price, why the f*** not?

Go for it

 

[Morgs]

Imagine?

8 - Springer
4 - Ramirez
3 - Vlad
9 - Teo
6 - Bichette
7 - Gurriel Jr
5 - Chapman
DH - Kirk
2 - Jansen

 

[phillipmike]

 

[MS]

Nice move.

3 of the 4 assets are closer to age 30 than 20 and weren’t going to play in Toronto. Also clears spots on the 40-man for other moves. Good luck to them in Oakland where all will get a big opportunity.

Would have like to see Hogland healthy and pitching before moving him so we know what’s being lost but you have to give to get.

The big question is whether Chapman is the post-hip injury 3-4 WAR guy or the 2018-19 MVP-level superstar. The price paid is for the former (which means this trade is unlikely to turn out badly) but if he turns back into the latter, look out.

 

[Woodman19]

for me, Pearson, Groshans, Kirk are all in play for Ramirez. Moreno not and Martinez only if we can keep Groshans and limit the impact to one other high end prospect.

 

[Jozay]

Wow that'd be crazy if they pulled off Ramirez too.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Good, draft pitching, it's what they need the most.

We need good players. Hitters or pitchers do not care.

 

[Blitzkrug]

There's definitely no harm in trying but I don't think the Jays will be able to talk them down.

Cleveland, unlike other cheapass franchises seems to understand what they have in their asset.

Because I love having my dreams shattered; let's just imagine having Ramirez in that lineup because daaaaaamn it's looking kinda thicc.

 

[inthe6ix]

might cost us orelvis, pearson and biggio for that to happen

 

[Emerica]

jesus

 

[theaub]

Cleveland's asking for the moon and a couple of asteroids in exchange. Buck claimed they wanted Moreno (understandable) and Manoah (absolutely not) for J-Ram.

I just can't see that being in any way attainable since Cleveland has a desire to compete as well.

This is why I'd like to call Arizona and see what's up for Marte as they are and will continue to be a dumpster fire with or without him.

Marte would be fantastic...the absolute lack of smoke around him is a bit weird.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

If you're going to go all in...might as well go in at all costs.

 

[Woodman19]

Marte would be fantastic...the absolute lack of smoke around him is a bit weird.

If Guriel went out in a hypothetical Ramirez trade I would love to sign Marte to fill that void and bring in a pair of switch hitters in that sequence of moves. Would be as close to a perfect 1-9 lineup as I could ever dream of seeing.

 

[Apex Predator]

What’s everyone’s opinion on Pearson? Would you be willing to move him to help improve the roster right now?

 

[Woodman19]

What’s everyone’s opinion on Pearson? Would you be willing to move him to help improve the roster right now?

Hes battled injuries and his window of reaching his ceiling is declining. With Manoah breaking in last year and acquiring Berrios, its really lowered the need for Pearson to be "the guy". If Pearson has enough value still to entice a more sure bet like Ramirez then to me its a no brainer that you can move someone you aren't counting on and has some question marks hanging over his head even though he could still become a gem.

 

[Amadeus]

I don't think the Guardians will trade Jose Ramirez right now just to see how their roster performs. This may be an in-season deal depending on where the Guardians find themselves in the standing mid-year. With the increased playoff teams, you have to think teams will become a little conservative about trading assets because you never know, you might just get in.

 

[Ale Brew]

What’s everyone’s opinion on Pearson? Would you be willing to move him to help improve the roster right now?

Depends on the return of course.

In a deal for JRam? Yup, I’d include him, but probably not alongside Moreno.

I still have hope Pearson develops into at least a backend BP arm.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Ramirez

To Cleveland-
Pearson
Gurriel
Groshans

That's the most I'm willing to let go for Ramirez. Gives Cleveland 2 great roster players and a great 3B/SS prospect who's very close to MLB ready.

And like others have said, if Gurriel goes out in the trade. You go out and sign Marte to replace him.