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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season III: Ray/Semien out, Gausman in. Jays linked to everyone. Labor strife happening.

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Bjindaho said:
There's a prevailing opinion from the media that the owners are okay with the lockout eating into a part of the season (say one or two months) so long as they get summer baseball in season and a playoff.
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The one sticking point will be team control. Owners have been messing around with players for a long time. I see that as the biggest hurdle. Missing any games means less money for everyone.
 
phillipmike said:
Barker says Freddie Freeman already decided what he is going to do but just hasn’t announced it

Barker says he has no insights. But he suspects Braves offered him a 5 year deal and won’t go to 6 years and the $180M Freddie wants.

Barker says the Braves may feel they got lucky with a WS. They have a young team and now is the perfect time to move forward with the young core. They don’t feel they need to commit to Freddie long term because they got their WS. Perhaps they want Acuna to be their face and just sign another 1B at a cheaper rate like Rizzo.

Barker says his sources say Vladdy always wanted to play 3B since coming into the system. His focus shifted this season to be the best 1B defensively and offensive in the game in season to help the Jays get to the playoffs and win the WS. But as he gets fitter, he may want to go back to 3B. Espinal is a good backup plan if Vladdy fails at 3B.
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If Vladdy and the jays feel he can even be average at 3rd and Freeman wants to come here, its gotta be mighty tempting for Shatkins. I still don't see it happening but man would that lineup be stacked.
 
Man Bear Pig said:
If Vladdy and the jays feel he can even be average at 3rd and Freeman wants to come here, its gotta be mighty tempting for Shatkins. I still don't see it happening but man would that lineup be stacked.
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I just don't see it happening because if Vladdy at 3rd fails again then you have no other options besides Vladdy/Freeman sharing the DH for the foreseeable future and everything about management points towards them liking flexibility and the ability to use the DH to move people around and give guys "half days off". They would be betting that it works or they totally paint themselves into a corner. I just don't see it.
 
phillipmike said:


Stay tuned, im going to make dinner then possibly take a shower 7pm, so expect a deal then.
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Jays have 1 more move coming, Bryant wants to sign before the deadline, and after being in the running for Taylor he suddenly signed back with LA.

Confirmed the Jays are signing Bryant and he's currently on an aircraft somewhere flying to get his physical done and we're keeping it quiet until it's official.
 
kb said:
I agree with the Grichuk idea.

Having said that, perhaps they could structure a Bryant deal heavily front loaded. That will make him more attractive if and when the time comes to move him.

Plus he has the flexibility to play multiple positions.
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If the Jays move Grichuk, who replaces him though? Need a new 4th OF who can play CF.

Pillar is a UFA ;)
 
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Canada4Gold said:
I just don't see it happening because if Vladdy at 3rd fails again then you have no other options besides Vladdy/Freeman sharing the DH for the foreseeable future and everything about management points towards them liking flexibility and the ability to use the DH to move people around and give guys "half days off". They would be betting that it works or they totally paint themselves into a corner. I just don't see it.
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Oh, I don't see it happening either. It would be a massive gamble on what would be a massive contract.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
If the Jays move Grichuk, who replaces him though? Need a new 4th OF who can play CF.

Pillar is a UFA ;)
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Would need to be cheap, be able to fill-in at CF and bat left.

Off the top of my head, Corey Dickerson and Brett Gardner would be two good candidates. Maybe our old friend Dexter Fowler.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
If the Jays move Grichuk, who replaces him though? Need a new 4th OF who can play CF.

Pillar is a UFA ;)
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Conforto who plays everyday and most of the DHing comes from the outfielders. LH bat. Can play CF but hasn't been good at it.
 
I wonder if Gausman has been asked about Bryant and if he has any input regarding if we should sign Bryant or not considering they were just teammates.
 
Wonder if there was a by product of letting Ray and Matz go. Obviously you want to keep them but since they are gone, maybe this further strengthens the Jays case to trade Kirk for say someone like Ramirez.

Matz and Ray pitched much better with Kirk as their catcher than Jansen or McGuire.

Ryu, Berrios and Manoah pitched much better with Jansen as their catcher than Kirk or McGuire.

Jansen - tOPS+:
Berrios (3) - 88
Ryu (19) - 95 (2020 was 107 tOPS+ in 11 starts)
Manoah (3) - 99
Matz (15) - 115
Ray (6) - 122

Kirk- tOPS+:
Manoah (7) - 68
Matz (5) - 69
Ray (17) - 95
Berrios (1) - 268
Ryu (0) - n/a

McGuire - tOPS+:
Matz (10) - 83
Ray (5) - 96
Berrios (8) - 103
Ryu (10) - 105
Manoah (10) - 127

Number of starts are in brackets, the lower the number of tOPS+, the more effective the pitcher was with that catcher.

Small sample size i know, but Kirk doesnt catch Ryu and close to 70% of Kirk' starts came with catching to pitchers that are no longer Blue Jays, Ray and Matz. If he cant catch Ryu and Berrios as they do better with Jansen and McGuire, it could make sense to trade Kirk for a premium asset with Moreno coming up.

Same could be said for McGuire, but we all know he doesnt have much value and he is likely gone when Moreno is ready.
 
Canada4Gold said:
Jays have 1 more move coming, Bryant wants to sign before the deadline, and after being in the running for Taylor he suddenly signed back with LA.

Confirmed the Jays are signing Bryant and he's currently on an aircraft somewhere flying to get his physical done and we're keeping it quiet until it's official.
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Probably just waiting for @phillipmike to shower
 
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