Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season III: Ray/Semien out, Gausman in. Jays linked to everyone. Labor strife happening.

[The Nemesis]

From Fangraphs:

Toronto Blue Jays Top 37 Prospects

 

[phillipmike]

Any suggestions on some good Blue Jays podcasts?

Blair and Barker - Sportsnet.ca

At The Letters | Podcasts - Sportsnet.ca

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[canucksfan]

From Fangraphs:

Toronto Blue Jays Top 37 Prospects

Really high on Jiminez

 

[theaub]

 

[phillipmike]

From Fangraphs:

Toronto Blue Jays Top 37 Prospects

Somewhat low on Groshans, Kloffenstein, and Palmer, and very low on Hiraldo.

They are high on Jimenez, Tiedermann, Logue, and Francis.

Next wave is Moreno, Martinez, Hogund and Groshans. At the moment their is no wave after that until the younger players take big steps like Jimenez, De Castro, Beltre, Machado, Carter and/or Tiedermann.

Next draft will be pretty important with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds at the moment, could be less if we sign QO players which i doubt we do.

 

[Bjindaho]

Looks like a guy with a great profile for non-Yankees teams. Keeping Frazier's criticisms of the Yanks' coaching in mind, you can clearly see where they did literally the same thing with this kid.

Fangraphs had an article the other day that guys with good K/BB rates could be undervalued around baseball and this guy could be someone who fits that mold (so do Espinal FWIW).

 

[phillipmike]

 

[The Nemesis]

He'll fit right in and the Jays will continue their ascent to being the most fun team in baseball.

 

[aingefan]

Really high on Jiminez

He *was* really good last year, but that’s still surprising

 

[phillipmike]

 

[dangomon]

From Fangraphs:

Toronto Blue Jays Top 37 Prospects

Am I going crazy, is Eric Pardinho not in our top 37 prospects anymore? I know his stock has fallen, but that seems too far, no?

 

[Bjindaho]

Am I going crazy, is Eric Pardinho not in our top 37 prospects anymore? I know his stock has fallen, but that seems too far, no?

At the very bottom of the article:

"Spot Start Types
Adrian Hernandez, RHP
Michael Dominguez, RHP
Jeremy Beasley, RHP
Eric Pardinho, RHP
Hernandez is a squat righty with a dandy changeup and a 30-grade fastball, sitting about 90-91. He reached Double-A as a 21-year-old throwing changeups 50% of the time, and could end up like César Valdez, but it’s more likely he’s spot-starting depth given this org’s present needs. Dominguez, also 21, missed a bunch of the year and got Fall League Reps, sitting 90-94 with an average slider and below-average change. Beasley reached the upper levels with Anaheim and had a cup of coffee with Arizona, then came to Toronto and had a four-tick velo spike out of the bullpen, while also reshaping his pitch usage to more heavily feature his slider. Pardinho is a cautionary tale about projectionless amateur prospects, as he’s barely thrown at all since 2018 for a variety of reasons, mostly injury-related."

 

[The Nemesis]

Am I going crazy, is Eric Pardinho not in our top 37 prospects anymore? I know his stock has fallen, but that seems too far, no?

Pardinho's big plus when he was signed was how advanced he was at 16. But here we are 4 and a bit years later and he's thrown less than 100 combined innings, only really moved one notch up the ladder to A ball, hasn't been able to make any meaningful progress in large part thanks to the constant injuries and if I'm not mistaken his velocity is actually down a bit thanks to everything that's happened.

So he's now 22 and he's the same pitcher he was at 16 or worse. How advanced he was at 16 was a boon because it would've meant he could grow quickly and move up the ranks more easily. At 22 that advantage is meaningless because he's now fallen back to the pack or behind it and he has no standout physical tool to hang your hat on in terms of future projection.

 

[The Nemesis]

This is what Fangraphs wrote about Pardinho last year, ranking him 16th and giving him an FV of 40

Famous at 15 thanks to his World Baseball Classic performance, Pardinho later signed with much fanfare, garnering the second largest bonus among his class’ pitching peers, behind only Shohei Ohtani. At that time, he was more present stuff (he was into the mid-90s at the WBC, which is why he went viral) than physical projection, an atypical look for the J2 market. Based on this, Toronto pushed him to an affiliate quickly, and he pitched at Bluefield as a 17-year-old in 2018, his first pro summer. He dealt with injuries throughout 2019 and his stuff was very average, with the fastball resting in the 90-93 range. He had elbow soreness during the spring of that year, pitched in Extended for a while, got to Lansing late, made seven starts, then was shut down in mid-August. His elbow barked at him again last spring and he had Tommy John in mid-February of 2020. What made Pardinho appealing as an amateur — his polish and potential to move quickly — is now gone after the two years impacted by injury, and it’s been a while since his stuff was exciting. What his body and stuff look like coming out of rehab could wildly alter his standing in the prospect landscape in either direction. (TJ rehab)

One year later and he only pitched a couple of innings and remains much the same as he did then, only a year older and starting to fall behind his peers. And given that he's an undersized righty without a marquee pitch or skill, what is there in his profile left to dream on?

 

[phillipmike]

Another forum is doing a vote to eliminate a team a day and the main baseball forum is going after the Jays because the Jays sub-forum coordinated who to vote out (Jays have the biggest fanbase left of the remaining teams). So they are very angry with Jays fans for doing this.

Jays Neck and Neck with Minnesota:


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If you guys want to upset the other fanbases, vote Minnesota so the Jays are the last team standing. If the Jays make it through to the next round, ill send tomorrow's link.

You can vote as many times as you like, as long as you are on a different IP address.

Voting Link: Vote to eliminate one team from MLB | StrawPoll.com

BrewJay Rumble!

Jays made the finals. Vote to eliminate the Brewers.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[as Pure as Evil]

never realized how much the mlb offseason was my winter filler until this holiday season. so bland with out the ruckus and rumors

 

[Eyedea]

From Fangraphs:

Toronto Blue Jays Top 37 Prospects

I never knew how much I needed a Hagen-Hayden shutdown duo in the pen

 

[phillipmike]

I would love a 3.6 WAR season from Ryu. Heck i would even take a 2.5 WAR season from him.

 

[Discoverer]

I would love a 3.6 WAR season from Ryu. Heck i would even take a 2.5 WAR season from him.

It doesn't seem to matter what Teoscar does... projections just see it as flukey and expect huge regression.

 

[phillipmike]

I would love a 3.6 WAR season from Ryu. Heck i would even take a 2.5 WAR season from him.

2022 ZiPS Projections: Toronto Blue Jays

I like the Berrios comparison.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[canucksfan]

Just goes to show that if the Jays get another decent starter and a 3B they have an excellent shot at taking the division.

 

[TGB]

So much of what made Teoscar BAD still seems to be in his game. Raw athleticism and skill is overcoming his weaknesses at the moment, and his...decent outfield play is the result of tons of experimentation, so I fully expect him to fall off a cliff. I'm not surprised he's rated that way. I don't expect it to happen very soon though, or at least not be that dramatic until after he's 30. His contract is kind of perfectly timed in that sense.