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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

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someone on reddit made a comparison to the varsho acqusition and that AA already did it with rasmus. Lol pretty haunting if you look at just the stats.

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Varsho: Career

.234/.306/.432 101 WRC+ 8.6 BB% 24.0 K%

While playing well above average defense and having 4 years of control.

Rasmus: Career

.241/.310/.436 102 WRC+ 8.8 BB% 26.9 K%

While playing above average defence and having 4 years of control.
 
ER89 said:
someone on reddit made a comparison to the varsho acqusition and that AA already did it with rasmus. Lol pretty haunting if you look at just the stats.

Quoting from reddit:

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Varsho: Career

.234/.306/.432 101 WRC+ 8.6 BB% 24.0 K%

While playing well above average defense and having 4 years of control.

Rasmus: Career

.241/.310/.436 102 WRC+ 8.8 BB% 26.9 K%

While playing above average defence and having 4 years of control.
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Those offensive numbers are almost identical, yep.

The defense, though... at the time of the trade, Rasmus had almost 3000 innings and had been a +1 DRS and -5 UZR. Varsho, meanwhile, has half as many innings in the OF and is a +26 DRS and a +26 UZR.

Calling them both "above average" is like saying Espinal and Judge were both "above average" hitters last year.
 
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kb said:
With Cueto apparently signing with the Marlins (huh?), you would have to think that one of their starting pitchers would be on the move now. They have Eury Perez on the horizon too.

I would really check in to see what they want for Trevor Rogers. With the Jays having 4 righty starters (Manoah, Gausman, Berrios, Bassett) all here for the next 3 seasons, I think he could be a fantastic fit as a LH #5 as buy lower candidate. I know the Marlins have more tantalizing arms than him, but he is a lefty arm under team control for the next 4 years, and he would not have to come in pitching like a mid rotation starter - he would just have to be a solid #5. This would raise the floor of the starting rotation.

He is 25 and one season removed from a season that saw him put up 3.5 WAR and 160 ERA+ with a 2.55 FIP. And he would provide insurance in case Berrios struggles again this season. In addition, this would allow Tiedemann more time and would not tempt the Jays into rushing him to the show in the even that neither Kikuchi nor White grab hold of that #5 spot.
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They also have Garrett, Sixto, and Eder, with Meyer probably being more on track to contribute in 2024. It's an embarrassment of riches on the pitching front, but do we line up with them? Their infield looks locked up and I don't think we're in the business to move Kirk (big bat they desperately need) unless Sandy comes back.

Best I can think of is Rogers/Luzardo + Soler/Garcia (salary dump, right side platoon bat) for Biggio + Otto Lopez + 40 FV prospect (maybe Horwitz or Gabriel Martinez?)
 
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Discoverer said:
Those offensive numbers are almost identical, yep.

The defense, though... at the time of the trade, Rasmus had almost 3000 innings and had been a +1 DRS and -5 UZR. Varsho, meanwhile, has half as many innings in the OF and is a +26 DRS and a +26 UZR.

Calling them both "above average" is like saying Espinal and Judge were both "above average" hitters last year.
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i hear that.

I do wonder though about rasmus - the dude had all the talent in the world and his swing was probably one of the best i've ever seen on the jays. Too bad he didn't pan out as well as we'd have liked.
 
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Eyedea said:
They also have Garrett, Sixto, and Eder, with Meyer probably being more on track to contribute in 2024. It's an embarrassment of riches on the pitching front, but do we line up with them? Their infield looks locked up and I don't think we're in the business to move Kirk (big bat they desperately need) unless Sandy comes back.

Best I can think of is Rogers/Luzardo + Soler/Garcia (salary dump, right side platoon bat) for Biggio + Otto Lopez + 40 FV prospect (maybe Horwitz or Gabriel Martinez?)
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That's exactly the type of trade I would be looking at.

Jays get a RH OF bat that has underperformed. Much prefer Soler as he is a one year commitment (with an option, but he'll decline it if he's not getting AB's). Plus Miami would be grateful for no retention.....lol

Maybe it's because I am not aware of their minor league prospects, but I'm not sold on the Marlins infield being locked up - the right side yes....but the left side has questions with Anderson not playing well in awhile, plus Rojas and Segura entering their age 34 and 33 seasons respectively. Heck, I might even be tempted to cash in on one of Orelvis or Barger (or even Tucker Toman) in the deal if that it what it takes - all 3 have the same path to playing time with Bo here (unless Bo moves to 2nd).

Other players you would have to consider in any deal is Pearson and Zulueta.....their path to MLB is most likely in relief if they stay with the Jays. Rogers is a year younger than Nate, and is only 2 months older than Zulueta. I'd hate to lose Zulu, but......
 
Blitzkrug said:
I'm going to laugh if after all of this nonsense Correa pops up back in Minnesota.

The Giants caught a ton of heat (even from me) on how they proceeded but it now looks like they were correct in doing so.
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Dr.Funk said:
This reeks of Boras using the Twins to pressure the Mets.
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Welp, Rosenthal is reporting the twins have a deal with him. Though it includes 2 little words that mean the world right now: "pending physical"
 
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The Nemesis said:
Welp, Rosenthal is reporting the twins have a deal with him. Though it includes 2 little words that mean the world right now: "pending physical"
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You know what? Good for the Twins. They got themselves a star to build around long term...even if it was in the most ass backwards, convoluted way possible.

There's obviously something in that physical if he went from 13/350 all the way down to 6/200.
 
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6/200 would still be a great deal for both sides. Even if those options don't vest he can retire in his mid 30s with a boatload of cash or ring chase while the Twins don't have to sit on dead salary for half a decade.
 
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Reeks of cheapening out. Thompson was DFA'd by the Pirates recently if one can imagine that.

Odd that it wasn't someone like Hatch or Thornton DFA'd. Unless they think Fernandez is more likely to clear?
 
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ER89 said:
someone on reddit made a comparison to the varsho acqusition and that AA already did it with rasmus. Lol pretty haunting if you look at just the stats.

Quoting from reddit:

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Varsho: Career

.234/.306/.432 101 WRC+ 8.6 BB% 24.0 K%

While playing well above average defense and having 4 years of control.

Rasmus: Career

.241/.310/.436 102 WRC+ 8.8 BB% 26.9 K%

While playing above average defence and having 4 years of control.
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How long before MORENO wins a Batting Title
 
kb said:
Reeks of cheapening out. Thompson was DFA'd by the Pirates recently if one can imagine that.

Odd that it wasn't someone like Hatch or Thornton DFA'd. Unless they think Fernandez is more likely to clear?
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They still need to DFA someone like that to make room for Belt, so it'll probably end up being both. Thompson isn't very good, but he does improves the starting depth, and right now he'll be something like 8th on the depth chart.
 
kb said:
Reeks of cheapening out. Thompson was DFA'd by the Pirates recently if one can imagine that.

Odd that it wasn't someone like Hatch or Thornton DFA'd. Unless they think Fernandez is more likely to clear?
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They likely knew when they claimed Fernandez that they would just DFA and waive him later in hopes that he would clear. The same path as Payamps a couple years ago. It made their 40 man full when they were looking for bench FAs.

Depth is good. Thompson was bad last year but has options and is a starter, all our 40 man pitching depth seemed to be relievers.
 
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kb said:
Well, he was DFA'd by the Pirates.

The Jays need to raise their floor, not lower it
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It cost literally nothing (a 35+ FV guy on Fangraphs) for a pitcher who probably won't start a game for us, but can in the event of an injury cascade.
 
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stickty111 said:
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He was hitting 96 in relief, had a pretty elite cutter in 2021.
kb said:
Reeks of cheapening out. Thompson was DFA'd by the Pirates recently if one can imagine that.

Odd that it wasn't someone like Hatch or Thornton DFA'd. Unless they think Fernandez is more likely to clear?
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He was for sure going to get claimed based off his 2021 season alone. Plus the Pirates have some youth depth with like 7 other decent SPs at the AAA level.
 
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