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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

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Eyedea said:
They ended up being similar value in 2022, the Jays saved 5m for 2023, and they got an intriguing middle IF prospect in Adrian Pinto. Unless Grichuk goes berserk in 2023 that's a clear win for the Jays.
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My frustrations stem from them parting with Grichuk and failing to find a meaningful upgrade for him, Pinto is an interesting piece but the FO used the acquisition of Tapia as a reason to not bring in a 4 OF that could contribute offensively or defensively. Unless they subscribed to that "If you can just make Tapia hit more line drives, he'll blow up offensively" theory that was going around twitter at one point.

Even though he did not fair well in Coors this year, Grichuk was statistically and aesthetically a better fielder at the point of the trade as well. I imagine his numbers would have probably reflected closer to that if he was still at the Rogers Centre covering less ground.

It was at best a lateral move for a win now team that featured a nice prospect, at worst it was a cheap band-aid that hurt them early on.
 
ER89 said:
did you expect any better though? ;)

Edit: Also @Discoverer , wanted your take on our current lineup purely offensively.

I think it's worse than last year by a small margin but do we think varsho can take a next step to plug that? Also where would you slot jansen in the order?
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Definitely worse offensively, though I would agree Varsho has the upside to balance some of that out. I think they more than make up for it with the ridiculous defensive improvements and a big pen addition in Swanson. If they add the lefty-masher we're all hoping they find, I think the overall offense will be similar to last year and the team as a whole will clearly be better.

Here's what I think is a fascinating comparison:

Player A - 7.8 BB%, 24.5 K%, .235/.302/.443, .207 ISO, 106 wRC+
Player B - 7.8 BB%, 31.2 K%, .239/.302/.468, .229 ISO, 106 wRC+
 
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Hoverhand said:
My frustrations stem from them parting with Grichuk and failing to find a meaningful upgrade for him, Pinto is an interesting piece but the FO used the acquisition of Tapia as a reason to not bring in a 4 OF that could contribute offensively or defensively. Unless they subscribed to that "If you can just make Tapia hit more line drives, he'll blow up offensively" theory that was going around twitter at one point.

Even though he did not fair well in Coors this year, Grichuk was statistically and aesthetically a better fielder at the point of the trade as well. I imagine his numbers would have probably reflected closer to that if he was still at the Rogers Centre covering less ground.

It was at best a lateral move for a win now team that featured a nice prospect, at worst it was a cheap band-aid that hurt them early on.
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I don't see how anyone could view this trade as anything other than a positive for the Jays. They made a lateral on-field move and saved money and got a prospect out of it. If you want to critique them for not making a follow-up deal that pushed Tapia down the depth chart or something, that's perfectly fair, but I think it's a completely different issue.

Also, DRS/UZR/OAA had Grichuk as +4/+2/+2 in 2021 compared to Tapia's +8/+4/+2. He definitely wasn't a statistically better defender at the time of the trade.
 
Discoverer said:
Definitely worse offensively, though I would agree Varsho has the upside to balance some of that out. I think they more than make up for it with the ridiculous defensive improvements and a big pen addition in Swanson. If they add the lefty-masher we're all hoping they find, I think the overall offense will be similar to last year and the team as a whole will clearly be better.

Here's what I think is a fascinating comparison:

Player A - 7.8 BB%, 24.5 K%, .235/.302/.443, .207 ISO, 106 wRC+
Player B - 7.8 BB%, 31.2 K%, .239/.302/.468, .229 ISO, 106 wRC+
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That is interesting.

Of course, Varsho is a significantly better defender.
 
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First we had Gabby Moreno + Orevlis Martinez = Gabby Martinez

Now we have Julien Merryweather + Junior Fernandez = Julian Fernandez

I assume this is this years Payamps where we sign an OF in a week and he gets DFA'd again and we hope he clears this time.
 
1st glance junior fernandez has decent enough stats in limited time last year. But how long is he in the 40? Time of year where tons of guys are picked up and then let go a few days later
 
Canada4Gold said:
First we had Gabby Moreno + Orevlis Martinez = Gabby Martinez

Now we have Julien Merryweather + Junior Fernandez = Julian Fernandez

I assume this is this years Payamps where we sign an OF in a week and he gets DFA'd again and we hope he clears this time.
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It would be nice to find a Junior Merryweather to complete the set.
 
Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that Boras engaged at least one other team regarding Correa this afternoon.
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Boras: "deal contingent on no physical" :sarcasm:
 
Discoverer said:
I don't see how anyone could view this trade as anything other than a positive for the Jays. They made a lateral on-field move and saved money and got a prospect out of it. If you want to critique them for not making a follow-up deal that pushed Tapia down the depth chart or something, that's perfectly fair, but I think it's a completely different issue.

Also, DRS/UZR/OAA had Grichuk as +4/+2/+2 in 2021 compared to Tapia's +8/+4/+2. He definitely wasn't a statistically better defender at the time of the trade.
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Plus I think they are saving $5 million in salary this year, which may keep them under the luxury tax threshold.
 
Surely the Jays are in on this Correa thing. Boras loves using us for leverage :sarcasm:

I am kind of curious if this Mets thing falls apart what he ends up getting.

I'm also kind of suspicious in Cohen and how concerned they actually are about his physical. Wouldn't shock me if this was his plan all along. Agree to a deal he never intended to stick to "pending physical", look for whatever the Giants found in the physical, say they're concerned about it knowing Correa wouldn't really have much recourse since if 2 teams found the same issue in his medicals it would scare a lot of other teams off at a big number and then Cohen could use that as leverage to either get the big number down or get a bunch of contract language in there that benefits them for injury protection.
 
Canada4Gold said:
Surely the Jays are in on this Correa thing. Boras loves using us for leverage :sarcasm:

I am kind of curious if this Mets thing falls apart what he ends up getting.

I'm also kind of suspicious in Cohen and how concerned they actually are about his physical. Wouldn't shock me if this was his plan all along. Agree to a deal he never intended to stick to "pending physical", look for whatever the Giants found in the physical, say they're concerned about it knowing Correa wouldn't really have much recourse since if 2 teams found the same issue in his medicals it would scare a lot of other teams off at a big number and then Cohen could use that as leverage to either get the big number down or get a bunch of contract language in there that benefits them for injury protection.
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Really doubtful the Jays are in on CC. We’re already up against the CBT, have the IF covered very well, an tend to be a risk averse organization. Fun thought, but super unlikely.
 
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The Iceman said:
fast forward 24 hours...Ooooooopsie


Cleveland's schedule has been embarrasingly easy in that division. Lets see how they do competing with the big boys.
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THEY kicked our asses in head to head their young Pictures dominated our highly paid failures
 
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habamillions said:
1st glance junior fernandez has decent enough stats in limited time last year. But how long is he in the 40? Time of year where tons of guys are picked up and then let go a few days later
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His WHIP was atrocious. He gave 35 BB in only 54 innings in career. He had 12BB in 18 innings last year.
 


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Hutch logged over 100 innings for the Tigers last year. I think he may be added SP depth. Stash him in AAA and hopefully he’s not needed.
 
Paul Fry was also a decent lefty out of the pen for the O’s a few years back. No idea what happened to him or if he has anything left (pun intended), but worth a look.
 
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