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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

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Da Cool Rula said:
This has been an ongoing rumor for sure. Can I dream about Cueto and Hendricks coming? Or just wishful thinking.
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I know im in the minority here but i wouldnt mind Cueto. Good player that will help the team. Before the 2021 season many posters here said the Jays needed to add at least one more starter for depth. I disagreed and as the season went on, they were right and the Jays could have used one more. So i wont disagree now, dont stop here go get one more starter to push White and Kikuchi to the pen. Cueto would be perfect. Need a guy to raise the floor. Wacha is another arm.

Even if you grab an arm like Miley, Duffy, Minor, Grienke, Weaver, Bundy etc. to be your #5/6 you really are providing the team with insurances until Ryu is ready or if a top 4 starter gets hurt or if Kikuchi or White cant bounce back.

I think Hendriks is a long shot imo. I think there are legs to the rumors where the Jays want him. But i cant see the Sox trading the reliever with the best fWAR in 2022 in their contention window unless they are getting someone great back like Jansen. With Moreno gone, i cant see them moving Jansen. There is also a slim possibility they need to clear money. So if they want to trade Hendriks and someone else like Lynn, then im all ears.

 
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CBT Between $233MM and $253MM

The Phillies, Braves and Blue Jays are currently in this group, with the Phils ahead of the other two at $251MM. The Phillies also paid the tax in 2022, setting them up to be a second-time payor. That means they are currently set to be taxed at a 30% rate, with that rate jumping to 42% for spending that goes over the $253MM line.

Both the Braves and Blue Jays would be paying the tax for the first time in their respective histories, putting them each in line for a 20% tax rate on spending over the line. The Jays are only a hair over right now, with Roster Resource calculating their number at $233.2MM, with Atlanta at $240MM.
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Blue Jays: Yosver Zulueta, RHP (No. 5)
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The 6ix said:
The Jays want some heat in the bullpen, don't they?

This one can't hurt.
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He is probably not going to crack their bullpen, and you need more than just heat. Otherwise Merryweather would have been much better than he was.

Just gives another option in case of underperformance or injury mid-season, and is a Merryweather replacement on the depth chart since he is probably out of the organization before the start of the season.
 
Haringoth said:
Merryweather was very good, he just had the worst injury bug this side of Tulowitzki. That opening day save against the Yankees a few years back is one of the most dominant outings I can remember.
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Makes you wonder what he could be if he ditched the 4S for a 2S/sinker to help tunnel the slider even more, especially because the 4S is atrocious. One of the most batting practice pitches in the entire league and it's probably not good that he throws it 51.6% of the time.
 
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Wouldn't take Fernandez's PCL and MLB stats at face value but having only 7 strikeouts in 16 innings in winter ball is bad. Maybe he's testing new grips because outside of some good FB velo/spin rates his offspeed stuff looks like it needs refining. If we could just combine the two Julian's then maybe we get a decent late inning reliever.
 
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phillipmike said:
I know im in the minority here but i wouldnt mind Cueto. Good player that will help the team. Before the 2021 season many posters here said the Jays needed to add at least one more starter for depth. I disagreed and as the season went on, they were right and the Jays could have used one more. So i wont disagree now, dont stop here go get one more starter to push White and Kikuchi to the pen. Cueto would be perfect. Need a guy to raise the floor. Wacha is another arm.

Even if you grab an arm like Miley, Duffy, Minor, Grienke, Weaver, Bundy etc. to be your #5/6 you really are providing the team with insurances until Ryu is ready or if a top 4 starter gets hurt or if Kikuchi or White cant bounce back.

I think Hendriks is a long shot imo. I think there are legs to the rumors where the Jays want him. But i cant see the Sox trading the reliever with the best fWAR in 2022 in their contention window unless they are getting someone great back like Jansen. With Moreno gone, i cant see them moving Jansen. There is also a slim possibility they need to clear money. So if they want to trade Hendriks and someone else like Lynn, then im all ears.

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Nice share. Hope they sign one of them. Though luxury tax is definitely an issue.

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Makes you wonder what he could be if he ditched the 4S for a 2S/sinker to help tunnel the slider even more, especially because the 4S is atrocious. One of the most batting practice pitches in the entire league and it's probably not good that he throws it 51.6% of the time.
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I'm just trying to figure out what happened to him. Was it the beginning of 2021 where he was so dominant and then he got hurt(again) and was never the same after that.
 
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Da Cool Rula said:
Nice share. Hope they sign one of them. Though luxury tax is definitely an issue.


I'm just trying to figure out what happened to him. Was it the beginning of 2021 where he was so dominant and then he got hurt(again) and was never the same after that.
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He was great in the short stint in 2020/early 2021, but as soon as batters realized his fastball has no movement it stopped being a pitch to fear and instead the pitch to sit on. He's never thrown it less than 51% of the time in his career too, so each player knows they're likely going to get multiple BP fastballs an AB.
 
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Morgs said:
He was great in the short stint in 2020/early 2021, but as soon as batters realized his fastball has no movement it stopped being a pitch to fear and instead the pitch to sit on. He's never thrown it less than 51% of the time in his career too, so each player knows they're likely going to get multiple BP fastballs an AB.
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It's also worth noting that in that amazing 4.1 inning stretch he had, he was peppering fastballs in at 100 and 101. Maybe the success still wasn't sustainable but fastballs with no movement at 101 are a lot different than fastballs with no movement at 96.
 
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I’m biased but this game was better.



It wasn’t decided by a fluke ball and collision. It was a no doubter.



Houston was up 6-2 and then 7-3 in the 7th after chasing Verlander. Then 7-5 in the 9th they bring Robbie Ray in with 2 on and 2 outs vs Yordan and he hits a walk off 3 run shot to win 8-7.

Removing Gausman for Mayza may have been questioned. But this was an all time dumb decision;



Schneider used his 3 best relievers in Garcia, Bass and Romano after the Mayza move. Servais pulled Gilbert after 84 pitches then put in Ray who is a career worst vs the Astros.
 
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