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I was thinking 3.5 and 6.5 for the last 2 arb years and then 3 x 10 tacked on top. 40/5 total.
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I was thinking 3.5 and 6.5 for the last 2 arb years and then 3 x 10 tacked on top. 40/5 total.
Without looking at any other comps, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking, maybe with one more year to make it 6/50. Maybe you can get it a bit lower because of the injury risk, but somewhere in that range feels reasonable.
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Bichette: "Nice homer, Vladdy."
Guerrero: "Mr. Bichette, we should continue this discussion during designated non-work periods so as not to distract from the efficient performance of our duties."
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Actually, I think that would be very entertaining to watch.
How painfully boring can they act in the dugout. Play up the irony.
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If Kirk repeats last year’s performance in 2023, I would offer him the same contract and he should take it. Please.
Another great signing by AA. Just amazing.
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I wouldn't really understand trading Espinal at this point. You'd essentially be relying on Barger or some other minor leaguer as your backup SS/3B. Unless someone else was brought in I guess but then I don't see the point.
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I’d think the Jays would sign a stop gap until Barger or Orelvis is ready.
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For the record, I don’t think the Jays want to but to me it sounds like Hendriks is available and the White Sox need a 2B. I’m sure a potential deal isn’t done because the Jays wouldn’t want to trade Espinal either but considering the need of a pen arm and the pieces of Merrifield, Biggio and even Lopez in place, it might be worth it. Biggio or Lopez wouldn’t get the deal done and I refuse to believe these Kikuchi for Hendriks rumors. The Sox can’t be that dumb.
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I'm somewhat surprised Biggio is still kicking around anyway. Fangraphs likes his defence a lot but it's hard to make up for the fact that he's not that much better than Espinal and Merrifield against RHPs.
Barger had a .973 OPS against righties across three levels last year. If he makes the team out of camp, Biggio is probably going to riding a lot of bench for a backup IF that can't play SS.
Barger had a .973 OPS against righties across three levels last year. If he makes the team out of camp, Biggio is probably going to riding a lot of bench for a backup IF that can't play SS.
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Kirk isnt a free agent until 2027 but I am down to try and lock him up as he can always be a DH if he cant handle catching in the future
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I would prefer to wait out those 6 years of control and see how the body holds up. No reason to rush to lock everyone up when your a larger market team that can pay to the tax threshold.
I thought Bo was moving to 2nd base next year??????????? Espy i think is starting SS .. Bo has led majors in errors and fielding past 3 years .. someone said his errors led to 12 games lost as a result of just his throws to 1st base
Nope. Not happening, and I doubt the 12 games is an actual stat.
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I’d be fine with it.
They have moved out a lot of personnel this off-season to improve team D to only let Bichette stick at SS. If they want to give him 40 games, fine. But I think if his errors continue they have to pull the trigger on a move to 2B before the second half starts imo.
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I'm so torn still on this off-season. It seems like a bunch of good moves surrounded by a bunch of ... "is that it?" I know most people here are Leafs fans, but I'm a Habs fan. It reminds me when we signed Carey Price LONG TERM and Bergevin said "We're going for it!" even though we knew his contract would be bad in the back half... but he followed that up by playing hardball with Radulov and losing him. And then letting Markov walk without signing a replacement. This year's Jay's off-season reminds me of that.
* Teo trade was solid. No real complaints here. We needed a bullpen arm. And Adam Macko has some Canadian history going to school in Alberta. He's potentially the 2nd MLB pitcher (someday) to pitch in the Majors from Slovakia. Hopefully he's as good as his predecessor. Jack Quinn, the only Slovakian pitcher in MLB history, pitched 23 years in the big leagues. Macko is still gaining velocity from reports, so that's great to hear considering he's already averaging a 95mph fastball.
* The Varsho trade is excellent. Would I have rather traded Janssen? Yes, of course. But I don't think we were getting Varsho for Janssen + Lourdes, at least not with including another prospect. It had to be Kirk or Moreno. Kirk is Manoah's catcher, so you kind of just default to the prospect in Moreno.
* Kiermaier signing was excellent. Low risk with it only being one year. Still a very good defensive player when healthy. But this is where the issues start... WHEN HEALTHLY. He's played 9 years in the big leagues and only played 130 (or more) games once in his career. 4 of those seasons he hasn't even his 100 games. If that was our only injury risk, it wouldn't be a huge deal. But....
* George Springer's health. Even though he was relatively healthy last year, he still missed multiple games at different times. And he got hurt during the most important game in this teams recent history. Now, I know that's cause Bo wasn't thinking, but still. The two seasons prior, he was hurt for increasingly extended periods of time.
So ... this puts me at a strange feeling. If healthy? I think we're a much better team walking through the door than last year. However, you're asking a lot from two players who have had healthy seasons at a 50% clip in the last 6 years... it's pretty scary.
Yes, I know we have Cavan Biggio. He's a slightly above average fielder. And we also have Merrifeld, who is a below average fielder. But that doesn't scream confidence to me - and I like both of those players! Thankfully, Varsho can move to CF if both Springer and Kiermaier end up injured, but I just don't like heading into the season with so this kind of question mark.
I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we offered a similar deal that Kiermaier got to Jurickson Profar. He opted out of his contract with the Padres which would have paid him $7.5M with a mutual option for $10M next year. I think if we guaranteed that, he'd likely sign. 2 years, $18M. It gives us another option for DH as well. Profar is a below average fielder, so he'd be DHing mostly and just giving us OF coverage if needed. Biggio is good enough defensively to replace Profar late-game in those situations.
* Teo trade was solid. No real complaints here. We needed a bullpen arm. And Adam Macko has some Canadian history going to school in Alberta. He's potentially the 2nd MLB pitcher (someday) to pitch in the Majors from Slovakia. Hopefully he's as good as his predecessor. Jack Quinn, the only Slovakian pitcher in MLB history, pitched 23 years in the big leagues. Macko is still gaining velocity from reports, so that's great to hear considering he's already averaging a 95mph fastball.
* The Varsho trade is excellent. Would I have rather traded Janssen? Yes, of course. But I don't think we were getting Varsho for Janssen + Lourdes, at least not with including another prospect. It had to be Kirk or Moreno. Kirk is Manoah's catcher, so you kind of just default to the prospect in Moreno.
* Kiermaier signing was excellent. Low risk with it only being one year. Still a very good defensive player when healthy. But this is where the issues start... WHEN HEALTHLY. He's played 9 years in the big leagues and only played 130 (or more) games once in his career. 4 of those seasons he hasn't even his 100 games. If that was our only injury risk, it wouldn't be a huge deal. But....
* George Springer's health. Even though he was relatively healthy last year, he still missed multiple games at different times. And he got hurt during the most important game in this teams recent history. Now, I know that's cause Bo wasn't thinking, but still. The two seasons prior, he was hurt for increasingly extended periods of time.
So ... this puts me at a strange feeling. If healthy? I think we're a much better team walking through the door than last year. However, you're asking a lot from two players who have had healthy seasons at a 50% clip in the last 6 years... it's pretty scary.
Yes, I know we have Cavan Biggio. He's a slightly above average fielder. And we also have Merrifeld, who is a below average fielder. But that doesn't scream confidence to me - and I like both of those players! Thankfully, Varsho can move to CF if both Springer and Kiermaier end up injured, but I just don't like heading into the season with so this kind of question mark.
I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we offered a similar deal that Kiermaier got to Jurickson Profar. He opted out of his contract with the Padres which would have paid him $7.5M with a mutual option for $10M next year. I think if we guaranteed that, he'd likely sign. 2 years, $18M. It gives us another option for DH as well. Profar is a below average fielder, so he'd be DHing mostly and just giving us OF coverage if needed. Biggio is good enough defensively to replace Profar late-game in those situations.
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