Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Sounds like he has quite a bit of trust in Drury.

Check back in 5 minutes.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Quinn’s a goner no doubt.

Silver lining to this charade

 

[Machinehead]

Having watched the press conference, it seems more like an adjustment than halting the rebuild.

Again, the only thing I don't want to see is Messier involved.

 

[rangers1314]

“Honestly, we have enough talent now to compete for a Stanley Cup,”

A man of breathtaking delusion

So again, just to make sure we’re keeping the bull shit straight, the owner says they should be challenging for a Cup but the New GM and President told us 7 hours ago that there was no mandate or expectation of playoffs this season.

Chaos.

 

[Tob]

That article kind of eases me a bit but at the same time, only further proves that Dolan's an idiot. I feel like the reasons that are cited there are reasons why you blow up the coaching staff, not the management. We have the talent to win the Cup but there was a weakness in the team? Who does that fall on, Jim?

But like I said, it eases me in the sense that as usual he praises Sather and it seems like he's gonna have a more prominent role than he did the past two years. Ideally Drury has final call on everything and runs hockey ops and Glen acts as that buffer to ease Dolan so that he can run the show.

"“What I’m talking about is not just something that happens in the locker room,” Dolan said. “It’s an entire organization that has to be together as a team. It’s everybody from the president, the general manager, the coach, the players, the assistant coaches, the trainers" “Our organization doesn’t have that.”

This is the only part that confuses me. There were factions? Dissent within the organization?

With everything that's happened in the last calendar year: Lundqvist buyout, Fast walk away, Tony DeAngelo's decisive yet ugly sever and then perhaps the more nitty gritty stuff that paints the whole picture, there's been enough opportunities for divide based on philosophy.

Dolan cites watching the games over the last 3 months as his thought process so my guess is Gorton, JD, and Quinn are of one philosophy and Sather plus others in the organization are clearly of another philosophy so Gorton is the root of the problem of not having the other "elements" or playing tougher because he enables Quinn.

 

[17futurecap]

Dolan: We have the talent right now to win a cup right Chris?

Drury:

 

[Anzi]

That article kind of eases me a bit but at the same time, only further proves that Dolan's an idiot. I feel like the reasons that are cited there are reasons why you blow up the coaching staff, not the management. We have the talent to win the Cup but there was a weakness in the team? Who does that fall on, Jim?

But like I said, it eases me in the sense that as usual he praises Sather and it seems like he's gonna have a more prominent role than he did the past two years. Ideally Drury has final call on everything and runs hockey ops and Glen acts as that buffer to ease Dolan so that he can run the show.

I don't think what Quinn has done as our coach is all on him. I'm pretty sure many of his coaching decisions were made with collaboration with Gorton and JD. When fans were calling for Quinn's job the entire season, beat writers have said that Quinn has management's full support and there were no signs that they were considering a change.

 

[mas0764]

So Quinn is definitely gone then.

 

[Tob]

Clearly Dolan's patience and faith in this management unraveled when he saw the team take yet another too many men penalty so he cursed the gods as he muttered "Is there another team in the league that takes as many TMM penalty as we do?"

 

[Draft Guru]

"And when I looked at our organization, I felt that we need to change the whole organization and change the culture."

Sounds to me like John Tortorella will be the next coach of the NYR. His contract is up with Columbus this summer. Torts went to bat for Drury being on the 2010 Olympic team. He's a Torts guy.

Not sure how I feel about it, but I see it happening.

Ryan Callahan will be with this front office too in some capacity. Drury will probably bring him along slowly

 

[mas0764]

“Honestly, we have enough talent now to compete for a Stanley Cup,”

A man of breathtaking delusion

Concerning

 

[rangers1314]

"And when I looked at our organization, I felt that we need to change the whole organization and change the culture."

Sounds to me like John Tortorella will be the next coach of the NYR. His contract is up with Columbus this summer. Torts went to bat for Drury being on the 2010 Olympic team. He's a Torts guy.

Not sure how I feel about it, but I see it happening.

Christ I hope not. Remember Sather fired him after the revolt. I can’t imagine he’d “advise” Drury to go down that road again.

Does the Tochett thing have legs?

 

[mas0764]

Having watched the press conference, it seems more like an adjustment than halting the rebuild.

Again, the only thing I don't want to see is Messier involved.

I am not so sure how I follow the logic that an adjustment required more than a directive from the top at this stage, rather than an a firing overhaul.

Kinda makes me feel again like he just has shiny new toy syndrome with Drury.

 

[Anthony5967]

Everything Jim said I find it hard to disagree with. The front office ices the roster, and for the entire season they’ve been bullied, pushed around, never ready to start a game, rarely giving 60 minutes, and yes, this falls on the coach, and he will be gone after Saturday. The front office you haven’t heard a peep from all year except to berate DeAngelo for showing a rats ***. There is no reason to pursue a slow drip, let me milk everybody’s ELC rebuild. Start adding necessary components. Gorton wanted to wait until they were closer. Gorton did a solid job, but I have total faith in Drury, and all the nuts out there thinking Dolan is running hockey ops in NY are basing this off reputation.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Christ I hope not.

Does the Tochett thing have legs?

I hope not. Not sure who I would rather have less. I guess at least Torts has had really good results in the past and maybe with more skill he would allow the team to have more free reign while still playing within his structure.

 

[will1066]

Concerning

No. It's just owner speak. He needs to spin it in a positive way. He clearly wants Drury at the wheel and Slats to be his hockey whisperer go-between.

 

[Machinehead]

I am not so sure how I follow the logic that an adjustment required more than a directive from the top at this stage, rather than an a firing overhaul.

Kinda makes me feel again like he just has shiny new toy syndrome with Drury.

I just think Dolan had some real beefs with how the season went and JD/Gorts were committed to the young/division/covid narrative.

I don't think either of those are necessarily entirely wrong, I just don't think this is the reactionary move it's being made out to be, at least not yet.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, Torts is absolutely not the guy I would actively try to win the Stanley Cup with, but in terms of taking a collection of talent to being a sanded down contender with an identity, he's honestly really good at that.

I'm just saying. He wouldn't be my choice.

 

[JimmyG89]

“Honestly, we have enough talent now to compete for a Stanley Cup,”

A man of breathtaking delusion

He said talent. You can interpret that anyway you want to, but when it comes to talent, he's not far off. You have a franchise winger, a true 1st line center, young talented players that they don't have space for all of them in an offensive role, a near franchise level defenseman, one of the better rookie goalies around with tons of pro success. Young defensemen that teams covet. Those talents aren't mature, but the skill level is there.

People have said there are things missing, he refers to it as changing the culture. It's attitude. This team doesn't have the attitude of the top teams yet. We all see how they play. The Rangers don't play that style all the time. They do it in spurts.

Who is the leader of this team? Is it Kreider? That's the sense we get. I get the sense with Trouba as well. I'm sure they eventually expect Lafreniere to be that guy. The question becomes are the first two guys they want being the leaders of the team or is that something they need to wait on Lafreniere to become?

I do not doubt that Drury has done the work to be in a spot to be a GM, but you have to think a guy that people consider was a consummate leader when playing is a reason why Dolan would tap him if he believes leadership of the organization is lacking. It's better than going to Messier who has no experience in this capacity.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I mean, Torts is absolutely not the guy I would actively try to win the Stanley Cup with, but in terms of taking a collection of talent to being a sanded down contender with an identity, he's honestly really good at that.

I'm just saying. He wouldn't be my choice.

Yea but this also the same guy trying to make Patrik Laine a power forward. Do we really want him handling the talent we have?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I mean, Torts is absolutely not the guy I would actively try to win the Stanley Cup with, but in terms of taking a collection of talent to being a sanded down contender with an identity, he's honestly really good at that.

I'm just saying. He wouldn't be my choice.

He wouldn't be my top choice either but if you told me he was going to be the coach next season, I would not be surprised.

 

[Kords]

Yeah, Dolan said all the things I wanna hear in that interview. I agree with most of it, I hope it's not BS.

I don't expect him to announce that the "untouchables" are untouchable but a little reassurance on Kakko and Laf would go along way. Fox, Panarin and Igor are obvious atm, but I fear for Kakko/Kravy. That would seriously bum me out, especially Kakko.

 

[Anzi]

The Rangers have a big discrepancy between the analytics and actual performance this season. We've also lost an outlier amount of close games. You can chalk it up to bad luck but I think it is more bad coaching and Gorton/JD enabling it.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Everything Jim said I find it hard to disagree with. The front office ices the roster, and for the entire season they’ve been bullied, pushed around, never ready to start a game, rarely giving 60 minutes, and yes, this falls on the coach, and he will be gone after Saturday. The front office you haven’t heard a peep from all year except to berate DeAngelo for showing a rats ***. There is no reason to pursue a slow drip, let me milk everybody’s ELC rebuild. Start adding necessary components. Gorton wanted to wait until they were closer. Gorton did a solid job, but I have total faith in Drury, and all the nuts out there thinking Dolan is running hockey ops in NY are basing this off reputation.

Not a bad thing to base it on....

 

[Machinehead]

Yea but this also the same guy trying to make Patrik Laine a power forward. Do we really want him handling the talent we have?

Patrik Laine is an idiot who wants to spend his entire career standing still for one-timers. If Laf or Kakko became that I would hope somebody would yell at them.

Granted, I see what you're saying. In general, Torts has had a spotty relationship with skill guys, which is why he hasn't won the big one in awhile.

But I think Gorton's team had his pure skill guys who were limited and his tuff guys who were useless, and they were never the same guys. That's something Torts is capable of developing, and I think Laf and Kakko have the tools to be that.