Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[Siddi]

Enough about him. What about Durant? I’m curious as to why people don’t care that he’s a homophobe.

First and foremost, Durant appologized for his behaviour. Second, people did complain. Its all over the news, hence why he had to publicly appologize.

Also, Durant is an all time great superstar. They unfortunately get away with a lot more shitty stuff.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

First and foremost, Durant appologized for his behaviour. Second, people did complain. Its all over the news, hence why he had to publicly appologize.

Also, Durant is an all time great superstar. They unfortunately get away with a lot more shitty stuff.

This is unfortunately true. Brendan Leipsic is fired for some texts in a private chat, but Auston Matthews is still playing after attacking a woman and subsequently being arrested.

 

[egelband]

That article kind of eases me a bit but at the same time, only further proves that Dolan's an idiot. I feel like the reasons that are cited there are reasons why you blow up the coaching staff, not the management. We have the talent to win the Cup but there was a weakness in the team? Who does that fall on, Jim?

But like I said, it eases me in the sense that as usual he praises Sather and it seems like he's gonna have a more prominent role than he did the past two years. Ideally Drury has final call on everything and runs hockey ops and Glen acts as that buffer to ease Dolan so that he can run the show.

I really think the personnel make the team. A coach can only do so much. Definitely need a good coach but if the team is consistently failing - and I totally believe that’s debatable - it’s the players more than the coach. And the FO assembles the players, at least in this case. So - again, it’s certainly debatable - if you buy into the concept that the team doesn’t have the right parts, the blame falls on the FO.

Personally, I was fine with everything except the softness. And I thought that could be addressed in the off-season, artfully. But if you accept the premise that the team composition is flawed, that’s not the coach’s fault, really.

 

[Larrybiv]

No one cares about ADA and there isn’t some conspiracy against him. He’s gone, thankfully. Hopefully we can stop bringing him up in every thread soon.

Not true. Many people care. YOU DON'T, obviously. Will you be saying these same things for JD and Gorton?

 

[chosen]

[QUOTE="gravey9, post: 177823685, member: 78664"..]I feel like the only reason Drury said yes to the job was because he wanted to protect the work Gorton and JD had done...[/QUOTE]

Drury said yes because he has been waiting for this opportunity.

 

[Pidto Files]

Chris Drury bringing the Cup back to New York, just the way I envisioned it on July 1st, 2007.

It has ruined MANY of my weekends.. Sure I’m not alone..

 

[kovazub94]

I think the concern is that guys like Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, and Strome, who all make big money or will need to be locked down with big money, are in that 28-31 range where you start to get nervous about their play declining. It feels like, with those five at their ages, you maybe have 2-3 years of their primes left; and the guys like Kakko, Lafreniere, and Kravtsov are maybe still a year or two away from their primes. It's almost like you have the young core and the veteran core, and there's some concern about whether they'll all be performing at a high level at the same time.

I know many people have been saying it for a year or two around here, but it never really struck me as a potential problem until about midway through this season. Of course, if those young guys take a big step next year, all is well, at least for a couple season. But if they continue their deliberate development paths, we could run into a situation where when they are truly ready for prime time, the veteran core is in real decline.

Sorry, what does it have to do with Zibanejad, Kreider or Strome?Decision on Zibanejad and Strome is yet to come. Kreider was a mistake with hindsight help that no one had and we’ve seen what happens to the team when it’s vet leadership is thinned.

However the post I was replying specifically mentioned signing Panarin and Trouba two seasons ago as a mistake. Are there any signs that their play will decline? And please let me know who’s available this offseason at their respective levels that the Rangers should have waited/delayed signing for two seasons?

 

[Pidto Files]

One freakin year big deal. And more importantly he acted like a jerk to his team mates and others. Why would anyone want someone like this on their team,,,and the fact is no one did. Back in the early 90s the Yankees had a guy on the team named Mel Hall who had some talent but was a big A hole and bad team mate . He was giving Bernie Wilson a hard time constantly. Well the Yankees got rid of him and the team and clubhouse did a 180 and the rest is history. I don't get why anyone would want a clown like this being on the team even if he has some talent.

YouTube Mel Hall HR trot.. It’s hilarious.. I remember that Doucher!!

 

[haohmaru]

The further removed and less shocked that I am by this, the more I can see it from the owner's perspective. Not saying it's what I would've done but there certainly are reasons.

 

[Blais to Win]

I really think the personnel make the team. A coach can only do so much. Definitely need a good coach but if the team is consistently failing - and I totally believe that’s debatable - it’s the players more than the coach. And the FO assembles the players, at least in this case. So - again, it’s certainly debatable - if you buy into the concept that the team doesn’t have the right parts, the blame falls on the FO.

Personally, I was fine with everything except the softness. And I thought that could be addressed in the off-season, artfully. But if you accept the premise that the team composition is flawed, that’s not the coach’s fault, really.

Not the coach's fault? Why - to a man - do they not finish checks when they dump in? It's the way they're told to play. They pull up, the puck goes around to their end and whichever schmo has to retrieve it gets nailed by the opposition.

They're also told to avoid penalties. They end up taking stick penalties because they don't take the body.

It's all on Quinn.

 

[rangers1314]

YouTube Mel Hall HR trot.. It’s hilarious.. I remember that Doucher!!

Isn't he in jail now?

 

[rangers1314]

Wonder what is going through JD’s head now.

I knew I never should have trusted Dolan, I knew it.

 

[Pidto Files]

That's great. The problem is Messier has never actually built a team.

Come to think of it, other than consult, Messier has less actual track record than David Quinn.

I like Messier. But all of this is based on the assumption that he actually has a plan that will work, which he's never actually revealed or had to put into play.

No different than an HF poster, yet roster building is done EVERY day..

 

[Pidto Files]

Isn't he in jail now?

Yep.. Became a Pidto File..

 

[NYSPORTS]

I knew I never should have trusted Dolan, I knew it.

maybe

i have to think he knows he could have added some power/grit.

some of those Dolan quotes are concerning.

 

[rangers1314]

Yep.. Became a Pidto File..

Wonder if he gets to share a cell with Chad Curtis and John Wettland

 

[Pidto Files]

Wonder if he gets to share a cell with Chad Curtis and John Wettland

Mel Hall is 24th in line to do the MSG 150, he just moved past John Davidson.. Too soon??

 

[rangers1314]

Just thinking about HC's who may be available, what about Travis Green?

 

[Pidto Files]

this breaks my heart. Desperation is embarrassing

Like Babe Ruth looking for a manager job..

 

[Miamipuck]

This one is gonna take some time and work. Everyone was stunned by this, which tells me only two or three people knew.

People within the organization are shitting themselves right now, so that’s gonna make things harder for at least a little bit. But I’ll work at it.

The timing of this sucks because I am right in the middle of a moving process. Sold a house on Saturday, bought one a little after midnight on Wednesday. So I’m a little busy on top of things.

I have a question: How much of this is Sather? Did he slither his way back or was it Dolan that asked for help after his mind was made up to go a different direction (essentially nuking the front office)?
I guess a follow up would be if Sather was called in after the firing decision was essentially made was Drury staying a result of Sather trying to save some assemblage of sanity/continuity within the organization.

Essentially I suppose I am really looking to see what Sathers role in this entire drama actually was. It just doesn't sit right with me that he retired and handed off everything to his boys and blam he's back.

Edit: you probably don't or can't get the answer at the time, the above is just bugging me and I figured what the heck.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

So any new revelations or is it the same bullshit story being reported? That Dolan felt the team underachived.

 

[rangers1314]

So any new revelations or is it the same bullshit story being reported? That Dolan felt the team underachived.

Dolan spoke to brooks yesterday, he said he "saw weakness" within the team.


James Dolan: Chris Drury 'the right guy' to lead the Rangers

 

[tailgunner]

you are all missing the main point of why gorton and jd were fired, yes it is because of the TDA saga. hear me out

Gorton holds a ridiculous press conference saying unnecessarily that TDA has played his last game as a Ranger which effectively destroyed any trade value for TDA
it was a totally unprofessional press conference with JD sitting there like a doofus listening to every word and agreeing with Gorton

well the move backfires because no team has the cap space to trade for TDA and so TDA sits the entire season and his absence hurts the teams production and playoff hopes are eliminated

now Dolan is sitting there writing paychecks and he says to himself "why am I paying TDA 4.8 million per year and the guy is sitting at home and not playing?
plus the teams poor performance results in JD and Gorton being fired.

I said this multiple times on HF boards and got nothing but vile and contempt from posters Edge and True Blue and most everyone else.

what Gorton did was a fireable offense and he deserves it. Good riddance to Gorton and I hope Drury does an excellent job.

 

[Profet]

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you are all missing the main point of why gorton and jd were fired, yes it is because of the TDA saga. hear me out

Gorton holds a ridiculous press conference saying unnecessarily that TDA has played his last game as a Ranger which effectively destroyed any trade value for TDA
it was a totally unprofessional press conference with JD sitting there like a doofus listening to every word and agreeing with Gorton

well the move backfires because no team has the cap space to trade for TDA and so TDA sits the entire season and his absence hurts the teams production and playoff hopes are eliminated

now Dolan is sitting there writing paychecks and he says to himself "why am I paying TDA 4.8 million per year and the guy is sitting at home and not playing?
plus the teams poor performance results in JD and Gorton being fired.

I said this multiple times on HF boards and got nothing but vile and contempt from posters Edge and True Blue and most everyone else.

what Gorton did was a fireable offense and he deserves it. Good riddance to Gorton and I hope Drury does an excellent job.

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</conjecture>

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Just thinking about HC's who may be available, what about Travis Green?

Looking for that 2022 top 3 pick, ey? If so, he's the guy, yes.