Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[Kakko Schmakko]

Just pure speculation on my part, but I think total lack of leadership and unity in the lockerroom wass exposed over the past year.

Another year, no captain, no one to answer the tough questions or take responsibility of the room

Jasper Fast seemed very eager to leave here after spending years in the organization

The ada situation getting ugly right after his resigning

Players starting games unprepared and Quinn looking panicked and perplexed, he was in way over his head

No progress in doing some of of the 'lunch pail' work that needs to be done to be a competitive team. Special teams/faceoffs.

I like a lot that had happened the past few years, but JG being desperate to drag Quinn out of his college gig to be 'the guy' to coach the team and JD willing to stay any course with Quinn made no sense to me, he was outcoached literally every time there was a 'big game' on the line.

Yes, and not just Quinn his assistants had zero NHL coaching experience, it was a disastrous mistake from the start.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Sather seems to have re-emerged from out of nowhere. Could he have been the one whispering in Dolan's ear? Maybe regretting his semi-retirement?

110% He looks good, and he loves giving guys that messed up 2nd chances so DeAngelo has to be back.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Is it far fetched to say that Sather's buddies are now going to be Drury's buddies now?

I would think most of Sather's buddies have all retired by now.

 

[Rempe73]

Im not even that mad about the stanley cup comments because we do have a talented roster, there just something not right about it atm

What article are we talking about here? And what comments? I can’t find it. I’m going to keep scrolling in the meantime.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Not challenging this but in 2021 does a captain really have to be a kick you in the ass type? I mean the Pens made Crosby captain and the Caps made Ovechkin captain, both around what 20? And that was like 15 years ago. If anything I think the league has gotten away from that tough ass style.

if it is such a not a big deal then why couldn't we hand it to somebody for 3 seasons just so it wouldn't stick out like big red flag?

 

[Rempe73]

Right on cue, here we go.

Also @Edge and @FireDavidQuinn stop assuming I’m a troll or that I read hf all day. It’s f***ing annoying when people attribute false motives to me. I was literally working all. Day. I don’t spend all my time on here and I certainly don’t read every post immediately. I simply got on, clicked on my notifications, and responded to what someone said to me. “Right on cue?” Really?

 

[Machinehead]

Also @Edge and @FireDavidQuinn stop assuming I’m a troll or that I read hf all day. It’s f***ing annoying when people attribute false motives to me. I was literally working all. Day. I don’t spend all my time on here and I certainly don’t read every post immediately. I simply got on, clicked on my notifications, and responded to what someone said to me. “Right on cue?” Really?

If it's about ADA, don't. We're begging you. You're otherwise a good poster and every little bit counts.

 

[JCProdigy]

Not challenging this but in 2021 does a captain really have to be a kick you in the ass type? I mean the Pens made Crosby captain and the Caps made Ovechkin captain, both around what 20? And that was like 15 years ago. If anything I think the league has gotten away from that tough ass style.

I don't think they necessarily have to but you mention Crosby and you should look up what Sullivan has had to say about him as a captain/leader. He has been the 'kick you in the ass' type when he's needed to be. What he further said about Crosby is that he knows how to adapt his communication with an individual depending on what best works to get a good response out of them. Honestly those tend to be the best kind of leaders in group settings.

With Ovechkin, he wasn't named captain until age 25, and couldn't it be said that except for the Cup year that the Caps, as a team, have underperformed in the playoffs during his tenure? Since he's been captain, they've finished first in their division 10 out of 13 years (also lead the division this weird year) and have only made the CONFERENCE finals that one time.

 

[Rempe73]

If it's about ADA, don't. We're begging you. You're otherwise a good poster and every little bit counts.

Machinehead thank you, but I said, “enough about ADA,” and then continued with my post. I admit I maybe stepped over the line two nights ago, but I think it was simply a misunderstanding. Ever since the incident, I don’t think I said anything about him other than that. I didn’t even follow any possible updates or read what anyone posted on that thread involving the incident since. And I’m his biggest fan (or at least was). I try hard to be a respectable poster, but it’s not cool when people take things out of context.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think they necessarily have to but you mention Crosby and you should look up what Sullivan has had to say about him as a captain/leader. He has been the 'kick you in the ass' type when he's needed to be. What he further said about Crosby is that he knows how to adapt his communication with an individual depending on what best works to get a good response out of them. Honestly those tend to be the best kind of leaders in group settings.

With Ovechkin, he wasn't named captain until age 25, and couldn't it be said that except for the Cup year that the Caps, as a team, have underperformed in the playoffs during his tenure? Since he's been captain, they've finished first in their division 10 out of 13 years (also lead the division this weird year) and have only made the CONFERENCE finals that one time.

Well he sure isn't Ryan McDonagh as captain, who kept eliminating them.

As far as Crosby is concerned was that at 20?

 

[17futurecap]

Just some stuff from Carp in his postgame wrap:

Since the story I published earlier, I have heard from a conflicting source about whether Dolan was angry at Gorton not making a deadline trade. Indeed, I was told, Gorton came pretty close to making a significant hockey deal, for a legit player, not a rental, but a team backed out.

One more thing … Before the Rangers hired Quinn, they also were interested in Jim Montgomery, who wound up in Dallas instead. A reliable NHL source told me that Montgomery turned down the Rangers (not sure it ever actually got to an offer) because he didn’t trust the Rangers to actually follow through on the promise to rebuild without firing the people running it.

Final thoughts on an unprecedented 4 days for the Rangers

 

[JCProdigy]

Well he sure isn't Ryan McDonagh as captain, who kept eliminating them.

As far as Crosby is concerned was that at 20?

Yep and I bet he grew more comfortable in that role as the years went on.

 

[JCProdigy]

Just some stuff from Carp in his postgame wrap:

A reliable NHL source told me that Montgomery turned down the Rangers (not sure it ever actually got to an offer) because he didn’t trust the Rangers to actually follow through on the promise to rebuild without firing the people running it.

Final thoughts on an unprecedented 4 days for the Rangers

Holy shit! Get that man a drink....wait, no don't. Man now I wanna know that deal: that player and who was going the other way.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Just some stuff from Carp in his postgame wrap:



Final thoughts on an unprecedented 4 days for the Rangers

This doesn't say much at all. My guess it was Mantha, that is why Capitals had to overpay so much for him.

Funny thing is Montgomery got canned long before Quinn. He lasted only 1.5 seasons but had a much better record than Quinn.

 

[17futurecap]

This doesn't say much at all. My guess it was Mantha, that is why Capitals had to overpay so much for him.

Funny thing is Montgomery got canned long before Quinn. He lasted only 1.5 seasons but had a much better record than Quinn.

He got fired because he's an alcoholic.

 

[2014nyr]

great material and a lot of effort but you need paragraphs

sorry, i'm probably in the minority on it and might not be for everyone, but i just find almost all forms formality in writing a waste of time other than punctuation to separate thoughts - just prefer to write free form

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

He got fired because he's an alcoholic.

I know

 

[DanielBrassard]

Just some stuff from Carp in his postgame wrap:



Final thoughts on an unprecedented 4 days for the Rangers

Now that's kind of a surprise. Of all the positions that could have used an upgrade, I have to assume they were looking at a LD at the time, to push Miller down.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I just thought about how much better Staal was than Hajek and how we wouldn't have to trade a 2nd rounder to dump Staal if we had 5+ mil in cap space and how DeAngelo could have easily been traded for a latter half 1st rounder(or at worst an early 2nd rounder) after the last season and we would have traded Hajek at the draft for like a 4th rounder and with Hajek gone Reunanen would have like 50 NHL games under his belt and could have been moved this draft for a 2nd rounder.

So add that up we would have had:

1 extra 1st rounder
2 extra 2nd rounders
1 extra 4th rounder

and we would have had a much better Defense this season possibly resulting in playoff experience.

All because we failed to trade a surplus asset for whatever stupid reason.

 

[bobbop]

I just thought about how much better Staal was than Hajek and how we wouldn't have to trade a 2nd rounder to dump Staal if we had 5+ mil in cap space and how DeAngelo could have easily been traded for a latter half 1st rounder(or at worst an early 2nd rounder) after the last season and we would have traded Hajek at the draft for like a 4th rounder and with Hajek gone Reunanen would have like 50 NHL games under his belt and could have been moved this draft for a 2nd rounder.

So add that up we would have had:

1 extra 1st rounder
2 extra 2nd rounders
1 extra 4th rounder

and we would have had a much better Defense this season possibly resulting in playoff experience.

All because we failed to trade a surplus asset for whatever stupid reason.

If its and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.

 

[egelband]

Slats still holds a lot weight with Dolan. When he comes walking thru the halls in his thousand dollar suits, chomping his stoogie , dick swinging from wall to wall he commands respect. He can’t be happy we are a team of cream puffs

Probably quite true. At least to an extent. The weird thing is I think everyone, even JD, agrees.

I’d really like to know the official timeline of this whole thing.

 

[egelband]

I agree but who ?
Gallant ? Torts and I snap lol

Torts is so interesting. I loved him as coach. I know he has an M-O that definitely doesn’t mesh with what we’re building. But I also remember when he was hired - for the second time, right? - and he was crowing about playing wide open hockey. It didn’t happen of course. But does he have a beautiful songbird in his heart? Could he be the perfect guy here.

Probably not. But I’ve always been a huge Torts fan. (Even when I knew he wasn’t right; letting him go when they did made sense)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Huh?

Pretty impressive that that guy proves your point without realizing it.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

No way in hell we hire Torts.

By the way thinking back to Stepan trade, how does a GM trade away a 50+ point center and replace him with what declining Desharnais? Makes no sense, he basically sabotaged the lineup and then decided it is time to rebuild.

 

[Siddi]

Just some stuff from Carp in his postgame wrap:



Final thoughts on an unprecedented 4 days for the Rangers

Any insight to whom the player might have been? @Edge