Proposal: NYR/ANH
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unicornpig
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HUGE no
Chytil is WAY best and mo important, is a core, foundation piece
There is a deal to be had, and it is Vatrano back to NY, preferably max retained if cost to retain is reasonable.
Last yr, cost was a 4th for a rental which was ridiculous for seller. A 2nd more like it.
Although this thread is for teams and does not specify the players named in thread title, making alternate deals betw these 2 fair game, I will explore that in a thread I will post later today/tom.
You are right on Vatrano but for 50 retained you will have to pony up one of your two firsts....I also agree Rangers should not trade Chytil...
Dr Quincy
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But what does it do for NYR? Forget about value... what is the point?
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I like Comtois but no reason for NYR to do this.
Trochek brings what Henrique offers, and Cap is tight, so even at half, not a fit
No reason to move Chytil for spare parts, he's younger, w more upside, and longer team control, than most proposed deals will bring back
Trochek brings what Henrique offers, and Cap is tight, so even at half, not a fit
No reason to move Chytil for spare parts, he's younger, w more upside, and longer team control, than most proposed deals will bring back
Verbeek has been very happy with Vatrano, and 50% would cost the Ducks around 5 mil in cash. I doubt the Ducks retain 50% on him for anything less then a 1st.
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Vatrano went from being a healthy scratch in Florida to playing the best hockey of his career in NY. That got him overpaid. He is not a 3.6 mill player. He now is on pace for 25 pts and a -30. Obviously plus minus isn't a great stat to use but its pretty telling when you are top 3 on your team and not known for your defensive prowess. If I was the coach unhappy would be an understatement. Even at 50% I dont see any team paying a 1st. How much is a 25 point player worth who barely plays defense in both salary and draft pick compensation? The answer is not much.
I see potential. Remove Henrique and Chytil and add a pick to the Ducks and maybe both teams do it.....
One Winged Angel
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I’m very curious as to how you can say with certainty that Verbeek has been “very happy” with him when Vatrano’s numbers aren’t good and neither is his overall game.
biturbo19
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Doesn't really matter what extra picks and "add-ons" the Ducks add here...this trade fundamentally makes the Rangers worse. And that's not gonna fly.
There's just no reason to downgrade from Chytil to Henrique. He's young, cheaper, and already better. If that's the core of the deal, it just doesn't work for NYR. Not to mention adding on those other two swaps where the Rangers also arguably have the better players in Carpenter>Grant, and Blais>Comtois.
There's just no reason to downgrade from Chytil to Henrique. He's young, cheaper, and already better. If that's the core of the deal, it just doesn't work for NYR. Not to mention adding on those other two swaps where the Rangers also arguably have the better players in Carpenter>Grant, and Blais>Comtois.
We should have rules like at least having to describe the thought process to these trade proposals. On what planet does NYR agree to this lol
anezthes
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He did an interview literally a week ago and said he was very happy with both Strome and Vatrano. So..... I am taking him at his word.
I never said he was. I'm saying the Ducks have no reason to move him, the GM has said publicly that he is happy with Vatranos play, and 5 mil in cash is not worth paying to get a late 2nd.
Not to mention it's hard to shine on the last place team with the worst PP in the league.
Lindberg Cheese
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If, if NYR right their ship and are deadline buyers, they will/should go after Kulikov and probably Grant. I have no sense of the market so I’m not even gonna try to throw an offer out there. Ana appears to be in the market for young D and picks of course
I take what GMs say with a grain of salt and especially one that overpaid a player in free agency. That was his decision to sign him and saying anything negative 25 games in the season could mean he screwed up. The Ducks don't have to move him and I am fairly certain no GM is giving anything of value for him and especially not a 2nd round pick. The point is the Ducks would have to retain if they wanted to move him unless they are taking on another bad contract. Dont see him going anywhere to be honest as there will be much better options out there that do not have bad contracts attached to them.
Funny you say that because in the same interview he criticized a more expensive UFA signing and said he needed to be better.
IMO
He is worth a max of a 2nd in a vacuum, or like a 3rd and a 2025 7th which bumps into a higher pick if Vatrano pots 30, something like that.
He is worth something more for max retention 3 years, but that is only 1.825 per, not some crazy #. Obv, yes a legit backscratch, but not an inflated #
ANA needs D/d prospects. Has handful of gifted young Fs, more needed.
Jones was a 3rd rounder 1 yr elc -> rfa
Is not a poor man's, but a destitute man's Fox.
Howev, even by that critical yardstick, there is legit value.
NY is married to actual Fox on long term contract, he goes nowhere
Jones is surplus
Jones + rights to unsigned NYR property, C, prospect BMB (Bryce McConnell-Barker), 3rd rounder, 6'1, 194 [no cap hit]
+ an acceptable pick
for
Vatrano at half
WhatTheDuck
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Anaheim might have the best stable of young puck moving D in the league. Drysdale, Zellweger and Mintyukov would quickly turn Jones into surplus, he really represents the last thing the organization needs.
The Ducks need big, strong, physical defensive D to compliment guys like those mentioned above. Only have a couple like that in the system and really only one (Noah Warren) among their better prospects.
Verbeek has specifically mentioned his desire to make the team bigger on the back end. He isn't going to target an undersized Dman.
Even worse you think he is going to criticize all his UFA signings in the same interview? Again I still take what GMs say with a grain of salt. Facts are facts. Vatrano so far has not earned his contract. I notice you didn't dispute any of that.
AirGut
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allow me....to slip into crazy talk for a few seconds,
Panarin+Chytil
for
Zegras+Vatrano
Obviously in this hypothetical Panarin would agree to go where his best buddy Strome went. How would Ducks feel about something like this? What if Zegras pulls a Fox and asks to be moved in the next year to his chosen team? Is this not a concern or fear for Ducks fans right now? You just know the Rangers are in complete disarray and the seeds were already planted this past summer with the Panarin-Drury talk.
Panarin+Chytil
for
Zegras+Vatrano
Obviously in this hypothetical Panarin would agree to go where his best buddy Strome went. How would Ducks feel about something like this? What if Zegras pulls a Fox and asks to be moved in the next year to his chosen team? Is this not a concern or fear for Ducks fans right now? You just know the Rangers are in complete disarray and the seeds were already planted this past summer with the Panarin-Drury talk.
