Proposal: Nyr/ana

[GAGLine]

Girardi for Bieksa and Despres

Anaheim saves 2.2 mil against the cap.

The Rangers can make it work cap-wise, as they'll have to trade or demote someone to fit the roster limit. Next summer, the Rangers can buy out both players if they want. Bieksa will only have 1 year left. Despres will have 4 years left, but he'll still be 25 as of July 1st, so his buyout is only 1/3rd.

There's no effect for expansion, as both Bieksa and Girardi have NMCs, though obviously they would both have to waive for the trade.

Does that clear enough money for Anaheim to get Lindholm signed?

We could also do Bieksa and Stoner, but then you're only saving 1.75 mil.

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[Starat327]

I believe Bieksa is on record as saying he has no interest and will not waive his NMC. Perhaps someone from Anaheim could clarify a bit more though.

 

[xxreact9]

I believe Bieksa is on record as saying he has no interest and will not waive his NMC. Perhaps someone from Anaheim could clarify a bit more though.

Pretty much. His buddy Kesler is here. His fam is west coast. He doesn't want to move anywhere.

 

[bernmeister]

Girardi for Bieksa and Despres

Anaheim saves 2.2 mil against the cap.

The Rangers can make it work cap-wise, as they'll have to trade or demote someone to fit the roster limit. Next summer, the Rangers can buy out both players if they want. Bieksa will only have 1 year left. Despres will have 4 years left, but he'll still be 25 as of July 1st, so his buyout is only 1/3rd.

There's no effect for expansion, as both Bieksa and Girardi have NMCs, though obviously they would both have to waive for the trade.

Does that clear enough money for Anaheim to get Lindholm signed?

We could also do Bieksa and Stoner, but then you're only saving 1.75 mil.

I like the intent, but my vote is no solely because it is an NMC coming and going.
want to bribe somebody in the proper currency to take wonder twins nmcs off our hands.

Would reconsider if a different cap dump that is a non-NMC in lieu of Bieksa can be used

Expecting we have a better chance doing a parallel of this w/Sabres
Moulson = bad contract at 5m per
+ some other incentive = profit for Buf
NYR moves Girardi's 5.5 --- and his NMC

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Girardi for Bieksa and Despres

Anaheim saves 2.2 mil against the cap.

The Rangers can make it work cap-wise, as they'll have to trade or demote someone to fit the roster limit. Next summer, the Rangers can buy out both players if they want. Bieksa will only have 1 year left. Despres will have 4 years left, but he'll still be 25 as of July 1st, so his buyout is only 1/3rd.

There's no effect for expansion, as both Bieksa and Girardi have NMCs, though obviously they would both have to waive for the trade.

Does that clear enough money for Anaheim to get Lindholm signed?

We could also do Bieksa and Stoner, but then you're only saving 1.75 mil.

Bieksa has already pretty much said that he wont waive his NMC, He and his family are just pretty much getting settled in the Anaheim area and he has no desire to uproot them now. And Despres is out long term with a concussion no team is going to trade for Despres until they know that he can handle a single season without missing much time. And i don't see that happening any time soon.

 

[GAGLine]

Pretty much. His buddy Kesler is here. His fam is west coast. He doesn't want to move anywhere.

Oh well, I guess it's a non-starter then.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

This is really good value IMO. Nice job.

 

[Spazkat]

Girardi for Bieksa and Despres

Anaheim saves 2.2 mil against the cap.

The Rangers can make it work cap-wise, as they'll have to trade or demote someone to fit the roster limit. Next summer, the Rangers can buy out both players if they want. Bieksa will only have 1 year left. Despres will have 4 years left, but he'll still be 25 as of July 1st, so his buyout is only 1/3rd.

There's no effect for expansion, as both Bieksa and Girardi have NMCs, though obviously they would both have to waive for the trade.

Does that clear enough money for Anaheim to get Lindholm signed?

We could also do Bieksa and Stoner, but then you're only saving 1.75 mil.

Actually there would be an expansion effect (assuming you could get KB to waive for the trade). Bieksa's 1 year could be easily bought out whereas Girardi's remaining 4 years is more or less buyout proof with the signing bonuses. ANA fully expects the deal to be Bieksa waives for expansion draft or gets bought out so we don't have to protect him.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Great job GAG, you put some serious consideration into it from both sides and it's something that if the numbers could be worked out, I think both sides would at least kick the tires on in real life.

It makes me wonder if this was something that they were both looking at, considering it's known that the Rangers were scouting the Ducks, despite the fact that there aren't any games between the two teams in the near future.

 

[bernmeister]

This is really good value IMO. Nice job.

Great job GAG, you put some serious consideration into it from both sides and it's something that if the numbers could be worked out, I think both sides would at least kick the tires on in real life.

It makes me wonder if this was something that they were both looking at, considering it's known that the Rangers were scouting the Ducks, despite the fact that there aren't any games between the two teams in the near future.

forgot to add this^ sentiment
it was solid on both sides
again, only not wanting to take back an NMC is what killed it

 

[crowi]

Easy no

 

[eternalbedhead]

It's a well-thought out proposal, but I don't want to touch the term on Girardi's contract. Ducks say no.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

This is really good value IMO. Nice job.

I agree, the value is solid.

 

[caliamad]

What if we replace Bieksa with depres? Rangers can probably afford to stash depres on ltir.

 

[One Winged Angel]

What if we replace Bieksa with depres? Rangers can probably afford to stash depres on ltir.

Despres is in the original proposal.

 

[GAGLine]

Despres is in the original proposal.

I think he meant Despres and Stoner for Girardi, which would also work for the Rangers, though it would only save Anaheim 1.45 mil.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Actually, there is nothing well thought out about this proposal. Anybody paying attention knows Bieksa will not waive to move anywhere. And it has nothing to do with his buddy Kesler but everything to do with his family. It's been stated numerous times in every Ducks trade proposal.

And anybody paying attention would also know that with the Ducks plethora of good young D, the last thing they will trade for is an even higher priced overpaid D with 4 years left.

But I guess if you only view it from a Rangers perspective, it's a well thought out proposal.

 

[slg1963]

Actually, there is nothing well thought out about this proposal. Anybody paying attention knows Bieksa will not waive to move anywhere. And it has nothing to do with his buddy Kesler but everything to do with his family. It's been stated numerous times in every Ducks trade proposal.

And anybody paying attention would also know that with the Ducks plethora of good young D, the last thing they will trade for is an even higher priced overpaid D with 4 years left.

But I guess if you only view it from a Rangers perspective, it's a well thought out proposal.

I actually thought it was a great proposal , really how many teams are willing to help ANA with their cap problems .

 

[bernmeister]

I think he meant Despres and Stoner for Girardi, which would also work for the Rangers, though it would only save Anaheim 1.45 mil.

moving 2 bad contracts
for
1 which is NMC

If that is right, then yes, and that is a terrif core

we can give Ducks a sweetener SIDE DEAL to up those savings w/in reason
We send you a half mil ish body like Sumer for acceptable deadwood 3ish times that, resulting in 1.5 -.5 about another mil savings on top of the core deal.


Props to GAGLine, and
deal?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I actually thought it was a great proposal , really how many teams are willing to help ANA with their cap problems .

So why not just offer Gerradi for Getzlaf using your logic. You know, since you're so willing to help ANA out with their problem.

 

[slg1963]

So why not just offer Gerradi for Getzlaf using your logic. You know, since you're so willing to help ANA out with their problem.

We are talking Bieska and Dupres , hardly scoring threats. Plus your saving 2.2 mil in cap space.

 

[dracom]

moving 2 bad contracts
for
1 which is NMC

If that is right, then yes, and that is a terrif core

we can give Ducks a sweetener SIDE DEAL to up those savings w/in reason
We send you a half mil ish body like Sumer for acceptable deadwood 3ish times that, resulting in 1.5 -.5 about another mil savings on top of the core deal.


Props to GAGLine, and
deal?

This whole deal is terrible for Anaheim. Now we have to protect Girardi and Bieksa? Not worth the small savings we get. Or if we stick with the original proposal, we HAVE to protect Girardi instead of either having Bieksa waive or have his last year bought out. It's a bad proposal from the Ducks side and just hurts our present and future.

 

[slg1963]

This whole deal is terrible for Anaheim. Now we have to protect Girardi and Bieksa? Not worth the small savings we get. Or if we stick with the original proposal, we HAVE to protect Girardi instead of either having Bieksa waive or have his last year bought out. It's a bad proposal from the Ducks side and just hurts our present and future.

No you do not , the proposal is Girardi for Bieska and Dupres , saving Anh 2.2 mil

 

[dracom]

No you do not , the proposal is Girardi for Bieska and Dupres , saving Anh 2.2 mil

so we still have to protect Girardi, so we end up helping the Rangers with the expansion draft and we end up losing Manson or Fowler and having a huge cap hit for the next 4 years? Still a terrible trade for us.

 

[Spazkat]

No you do not , the proposal is Girardi for Bieska and Dupres , saving Anh 2.2 mil

You're missing the point. Bieksa has 1 year left and can be bought out prior to the expansion draft if he refuses to waive for it. Girardi has 4 years left on a nearly buy-out proof contract. Do you not see the issue with that?