Value of: Nyquist to PIT

[Gurglesons]

What’s the cost? What would CBUS take back cap wise.

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[StIvany4Norris]

4 points at 5.5M?

Think they should probably aim a bit higher if they're paying to bring in help

 

[TGWL]

Where is he playing in the line-up for Penguins? He put up a decent amount of points last season but he's not going to get those minutes for Pittsburgh. His even strength p/60 was like 9th or 10th involving forwards who played over 40 games. If he's not going to get a lot of playing time I don't see it working out.

 

[Gurglesons]

Where is he playing in the line-up for Penguins? He put up a decent amount of points last season but he's not going to get those minutes for Pittsburgh. His even strength p/60 was like 9th or 10th involving forwards who played over 40 games. If he's not going to get a lot of playing time I don't see it working out.

I’d bring him in to replace Kapanen on L3 and provide time on our PK.

 

[stevo61]

Who would Pittsburgh even be looking to move for cap purposes?

Dont think theyll be looking to take on multiple years of cap just for a meh pick for a guy they can probably retain on for the rest of the year and get atleast the same level of pick or better

 

[cbjthrowaway]

With Werenski out for the season it suddenly becomes a lot easier for the Jackets to retain Gus at 50% OR to take back an expiring expensive contract with an asset, just sayin'.

 

[Gurglesons]

Who would Pittsburgh even be looking to move for cap purposes?

Dont think theyll be looking to take on multiple years of cap just for a meh pick for a guy they can probably retain on for the rest of the year and get atleast the same level of pick or better

Kapanen would be the obvious one. Probably would explore McGinn too.

 

[Crede777]

If he was movable without packaging the 1st he would be somewhere else and Bjorkstrand would still be in Columbus.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

If he was movable without packaging the 1st he would be somewhere else and Bjorkstrand would still be in Columbus.

Context matters.

CBJ was looking at either losing Laine to an offer sheet or having to forfeit games if they didn't offload money. That suppressed the value of any money they had to move out.

The cap is prorated, he becomes more moveable as the season goes on, CBJ gains value from retaining his contract, and contending teams are looking for versatile veteran wings.

 

[majormajor]

If he was movable without packaging the 1st he would be somewhere else and Bjorkstrand would still be in Columbus.

That's not true. If they tried to move Nyquist in July (we don't know if they even wanted to), it probably would have been difficult. But now they have the cap space to just retain and take dumps to make it work.

I don't really see the point though if Pittsburgh isn't going to pay in futures for him. I'd want a 2nd+3rd or we should just keep him.

Context matters.

CBJ was looking at either losing Laine to an offer sheet or having to forfeit games if they didn't offload money.

That's nonsense. Maybe they did panic in July to offload a bit of salary but they were only a couple million over and had plenty of time to move someone. You don't forfeit games by the way, you just don't have as many bodies on the roster, like Toronto, Florida, and Vegas started the year. And there was no offer sheet risk.

 

[Crede777]

That's not true. If they tried to move Nyquist in July (we don't know if they even wanted to), it probably would have been difficult. But now they have the cap space to just retain and take dumps to make it work.

We can easily speculate that's the case since it would be a more than fair assumption to state that if Jarmo could move the lesser player, he would have done so. It's the safest logical jump.

 

[majormajor]

We can easily speculate that's the case since it would be a more than fair assumption to state that if Jarmo could move the lesser player, he would have done so. It's the safest logical jump.

There were a lot of lesser players than Bjorkstrand with a greater than $2m cap hit. Perhaps Jarmo tried to trade each of them, but we don't know. Sometimes GMs just make horrible mistakes.

 

[Crede777]

There were a lot of lesser players than Bjorkstrand with a greater than $2m cap hit. Perhaps Jarmo tried to trade each of them, but we don't know. Sometimes GMs just make horrible mistakes.

Sometimes but since the GM has access to more information than we do, we should not automatically assume mistake.

 

[majormajor]

Sometimes but since the GM has access to more information than we do, we should not automatically assume mistake.

I think you're making more assumptions than I am. Everyone says it like a fact that they tried to dump Nyquist.

 

[Jerkbait]

What’s the cost? What would CBUS take back cap wise.

POJ plus a higher pick. This is easy neither team really has interest in this.. while Kapanen needs a replacement this isn't a fit in Pitt. Cookie cutter forward that they already have .

 

[Gurglesons]

That's not true. If they tried to move Nyquist in July (we don't know if they even wanted to), it probably would have been difficult. But now they have the cap space to just retain and take dumps to make it work.

I don't really see the point though if Pittsburgh isn't going to pay in futures for him. I'd want a 2nd+3rd or we should just keep him.



That's nonsense. Maybe they did panic in July to offload a bit of salary but they were only a couple million over and had plenty of time to move someone. You don't forfeit games by the way, you just don't have as many bodies on the roster, like Toronto, Florida, and Vegas started the year. And there was no offer sheet risk.

I would do Kapanen plus a 2nd and a prospect for Nyquist.

Kapanen, 2nd, DOC or Hallander?

 

[Viqsi]

I would do Kapanen plus a 2nd and a prospect for Nyquist.

Kapanen, 2nd, DOC or Hallander?

Don't see any value in either of those prospects.

 

[Gurglesons]

Don't see any value in either of those prospects.

Don't see many teams offering valuable prospects for a player like Nyquist..

 

[Viqsi]

Don't see many teams offering valuable prospects for a player like Nyquist..

My point being that the proposal is not materially affected by their presence.

 

[Gurglesons]

My point being that the proposal is not materially affected by their presence.

What would you want to offset taking the 2nd year of Kapanen outside of the 2nd?

 

[Viqsi]

What would you want to offset taking the 2nd year of Kapanen outside of the 2nd?

Probably just another pick. Doesn't have to be a substantial one.

 

[Gurglesons]

Probably just another pick. Doesn't have to be a substantial one.

Could I think Kapanen, 2nd, 4th would work then.

 

[Viqsi]

Could I think Kapanen, 2nd, 4th would work then.

Probably.

 

[Crede777]

I think you're making more assumptions than I am. Everyone says it like a fact that they tried to dump Nyquist.

Because that's the logical course of action. Which we should assume Jarmo tried to follow unless we have information to the contrary.

 

[majormajor]

Because that's the logical course of action. Which we should assume Jarmo tried to follow unless we have information to the contrary.

That's funny because several times people have confidently asserted to me that they preferred to move Bjorkstrand to reduce the number of long term winger contracts.

Our understanding of this is just a jenga tower of assumptions.