Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[notDatsyuk]

By the way, any chance you guys are able to trade John Tavares instead of Nylander, even if it's a deal where you essentially give him away without retaining salary?

Seems that would open up more cap space to address other needs and keep the better player in Nylander.

It would absolutely open more cap space and keep the better player.

However the idiot Dubas gave him a full NMC contract, so he can't be moved without him agreeing to it, and he's a Toronto boy who says he won't leave.

 

[thusk]

And how many of those were stuck on the second line with the corpse of Tavares and random third liners?

Do you really think zacha with his 36 pts high... kind of kerfoot offensive number befire playing with pastrnak or 37 year old krejci are really better player and/or faster player?

And an other thing... Pastrnak dont need to cheat to create offensive, get even much breakaway, 2v1 or whatever...he will play defensive first, travel all the ice and work on offensive side... nothing nylander never did and will never do

 

[notDatsyuk]

Do you really think zacha with his 36 pts high... kind of kerfoot offensive number befire playing with pastrnak or 37 year old krejci are really better player and/or faster player?

And an other thing... Pastrnak dont need to cheat to create offensive, get even much breakaway, 2v1 or whatever...he will play defensive first, travel all the ice and work on offensive side... nothing nylander never did and will never do

So no actual response? Thanks.

Thanks for the response.

He only took 41 faceoffs last year. He had a 48% faceoff victory. Even when he was centring his own line the wing man would come in and take the faceoff a lot of the time.

I'd have to look at the game logs when he centred his own line, but it looked to me like every time Nylander had to drive a line it didn't do well.

Nylander is too one dimensional.

Hyman did much better driving his own line. Because Hyman was a much more rounded player. Every line Hyman played on did better with him on it than without him.

I can't say the same for Nylander.

And if centre was the only position that could drive a line, and the only criterion for playing centre was winning faceoffs, your point would be very good.

 

[Gabriel426]

Just last season

Pastrnak played 13,7% of the time with marchand and bergeron and probably over 70-80 % without any of 2. He had 34 goal and 27 assist at 5v5 1,72 goal/69 and 3,09 pts/60

Nylander played eith matthews most of the time this season with 22 goal 27 assist 1,14 goal/60 2,62 pts/60

Good try but no, pastrnak is just a better player than nylander and its not even close

Agree.

In what metrics is Willie on par with Pastra?

Like they are both good or even great players but Willie is a tier below Pastra and there is no shame to that. Pastra is on the same tier as Kuch, MM and Rantanen

 

[keonsbitterness]

I see fair market value as about:

Nylander: $9
Marner: $10
Matthers $13

Which would have Marner actually taking a paycut, his last contract as an RFA was that ridiculous.

No chance Marner is taking a pay cut.

 

[aingefan]

I like Willy a lot, hope he sticks around.
But if he’s dealt, I hope one good outcome from it is locking Lili in at a decent number. That’s one of the few guys left who’s gotta chance to way outplay his contract.

 

[MAB1]

Matthews - $13
Marner - $11.5 (Matthews RFA AAV, roughly $1 raise for him, puts him around Pasta)
Nylander - Anything under $10 million AAV.

Don't let $1 million aka Timmins be the reason you lose your best players. Some of you act like they're being paid out of your bank account.

 

[ULF_55]

Agree.

In what metrics is Willie on par with Pastra?

Like they are both good or even great players but Willie is a tier below Pastra and there is no shame to that. Pastra is on the same tier as Kuch, MM and Rantanen

Exactly.

Matthews is in Pastrnak's category.

So we're expecting 8 year deals for all three of the above?


Nylander isn't even in their Salary Cap Tier.

Nylander is Tier 2.

 

[nuck]

Pastrnak plays on the top line with Marchand and Bergeron.

Nylander plays on the second line with slow Tavares and a rotating mess of third liners.

That alone is just about enough to explain the difference in career point totals.

So Willie would be getting 60-110 if he was on the top line and outscoring his center by 55 points? There is no universe where that happens. Different tier of talent and its always been that way between these two. And the corpse of Tavares outscored Bergeron this year

I would like to see what Willie could produce if he was an all the top minutes guy but I don't think he has much, if any, organic growth yet barring a fluke 21-22 year reoccurring.

 

[Divine]

Would you guys do:

Schiefele (50% retained on expiring contract) + Helly (50% retained on expiring contract)

For

Nylander + Murray + Samsonov?

Leafs take a drop in offence but clear Nylander before his extension, they get a #1 goalie. Winnipeg gets younger and gets an elite forward + a strong young goalie for 2 players who have already said they will not re-sign in Winnipeg.

Who says no?

 

[Pinkcat]

Game 3 Marner

Worst playoff performance in Leafs History

When Bennett took out Knies he also absolutely neutered Marner. It is no coincidence the type of players that have been signed this summer.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Unless you're Auston I suppose. Took 5 years instead of 8 to keep the AAV down (or that's the narrative we were fed).

5 years is less expensive than 8 years on a post-ELC contract, because those extra years you're buying are the most expensive years. On these UFA contracts, the earlier years are the most valuable and the later years are least valuable, so more years lowers the cost.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Do you really think zacha with his 36 pts high... kind of kerfoot offensive number befire playing with pastrnak or 37 year old krejci are really better player and/or faster player?

And an other thing... Pastrnak dont need to cheat to create offensive, get even much breakaway, 2v1 or whatever...he will play defensive first, travel all the ice and work on offensive side... nothing nylander never did and will never do

I’m not sure how much Pastrnak you have watched. He’s a better offensive player than Nylander and deserves a bigger contract, but the guy loves cheating for the fast break and is nowhere near “defensive first”, his D is the weakest part of his game

 

[PeteBestondrums]

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Jarnkrok

That 3rd line is poo poo kaka.

I don't think Robertson even makes the team, tbh.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Mirtle: What's next after Maple Leafs cap out by signing Max Domi and Tyler Bertuzzi?

It looks like the Maple Leafs have more work to do this offseason and the William Nylander situation is the first piece to figure out.

theathletic.com

I’ve long thought the contract that Filip Forsberg signed last year in Nashville — eight years at $8.5 million a season — was the right comparable for Nylander. Up against an $87.7 million cap, the likely 5 percent increase for the 2024-25 season, Forsberg’s contract would equate to a hair over $9 million a season.

I don’t mind that number at all, even if Nylander is going to be well into his mid-30s on that contract.

But, by all accounts, the Leafs want something smaller, that starts with an eight. And Nylander wants something higher. Possibly a lot higher.

Maybe they find a middle ground, but the clock is ticking. Pulling off a Nylander trade that you can at least tie is going to be very hard in the offseason. It feels like it will be downright impossible if we get into the season, especially with how capped out every team is likely to be by then. (Roughly 20 teams entered the season last year at or over the cap using LTIR.)

My other concern is what are the Leafs getting in return here that makes sense?

This could be a really easy deal to lose, given all the variables stacked against you.

There has been a lot of talk about Treliving looking to his former team in Calgary and eyeing some of their potentially available blueliners, but any package for Noah Hanifin, Chris Tanev or Nikita Zadorov comes with enormous risk given they’re all one year out from unrestricted free agency.

And after the Leafs gambled $4 million on John Klingberg, whose salary is high enough he doesn’t make sense in a third-pair role, they don’t exactly have a top-four hole on the back end without moving someone else out.

Any combination that involves moving Nylander’s cap hit to further add to the defence would also cut deeply into how dangerous the Leafs are up front. While they’re still a dangerous team, they finished ninth in goals per game during the regular season and registered a paltry 2.22 goals per 60 minutes at five-on-five in the playoffs. (Vegas won the Stanley Cup with 3.65.)

Even if the Leafs find a way to keep Nylander, which, again, is by far the preferred option, they’re not an overwhelming offensive juggernaut. Matthews is likely to be more healthy and, therefore, more dangerous, but Tavares is another year older. And their blue line has some aging pieces who have struggled to contribute offensively, too.

 

[WTFMAN99]

 

[26Mats]

It would absolutely open more cap space and keep the better player.

However the idiot Dubas gave him a full NMC contract, so he can't be moved without him agreeing to it, and he's a Toronto boy who says he won't leave.

I hear that but if he could be persuaded, it could work out for all teams.

For example, Leafs trade Tavares to us Habs as a cap dump. We then trade him with 50% retained at the TDL for a 1st to a contender.

Leafs get the cap flexibility to address various aspects of the roster with more cap space.
Habs get a 1st for their rebuild.
Other contender gets Tavares for their cup run.

Isn't that a better scenario for Tavares than being on a cap handcuffed team? His current cap hit is above his contributions. Getting old sucks. But it happens to everyone...

 

[joepeps]

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call it 9 and call it a day... how does it even take more than a day lol

 

[Confucius]

Matthews - $13
Marner - $11.5 (Matthews RFA AAV, roughly $1 raise for him, puts him around Pasta)
Nylander - Anything under $10 million AAV.

Don't let $1 million aka Timmins be the reason you lose your best players. Some of you act like they're being paid out of your bank account.

When there was no cap, I couldn’t care less how much we paid or even overpaid for a player. Allowed only x dollars to spend, I’m concerned who gets how much.

 

[WTFMAN99]

call it 9 and call it a day... how does it even take more than a day lol

Well if he thinks he's a 10-10.25M player, we're 1-1.25M short of what he believes he is worth, could be an ego thing.

If he hit the market today, I don't know any decent team that had 10M for him this summer.

 

[joepeps]

Well if he thinks he's a 10-10.25M player, we're 1-1.25M short of what he believes he is worth, could be an ego thing.

If he hit the market today, I don't know any decent team that had 10M for him this summer.

Then they should have already traded him... why drag this shit out?

 

[leafsfan5]

We want 8, he wants 10

Just meet in the middle please. If he doesn’t waver in his ask then yeah you move on

 

[A1LeafNation]

Leafs: 8.88m x 8 years = 71.04m
Other team: 10m x 7 years max = 70m

Stfu Nylander tbh. There's no world where he's making more than what the Leafs offer him.

Matter of fact stick to 8.5m until next June and he still can't get more. No contender paying over 10m.

 

[kb]

Interesting commentary today, speculation that he could have sabotaged his 10 team trade limit, apparently common. List a bunch of teams who don’t have any cap space to give you more leverage in negotations, pick the least likely options to squeeze your team.

He has a 10 team no trade list, which means there are 21 teams he can be traded freely to without his consent.

Unless I am missing the point totally.

 

[Confucius]

5 years is less expensive than 8 years on a post-ELC contract, because those extra years you're buying are the most expensive years. On these UFA contracts, the earlier years are the most valuable and the later years are least valuable, so more years lowers the cost.

If I’m the Leafs I’d definitely go for 5 years this time, Mathews at 32 won’t be worth 11 plus million per year