Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

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He wants to make a lot of money. The cap does not allow for the allocation of cap to the level he wants. He can sign a long term deal but it will be a lower amount. Not just with the leafs but league wide. What team is giving him 10+ million. He is arrogant so it is likely he would take a gamble on himself. Sign for $8.5 and make $2.5 more per year and then when cap goes up he is more likely to get what he is looking for league wide. The cap puts restrictions and I am sure his agent will understand this. I think this is more likely than him signing a 5-6 year deal or getting traded.
You seem to be making a lot of unsubstantiated claims about what Nylander is and what he wants.
There is zero indication that Nylander is looking for a 2-year deal, but if he was theoretically looking for a 2-year deal in order to rake in as much money as possible, he's not going to simultaneously give a significant discount signing away his two most valuable years for 8.8m. That's completely contradictory.
 
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Domi not good enough to play top 6 minutes imo. He will get caved in like Tavares does.

Nylander just brings much of the same that Matthews and Marner do, soft in the playoffs.

I'd rather support Matthews and Marner with grittier players to bring out their best. Matthews and Marner are more skilled than Nylander, but I don't think Dubas did enough to bring in players that support their style of play.

Alot of the Leafs issues is bc we have 4 top 6 guys playing the skill game and no grit/toughness. We need to change that. Bertuzzi being a year older than Nylander is negligible for me.
Domi had a pretty big year. He scored 20g and 56 points playing over 18:00 a night on a club that was getting crushed most nights. Not only did he lead the Hawks in scoring, he was a -9 and the next 6 forwards were below -20 so there was nobody protecting him. I am pretty sure he can handle top 6 minutes on a stronger team, although he played C a lot and was almost 54% on FO so he may displace Kampf for some 3C minutes. He has the potential to be a great addition.
 
By the way, any chance you guys are able to trade John Tavares instead of Nylander, even if it's a deal where you essentially give him away without retaining salary?

Seems that would open up more cap space to address other needs and keep the better player in Nylander.
 
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By the way, any chance you guys are able to trade John Tavares instead of Nylander, even if it's a deal where you essentially give him away without retaining salary?

Seems that would open up more cap space to address other needs and keep the better player in Nylander.
Tavares is not going anywhere. He’s retiring as a leaf essentially. It’s up to the coaching staff to figure out the best way to utilize him
 
It might be that we have to move on from Nylander.

You don’t like his style, fine; but the level of contempt you seem to have for him is nowhere near justified.

Of the big 4 he’s provided the best value for money and unlike some, he at least maintains his level of play in the postseason. What you see is what you get.

Not every player goes charging around like Clark or Tucker, does that make them a coward?

Matthews won two Rockets and a Hart under his contract. How much more would it take to say he's provided more value?
 
Nylander is an amazing player. We would not be able to replace his production with an individual player if he were moved.

With that being said, it's the first time I've ever felt that one of the core 4 could actually be moved. What makes me nervous though is that we can't score in the playoffs again. He's such a dynamic player.

If Nylander is moved, it appears Carolina is a good suited for him. They picked up Orlov at FA, which likely means Pesce is going to be on the move. As much as we're in need of a top 4 RHD and cap space, they are in need of a dynamic point producer.

Pesce alone is not nearly worth a player like Nylander. Wondering if there could be some sort of additional pieces like Teravainen and a top prospect could be added to get the value up to Nylander's worth.
Last 2 year 5v5 production in playoff

Nylander had 1 goal 5 assist at 5v5 in his 18 game

Bertuzzi had 2 goal 2 assist in 7 Game
Domi 1 goal 9 assist in 19 game

Im pretty sure adding bertuzzi domi and klinberg will easily overcome nylander pp impact too

Pretty sure pesce defensive impavt would be higher too
 
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Interesting commentary today, speculation that he could have sabotaged his 10 team trade limit, apparently common. List a bunch of teams who don’t have any cap space to give you more leverage in negotations, pick the least likely options to squeeze your team.
 
By the way, any chance you guys are able to trade John Tavares instead of Nylander, even if it's a deal where you essentially give him away without retaining salary?

Seems that would open up more cap space to address other needs and keep the better player in Nylander.
He has a full NMC. He and his wife are local to the area. I don’t know if she still works with the kids now but she had a job at a local hospital.
They have a young family with both sets of grandparents close by.
Add to that any team with the cap space to bring him in isn’t going to compete for the last 2 years on his deal.

Now after all that why the hell would he agree to waive ?

Interesting commentary today, speculation that he could have sabotaged his 10 team trade limit, apparently common. List a bunch of teams who don’t have any cap space to give you more leverage in negotations, pick the least likely options to squeeze your team.
I believe it’s 10 teams he can’t be traded to not 10 he can. Meaning there are 21 teams he could be moved to.
 
He has a full NMC. He and his wife are local to the area. I don’t know if she still works with the kids now but she had a job at a local hospital.
They have a young family with both sets of grandparents close by.
Add to that any team with the cap space to bring him in isn’t going to compete for the last 2 years on his deal.

Now after all that why the hell would he agree to waive ?


I believe it’s 10 teams he can’t be traded to not 10 he can. Meaning there are 21 teams he could be moved to.

Better weather, less stress?
 
Better weather, less stress?
If he wanted those things he would have signed with a team that offered that in the first place.

He chose the Leafs and given that he grew up here he knew what he was getting into. He isn’t waiving his NMC to go join a rebuilding team. It’s not an option.
 
Last 2 year 5v5 production in playoff

Nylander had 1 goal 5 assist at 5v5 in his 18 game

Bertuzzi had 2 goal 2 assist in 7 Game
Domi 1 goal 9 assist in 19 game

Im pretty sure adding bertuzzi domi and klinberg will easily overcome nylander pp impact too

Pretty sure pesce defensive impavt would be higher too

So it looks like a line of Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander would work.

Tavares on the 3rd. line isn't the end of the world.

Of course moving on from Liljegren, Nylander and Jarnkrok might be a cherry celebration for some?
 
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Interesting commentary today, speculation that he could have sabotaged his 10 team trade limit, apparently common. List a bunch of teams who don’t have any cap space to give you more leverage in negotations, pick the least likely options to squeeze your team.

I'd think every player lists teams to their advantage / preference.

But if you're being traded for players and not prospects/picks there is money in and money out.
 
"He is arrogant" you guys believe every random Toronto journalist way too much. He held out on the last contract negotiation and ended up with a contract that turned out to be great value for the team. The opposite of what happened with everyone else. A player asking in a negotiation for a high rate isn't arrogance...it's negotiation. Put your Don Cherry PJs away.

What some have to realize is Nylander's current contract looks great now but I'm going to disagree with it being great when he signed. He was paid in comparison to guys like Pastrnak and Ehjlers and basically got what he wanted, after holding out. Dubas should have shipped him out then instead of caving in. Each year salaries go up so yes it looks good now but we didn't get a steal of a deal when it was signed. Same as M&M. All 3 cases Dubas overpaid and if it happens again we'll be dealing with the same problem filling in the holes and depth.
 
So it looks like a line of Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander would work.

Tavares on the 3rd. line isn't the end of the world.

Of course moving on from Liljegren, Nylander and Jarnkrok might be a cherry celebration for some?
Would just be totally trash in the defensive end ...

For you what was really nylander impact last 2 pst-season... tell me in wich area he helped the leafs to win... please try to be more specific than something like " offensivly"
 
If he wanted those things he would have signed with a team that offered that in the first place.

He chose the Leafs and given that he grew up here he knew what he was getting into. He isn’t waiving his NMC to go join a rebuilding team. It’s not an option.
If he wants to help the Leafs win, he'll waive.
 
Interesting commentary today, speculation that he could have sabotaged his 10 team trade limit, apparently common. List a bunch of teams who don’t have any cap space to give you more leverage in negotations, pick the least likely options to squeeze your team.
This is what irritates me about all 3 of our players, and whether negotiations are actually happening in good faith or is every dirty play in the book being used to squeeze every penny possible?

I don’t know what any of our 3 players have missed out on in life to be so wretched and miserable to negotiate with. They all come from families of privilege.

It’s the single most reason. I’m souring on them, right before the not having won anything piece….,
 
Nylander is a $9M dollar player and we should keep him. I’ve even gone so far as to make him the bar. I think he has another gear.

And what PLD got, and the pieces WPG got…Like…People…Think of our depth if we made a similar move let alone moveS.

Does that ever feel like a Lindros scenario times two.

Now…IF the cap can catapult in two years, all our worries will be for naught.

The again…what if the gamble was: Get the depth, wait until the cap goes up…reacquire primary traded assets?
 
Nylander is an amazing player. We would not be able to replace his production with an individual player if he were moved.

With that being said, it's the first time I've ever felt that one of the core 4 could actually be moved. What makes me nervous though is that we can't score in the playoffs again. He's such a dynamic player.

If Nylander is moved, it appears Carolina is a good suited for him. They picked up Orlov at FA, which likely means Pesce is going to be on the move. As much as we're in need of a top 4 RHD and cap space, they are in need of a dynamic point producer.

Pesce alone is not nearly worth a player like Nylander. Wondering if there could be some sort of additional pieces like Teravainen and a top prospect could be added to get the value up to Nylander's worth.

Canes cap is not counting Svechnikov's cap hit on cap friendly. Svech will become avaialble for them next season; I am not sure Canes will be able to accommodate Willy without Leafs retaining some of his cap for the season. I doubt Leafs retain Nylander's salary but if push comes to shove they may have to...

Domi had a pretty big year. He scored 20g and 56 points playing over 18:00 a night on a club that was getting crushed most nights. Not only did he lead the Hawks in scoring, he was a -9 and the next 6 forwards were below -20 so there was nobody protecting him. I am pretty sure he can handle top 6 minutes on a stronger team, although he played C a lot and was almost 54% on FO so he may displace Kampf for some 3C minutes. He has the potential to be a great addition.

I'd play Domi as 2C and push Tavares down as 3C
 
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Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander.

One of these things is not like the others.

There's an older Simpsons episode I absolutely love called “Lisa’s Rival”. In it there's a brief scene in which Lisa features in a band of “second banana’s” with Garfunkel, Oates, and Messina. That’s what Nylander is.

A second banana.

He's the fifth wheel on this Maple Leafs monster machine. A spare tire. Useful to have and important to keep handy.

But doesn’t shine like the whitewalls.

Nylander is a complimentary player. He can't drive his own line. He's reliant on better teammates to produce.

He's a second banana.

But that won't stop Nylander from asking for a big raise. With big money comes big egos. In Nylander's mind, he really is a superstar.

So it's only natural he expects to get paid the same as his much better teammates.
 
By the way, any chance you guys are able to trade John Tavares instead of Nylander, even if it's a deal where you essentially give him away without retaining salary?

Seems that would open up more cap space to address other needs and keep the better player in Nylander.

Tavares has full NTC/NMC and has indicated he has no desire to leave Toronto where his family is settled. It is not going to happen IMO

Matthews won two Rockets and a Hart under his contract. How much more would it take to say he's provided more value?

one of his rocket season and the hart win came when he was playing in the Canadian division -> weakest division of all at the time during the covid cup.

not sure how much weight you want to put into that season
 
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Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander.

One of these things is not like the others.

There's an older Simpsons episode I absolutely love called “Lisa’s Rival”. In it there's a brief scene in which Lisa features in a band of “second banana’s” with Garfunkel, Oates, and Messina. That’s what Nylander is.

A second banana.

He's the fifth wheel on this Maple Leafs monster machine. A spare tire. Useful to have and important to keep handy.

But doesn’t shine like the whitewalls.

Nylander is a complimentary player. He can't drive his own line. He's reliant on better teammates to produce.

He's a second banana.

But that won't stop Nylander from asking for a big raise. With big money comes big egos. In Nylander's mind, he really is a superstar.

So it's only natural he expects to get paid the same as his much better teammates.

This is false. Nylander can absolutely drive his own line.
 
This is false. Nylander can absolutely drive his own line.

Certainly, can, although he does need some help defensively, and ideally with players who can skate.

marner and Nylander have both produced on different lines.
Tavares produced with crap on the Islanders.
Who does that leave that perhaps we haven't seen produce without top line-mates?
 
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