Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[TimeZone]

Noticed some Seattle runours. If they are interested would anyone on either side consider a Wright for Nylander swap.

People have soured on Wright which may make him available. He wont be a big point producer but will work his butt off to get better. Set the expectation as a solid 2nd line center or really good 3rd line center with potential to replace Tavares in 2 years. Also gain 4-5 million in cap space for a d im the future. I would be okay with these 3 centers in a few years.

Mathews
McDavid
Wright

Nobody sane on the Leafs side, everyone sane on Seattles side.

That is truly horrific.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Offer him 2 years at 8.8 with full NMC.

It would cost a heck of a lot more than 8.8m for Nylander to sign away 2 of his most valuable years.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

There were multiple articles. You can google.

Lol, how did I know that you’d write that?

It’s because there is no source. Only rumour. And you knew I’d call you out for using rumours as “sources”.

We have a legitimate source that 13 mil was offered. But we don’t have a source on term.

I’ve looked. I can’t find one. Because it doesn’t exist.

Provide a link if you argue otherwise.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm happier to build around Matthews Marner Knies and Bertuzzi moving forward.

I'm not giving Nylander a NMC unless it's 8 years and ~8.5m in cap.

If Nylander isn't happy, trade him and get what assets you can and build around the other 4.

Building around Bertuzzi instead of Nylander? How about with Nylander?
He's older than Nylander and as of of this point, not even in the same area code.
Don't need to list the stats they're too obvious.

However, going forward I'd be interested to see:

Knies-Matthews-marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander

For those interested:

 

[ULF_55]

It would cost a heck of a lot more than 8.8m for Nylander to sign away 2 of his most valuable years.

Perhaps, if he wants to sign a full term deal, and is okay making $3mm-$4mm less than his teammates then sure.

 

[notbias]

So now that we have depth and will have a good scoring 3rd line, we now want to trade Nylander to ruin that and get some D so we have 9 NHL D?

Just want to check if that is right...

 

[A1LeafNation]

Building around Bertuzzi instead of Nylander? How about with Nylander?
He's older than Nylander and as of of this point, not even in the same area code.
Don't need to list the stats they're too obvious.

However, going forward I'd be interested to see:

Knies-Matthews-marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander

For those interested:

View attachment 725701

Domi not good enough to play top 6 minutes imo. He will get caved in like Tavares does.

Nylander just brings much of the same that Matthews and Marner do, soft in the playoffs.

I'd rather support Matthews and Marner with grittier players to bring out their best. Matthews and Marner are more skilled than Nylander, but I don't think Dubas did enough to bring in players that support their style of play.

Alot of the Leafs issues is bc we have 4 top 6 guys playing the skill game and no grit/toughness. We need to change that. Bertuzzi being a year older than Nylander is negligible for me.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Perhaps, if he wants to sign a full term deal, and is okay making $3mm-$4mm less than his teammates then sure.

Everything I've seen suggests he's interested in a full term deal, and not sure why he'd have an issue being appropriately paid relative to his teammates.
If he had some weird fascination with his AAV being closer to his teammates for some weird reason, I guess he could take a 2 year deal, since it would cost more.

 

[notbias]

Domi not good enough to play top 6 minutes imo. He will get caved in like Tavares does.

Nylander just brings much of the same that Matthews and Marner do, soft in the playoffs.

I'd rather support Matthews and Marner with grittier players to bring out their best. Matthews and Marner are more skilled than Nylander, but I don't think Dubas did enough to bring in players that support their style of play.

Alot of the Leafs issues is bc we have 4 top 6 guys playing the skill game and no grit/toughness. We need to change that. Bertuzzi being a year older than Nylander is negligible for me.

I'd be more concerned with Bertuzzi's injury history than his age. Not sure he has played a full season yet.

 

[ULF_55]

Domi not good enough to play top 6 minutes imo. He will get caved in like Tavares does.

Nylander just brings much of the same that Matthews and Marner do, soft in the playoffs.

I'd rather support Matthews and Marner with grittier players to bring out their best. Matthews and Marner are more skilled than Nylander, but I don't think Dubas did enough to bring in players that support their style of play.

Alot of the Leafs issues is bc we have 4 top 6 guys playing the skill game and no grit/toughness. We need to change that. Bertuzzi being a year older than Nylander is negligible for me.

One of Domi's strengths is supposed to be skating.
One of Tavares known weaknesses is skating.

So Knies is another soft player? I'd give him some time before I said that's set in stone.

 

[Rude Dog]

So the Leafs are trading a 40 goal, ppg C/W for a player who best case scenario is an average 2nd line C?

I wonder what ppg winger the Leafs can get for Fraser Minten.

Better way of looking at this is someone like Betuzzi with the cap space created along with a top end prospect. Replace Wright with someone like Drysdale or another potential high impact D then. Its more the concept than the actual player

For the record I have watched Wright extremely closely since he was 14. I never saw the high end skill. Not dynamic. But that kids work ethic alone will make him a solid pro for a decade. He may not score 40 like Nylander but I guarantee you he will block a shot, finish a check. I may want to bump this thread in 5 years.

 

[A1LeafNation]

One of Domi's strengths is supposed to be skating.
One of Tavares known weaknesses is skating.

So Knies is another soft player? I'd give him some time before I said that's set in stone.

I was referring to Tavares Nylander Matthews and Marner.

I think Knies and Bertuzzi will do alot for this top 6 moving forward in terms of building a more gritty and tough top 6.

Domi could prove to be a top 6 player, haven't seen it yet to convince me.

 

[ULF_55]

Everything I've seen suggests he's interested in a full term deal, and not sure why he'd have an issue being appropriately paid relative to his teammates.
If he had some weird fascination with his AAV being closer to his teammates for some weird reason, I guess he could take a 2 year deal, since it would cost more.

I think there's a disconnect between market price, which if the rumours are true, is dramatically out of touch to the rest of the NHL.

Matthews wants a short term deal so he can readjust his compensation for every increase in the salary cap. He wants to be highest paid, so he'll go after MacKinnon's %15+ of cap. So Matthews 2-3 year deal at $13mm+. Then $15mm+.

So Nylander's going to be happy making $6mm less than marner and Matthews?

I'd love for that to be the case, just don't buy it.

 

[Gaberd2608]

It would cost a heck of a lot more than 8.8m for Nylander to sign away 2 of his most valuable years.

He wants to make a lot of money. The cap does not allow for the allocation of cap to the level he wants. He can sign a long term deal but it will be a lower amount. Not just with the leafs but league wide. What team is giving him 10+ million. He is arrogant so it is likely he would take a gamble on himself. Sign for $8.5 and make $2.5 more per year and then when cap goes up he is more likely to get what he is looking for league wide. The cap puts restrictions and I am sure his agent will understand this. I think this is more likely than him signing a 5-6 year deal or getting traded.

Building around Bertuzzi instead of Nylander? How about with Nylander?
He's older than Nylander and as of of this point, not even in the same area code.
Don't need to list the stats they're too obvious.

However, going forward I'd be interested to see:

Knies-Matthews-marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander

For those interested:

View attachment 725701

I would not be rushing to give knies top 6 minutes even though he has the skill to justify it. None of our top 6 will protect him and he will get concussed again. I would rather put him on the 3rd line and ease him in. If he plays with matthew and marner he will end up f***ed up imp.

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Jarnkrok
Lafferty kampf. Holmberg/Reaves

 

[BayStBullies]

He wants to make a lot of money. The cap does not allow for the allocation of cap to the level he wants. He can sign a long term deal but it will be a lower amount. Not just with the leafs but league wide. What team is giving him 10+ million. He is arrogant so it is likely he would take a gamble on himself. Sign for $8.5 and make $2.5 more per year and then when cap goes up he is more likely to get what he is looking for league wide. The cap puts restrictions and I am sure his agent will understand this. I think this is more likely than him signing a 5-6 year deal or getting traded.

I would not be rushing to give knies top 6 minutes even though he has the skill to justify it. None of our top 6 will protect him and he will get concussed again. I would rather put him on the 3rd line and ease him in. If he plays with matthew and marner he will end up f***ed up imp.

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Jarnkrok
Lafferty kampf. Holmberg/Reaves

"He is arrogant" you guys believe every random Toronto journalist way too much. He held out on the last contract negotiation and ended up with a contract that turned out to be great value for the team. The opposite of what happened with everyone else. A player asking in a negotiation for a high rate isn't arrogance...it's negotiation. Put your Don Cherry PJs away.

 

[ULF_55]

I was referring to Tavares Nylander Matthews and Marner.

I think Knies and Bertuzzi will do alot for this top 6 moving forward in terms of building a more gritty and tough top 6.

Domi could prove to be a top 6 player, haven't seen it yet to convince me.

I hope they retain Nylander, I want to see if they can create a line in the top 6, without Tavares.
Perhaps even create 2a and 2b lines.
We've heard the Double Digits should be able to carry their own lines, but I don't think Keefe has the guts to separate Matthews-marner.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm no fan of Nylander but I'm not going to short change the guy either, over the last 4 years his goals per 82 games is slightly over 35 goals per season. over the last 4 years he's scored at almost a point per game, 0.9503546099 points per game. As a comparable, Meier who most people think signed a good contract. over the same period scored at lower pace, 32 goals per 82 gp and 0.7956989247 points per 82 games, based Meier's contract $8.8 mil per, Willie should be @ $10.5 mil per year.

In Gaudreaus case, teams typically don't pay for one great year, players want to get paid for one great year. Gaudreau career PPG is 1.0 and that is with his 115 point season from 2 yeas ago, he scored at a 1.4 points per game pace, somethign that he has never come close to before, if teams are paying based off an anomaly season they deserve the pain they are going to feel when he regresses to the mean. Willies production is consistent, actually improving year over year over the last three years.

Waking up this morning , i did not think I would be pointing out that what is fair is fair. I don't like Willies effort on most nights, he's a soft perimeter player that takes far too many nights off, I get some of y'all want Willie to take a discount so we can keep him but the guy has put in the work, he deserves to get paid. If your boss came in and asked you to take a discount so your coworkers could be paid more than you, for similar work, would you do it?

The issue isn't paying Willy for what one think he is worth; the issue is that we have already overpaid both Matthews and Marner quite a bit and have Tavares at 11 AAV basically 3 guys in double digit AAV only team in the league with such cap allocation.

Do we want to add a 4th player with double digit AAV for 2 more years and then still run the team with 3 players with double digit AAV. how do we compete with such cap allocation?

In the end you are looking for team success, what gives the Leafs the best chance at competing in the Atlantic Division to make playoffs; then compete with atlantic division (or WC team) in the first couple rounds and then metro team in the ECF.

Treliving's comments when he was introduced he said it is not about core 4 it is about all 23 guys on the roster, it is about Toronto Maple Leafs.

Now all that remains to be seen is whether Treliving was all talk or is he going to put this in action.

 

[Legion34]

Lol, how did I know that you’d write that?

It’s because there is no source. Only rumour. And you knew I’d call you out for using rumours as “sources”.

We have a legitimate source that 13 mil was offered. But we don’t have a source on term.

I’ve looked. I can’t find one. Because it doesn’t exist.

Provide a link if you argue otherwise.

Nope. There was an article in the athletic where his agent talks about it. You won’t believe that. And even if I sent it to you, you would demand I read it and then disagree.

It was absolutely true. This isn’t for you. It has been confirmed by Tavares agent and repeated multiple times.

We also have a legitimate source that Matthews was going to be offered 15x 7 by Arizona as an RFA.

Friedman reported that on spittin chiclets at his trade deadline special.

And no I’m not providing you the Spotify link.

This isn’t about you

It’s about correcting your incorrect narratives for other readers

For other readers.

John Tavares Signs 7-Year, $77 Million Contract with Maple Leafs

The Toronto Maple Leafs and center John Tavares reached an agreement Sunday on a seven-year contract worth $77 million...

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Dreger who confirmed the 13x7 offer is quoted as

Saying Tavares “left millions on the table”

He got 77 million.
If he was offered 13x6 he would have got 78 million. That’s not “millions”. Therefore he has to have got a 13x7 offer.

 

[ULF_55]

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Jarnkrok
Lafferty kampf. Holmberg/Reaves

I think they have to phase Tavares out of the top 6.
Just because he's overpaid doesn't mean he has to be overplayed.

 

[Gaberd2608]

"He is arrogant" you guys believe every random Toronto journalist way too much. He held out on the last contract negotiation and ended up with a contract that turned out to be great value for the team. The opposite of what happened with everyone else. A player asking in a negotiation for a high rate isn't arrogance...it's negotiation. Put your Don Cherry PJs away.

There is nothing about him that screams humility and down to earth to me. Same with Matthews and same with Marner. Has nothing to do with my jammies.

I dont begrudge a player wanting to maximize earnings but I do miss the days when I felt like our players were likable as actual people. I dont find this team likeable or loveable. This goes back to Burke/Phaneuf/Kessel.

I was once at a Leafs skate and Sundin was driving away after practice. Some kids ran after his car and he pulled over to stop and sign more autographs for them. I cannot see Matthews, Marner, or Nylander ever doing something like that.

 

[thusk]

I'm no fan of Nylander but I'm not going to short change the guy either, over the last 4 years his goals per 82 games is slightly over 35 goals per season. over the last 4 years he's scored at almost a point per game, 0.9503546099 points per game. As a comparable, Meier who most people think signed a good contract. over the same period scored at lower pace, 32 goals per 82 gp and 0.7956989247 points per 82 games, based Meier's contract $8.8 mil per, Willie should be @ $10.5 mil per year.

In Gaudreaus case, teams typically don't pay for one great year, players want to get paid for one great year. Gaudreau career PPG is 1.0 and that is with his 115 point season from 2 yeas ago, he scored at a 1.4 points per game pace, somethign that he has never come close to before, if teams are paying based off an anomaly season they deserve the pain they are going to feel when he regresses to the mean. Willies production is consistent, actually improving year over year over the last three years.

Waking up this morning , i did not think I would be pointing out that what is fair is fair. I don't like Willies effort on most nights, he's a soft perimeter player that takes far too many nights off, I get some of y'all want Willie to take a discount so we can keep him but the guy has put in the work, he deserves to get paid. If your boss came in and asked you to take a discount so your coworkers could be paid more than you, for similar work, would you do it?

Meier going to the net, helping his team on forecheck to get the puck back, screening goalie... hes doing a lot of thing who will impavt the offensive game but not nevessairly giving you pts.

Pts 5v5 last 2 season before resigning
Gaudreau 37 goal 62 assist in 138 game 1.12 goal/60 2,99 pts/60

Huberdeau 30 goal 50 assist in 135 game 1,05 goal/60 and 2,79 pts/60

Meier 37 goal 45 assist in 133 game
1,07 goal/60 and 2,38 pts/60 in san jose

Forsberg 34 goal 26 assist in 208 game
1,38 goal/60, 2,43 pts/60

Fiala 35 goal 40 assist in 132 game
1,25 goal/60 and 2,68 pts/60

Nylander 40 goal 49bassist in 163 game
1,07 goal/60 and 2,37 pts/60

Nylander is the worst 5v5 comtribution of all those player, the fact he can produce on pp playing along side matthews, marner abd whatever , its what suppose to justify a salary over 10M?

7,5M-8,5M salary is not a discount, its nylander value

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think there's a disconnect between market price, which if the rumours are true, is dramatically out of touch to the rest of the NHL.
Matthews wants a short term deal so he can readjust his compensation for every increase in the salary cap. He wants to be highest paid, so he'll go after MacKinnon's %15+ of cap. So Matthews 2-3 year deal at $13mm+. Then $15mm+.
So Nylander's going to be happy making $6mm less than marner and Matthews?
I'd love for that to be the case, just don't buy it.

I think there's a disconnect between what some people think market prices are, and what market prices actually are.
I also think there's a disconnect between how much some people think Nylander cares about his AAV relative to Matthews, and how much he actually cares.
You're making a lot of random, unsubstantiated assumptions about what Matthews is going to decide to do and get, not only now, but years into the future.
Nylander will want to be paid appropriately according to his value in the overall market (which is not 2 x 8.8m). What terms Matthews decides to go for aren't really relevant.

 

[kb]

I think they have to phase Tavares out of the top 6.
Just because he's overpaid doesn't mean he has to be overplayed.

Yup. Time to phase out the 80 pts in 80 games #2C playing 17 minutes and change per game, because that's genius.

 

[Trapper]

Nylander at the point he becomes UFA again would know what Matthews and marner are making and Tavares would be either gone or on a reduced contract.

For the Leafs it keeps the amount market value, and pushes further discussion down the road.

We have to see how Bertuzzi and Domi perform.

Look at Tampa. They have lost Palat, Killorn, McD and others. People say they are declining. The have the key positions signed, C Point, D Hedman, G Vas.
They have Stamkos at 8 and Kucherov at 9.5 and still losing guys.

What Tampa should have done is trade Stamkos (pick one winger to keep) for young talent and signed Palat/Killorn.

We need to make our choice, get young guys in here to add to Knies, re-sign Matthews/Marner, sign Domi + Bertuzzi if they perform and work the low dollar, newly acquired pieces around them as well. Then replace JT with more UFAs or a higher priced D.

 

[smitty10]

Nylander is an amazing player. We would not be able to replace his production with an individual player if he were moved.

With that being said, it's the first time I've ever felt that one of the core 4 could actually be moved. What makes me nervous though is that we can't score in the playoffs again. He's such a dynamic player.

If Nylander is moved, it appears Carolina is a good suited for him. They picked up Orlov at FA, which likely means Pesce is going to be on the move. As much as we're in need of a top 4 RHD and cap space, they are in need of a dynamic point producer.

Pesce alone is not nearly worth a player like Nylander. Wondering if there could be some sort of additional pieces like Teravainen and a top prospect could be added to get the value up to Nylander's worth.