Toggle sidebar

Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
This is more Dubas stupidity at work. We should already have 2 years left of Nylander after his contract expiry at 8.5 / year. His 2 big prime years at that. With those 2 prime years gone the contract after that will be manageable.

Nylanders prime years projection are 90-100+ points, 40+ goals. Idiot Dubas always playing cute unless its marner bending him over.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: TMLLFC
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Then you need to watch more games or pay closer attention
Click to expand...
Not a single person can present an effective argument for why Nylander is worth 9+ million a year. Just saying it is true doesn't make it true. He has literally countless comps around the league making sub 9 a year. Argue my point but don't act like I am ignorant just because I happen to disagree with your opinion.
 
TheKrebsCycle said:
What on Earth ?
Click to expand...
I don’t like it but Treliving said he wan trees a bigger meaner backend, that’s Borgen, you need a Nylander replacement, that’s Bjorkstrand, we need an A prospect, Seattle has those, they also are one of very few teams with cap space and the need
 
Pengu said:
WHY would Willy agree to an extention just to do the Leafs a favour when he can get 10+ next sumer when the cap jumps up? The trade will be for 1 year of Willy, that's it. So it will not be a haul.
Click to expand...

But wich team would be as desesperate to give him10M+ . Im pretty sure its what he want and he will hit a wall

Whats Nylander really bring more than player like laine, forsberg, fiala, meier or whatever to justify a 10M + salary?

Offensive? No
Defensive ability? No
physicality ? No
 
I like Nylander but if he wants more than 8/8,5 for a long term deal here, it´s best to just part ways.
Ship him for the best return available and move on.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
Not a single person can present an effective argument for why Nylander is worth 9+ million a year. Just saying it is true doesn't make it true. He has literally countless comps around the league making sub 9 a year. Argue my point but don't act like I am ignorant just because I happen to disagree with your opinion.
Click to expand...

Agents and teams use other players as benchmarks, I'll use Pasta as a benchmark, he is in the East and plays similar conditions to Willie. Pasta is a RW, like Willie, has a career PPG pace of 1.04222973 points per game, he just recently signed a contract that pays him $11.25mil per. Willie is a 0.8253358925 points per game player, if you use points per game as your baseline and Pastas contract is a reasonable comparable, Willie should be around, $8,908,812.07 per year on his next deal.

The player will argue that the career point per game is weighted down by his early career and we should use more recent years, where he was more than a point per game over the last two years, the team will argue that two years is too small of a sample size and his career points per game is a fair measuring stick.

So if you believe the last two years is a reasonable measuring stick, he is absolutely worth 9mil +, if you think the last two years is too small of a sample size, less that 9 mil is reasonable.
 
Hellcat said:
Agents and teams use other players as benchmarks, I'll use Pasta as a benchmark, he is in the East and plays similar conditions to Willie. Pasta is a RW, like Willie, has a career PPG pace of 1.04222973 points per game, he just recently signed a contract that pays him $11.25mil per. Willie is a 0.8253358925 points per game player, if you use points per game as your baseline and Pastas contract is a reasonable comparable, Willie should be around, $8,908,812.07 per year on his next deal.
Click to expand...

Career PPG is almost never used in contract negotiations at this stage of their careers. They want to be rewarded for the work they've done recently and the player they've evolved into.

Johnny Gaudreau got $9.75M x 8 last year because he led the league in ES scoring and was 2nd in points. The market says you have to do some insane shit as a winger to get paid big on the UFA market. Has Willy really done shit like that? he hasn't.
 
If it's not going great and Nylander is being a hard head, get him the f*** outta here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aashir
We had 5 years with Nylander at 6.9 to make headway. We did not.
Do not sign 2 wingers for double digits.
We are trying to wait out the Tavares contract, don’t bring another winger back up to that level. Only pay a D that level next.
Marner or Nylander, choose 1. Then use one to get restock out next level support. We need the Palats/Killorn/Kadri/Hyman to go with Knies/Lily in the system.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aashir, PromisedLand, CincoHolio and 1 other person
IPS said:
Career PPG is almost never used in contract negotiations at this stage of their careers. They want to be rewarded for the work they've done recently and the player they've evolved into.

Johnny Gaudreau got $9.75M x 8 last year because he led the league in ES scoring and was 2nd in points. The market says you have to do some insane shit as a winger to get paid big on the UFA market. Has Willy really done shit like that? he hasn't.
Click to expand...

I'm no fan of Nylander but I'm not going to short change the guy either, over the last 4 years his goals per 82 games is slightly over 35 goals per season. over the last 4 years he's scored at almost a point per game, 0.9503546099 points per game. As a comparable, Meier who most people think signed a good contract. over the same period scored at lower pace, 32 goals per 82 gp and 0.7956989247 points per 82 games, based Meier's contract $8.8 mil per, Willie should be @ $10.5 mil per year.

In Gaudreaus case, teams typically don't pay for one great year, players want to get paid for one great year. Gaudreau career PPG is 1.0 and that is with his 115 point season from 2 yeas ago, he scored at a 1.4 points per game pace, somethign that he has never come close to before, if teams are paying based off an anomaly season they deserve the pain they are going to feel when he regresses to the mean. Willies production is consistent, actually improving year over year over the last three years.

Waking up this morning , i did not think I would be pointing out that what is fair is fair. I don't like Willies effort on most nights, he's a soft perimeter player that takes far too many nights off, I get some of y'all want Willie to take a discount so we can keep him but the guy has put in the work, he deserves to get paid. If your boss came in and asked you to take a discount so your coworkers could be paid more than you, for similar work, would you do it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: notDatsyuk and Da Mash
TheKrebsCycle said:
Not sure why either side would do that . If he signs it will be longer term methinks
Click to expand...

Nylander at the point he becomes UFA again would know what Matthews and marner are making and Tavares would be either gone or on a reduced contract.

For the Leafs it keeps the amount market value, and pushes further discussion down the road.
 
Hellcat said:
I get some of y'all want Willie to take a discount so we can keep him but the guy has put in the work, he deserves to get paid.
Click to expand...

I agree he deserves to get paid, just not in Toronto. We can't afford it and still put together a contending team.

Unless ... He wants to take a 2-year deal (that has to be under $9M, ideally well under) until Tavares is off the books?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hellcat, PromisedLand and ULF_55
kevsh said:
I agree he deserves to get paid, just not in Toronto. We can't afford it and still put together a contending team.

Unless ... He wants to take a 2-year deal (that has to be under $9M, ideally well under) until Tavares is off the books?
Click to expand...
He may. Give him $8.5 x 2 years and kick the can down the road. At that time if the cap rises, at least his percentage of cap can stay the same and the actual amount may go up for him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ULF_55
ULF_55 said:
Offer him 2 years at 8.8 with full NMC.

Proves he's worth more or he doesn't.
Click to expand...
I'm happier to build around Matthews Marner Knies and Bertuzzi moving forward.

I'm not giving Nylander a NMC unless it's 8 years and ~8.5m in cap.

If Nylander isn't happy, trade him and get what assets you can and build around the other 4.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sniper99
Noticed some Seattle runours. If they are interested would anyone on either side consider a Wright for Nylander swap.

People have soured on Wright which may make him available. He wont be a big point producer but will work his butt off to get better. Set the expectation as a solid 2nd line center or really good 3rd line center with potential to replace Tavares in 2 years. Also gain 4-5 million in cap space for a d im the future. I would be okay with these 3 centers in a few years.

Mathews
McDavid
Wright

:sarcasm:
 
  • Like
  • Love
  • Haha
Reactions: Sniper99, aingefan and PromisedLand
Rude Dog said:
Noticed some Seattle runours. If they are interested would anyone on either side consider a Wright for Nylander swap.

People have soured on Wright which may make him available. He wont be a big point producer but will work his butt off to get better. Set the expectation as a solid 2nd line center or really good 3rd line center with potential to replace Tavares in 2 years. Also gain 4-5 million in cap space for a d im the future. I would be okay with these 3 centers in a few years.

Mathews
McDavid
Wright

:sarcasm:
Click to expand...
So the Leafs are trading a 40 goal, ppg C/W for a player who best case scenario is an average 2nd line C?

I wonder what ppg winger the Leafs can get for Fraser Minten.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom