Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[TimeZone]

All due respect my man, I like your posts, but gotta disagree. He’s definitely more skilled and a better playmaker but Meier is a beast to handle and actually hits a bit. If I could swap Nylander for Meier straight up with exact same contract, I do it every day and twice on Sunday. I love his power forward style and I couldn’t care any less that Willy looks pretty dangling around the perimeter

I want North-South players who drive the net and scrum it up

Meier is quality, he's physical but the track record isn't there. I also have questions regarding how Meier ages considering his style, more physical styles tend to lead to shorter primes. Nylander I watched his skate his heart out against Florida, he was one of very few to do as much.

At the end of the day the guy who's scored significantly more is more likely to get paid more, far more often than not.

There's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree, but yeah, I'd keep Willie at 9 over Meier at 8.8, and it wouldn't be particularly difficult for me.

Marner is a significantly larger problem for me than Nylander, I don't even get the impression that little Mitch cares or works on his weaknesses in the offseason.

 

[ULF_55]

Then they should request trades to Florida. I don't know what to tell you, but I care about the Leafs, not the players trying to squeeze every dollar out of them because another player in Florida pays less taxes. Pastrnak sure didn't have a problem re-upping long-term in Boston or Hughes in NJ.

Yeah, it would be nice to see what Matthews wants.

He should definitely be making the most on the team.

Nylander should be making 3rd. most.

On most teams Nylander likely signs for around 8.5-9.0, but Leafs have a difference pay structure, and so each player probably wants to be compensated fairly within their team's structure.

It shouldn't be, but there is no indication there is any concern about the team flowing down from the top tier of player salaries. Tier 1 compensation is in the double digit category. None of them have shown any propensity to put the team first. That's the leadership of the team.


Neither of the pending UFA's players have signed, and we see no indication either one of them are close to signing.

Pastrnak signed for 8 years.
If we want to look around the league for comparables, Matthews would be in that grouping.
So Matthews should be looking between 11.2 and 12.5.

Nylander should be in the tier 2 category with Forsberg, Meier, Barzal.

Last 5 years:

Last 2 years:

 

[beamer67]

Carolina
Florida
Dallas
Nashville
Colorado
Seattle

These are the teams that I would think have varying degrees of interest.

Vancouver

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

2 sides far apart on day 1 of negotiations. Wow, shocking.


Nylander will retire a Leaf.

 

[Peace Frog]

Tree definitely has his work cut out for him with the core 4. He’s at such a disadvantage and judging from the perceived personalities of the core players, they’re going to take full advantage of their position.

Building a winning team doesn’t seem like their priority. They never seemed to me, to be players who were focused on building something special here. Now BT is basically bent over a barrel with these guys. I wonder how good he is at squealing like a pig?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If you're a hockey player that doesn't care about winning, if you just want to get paid, Toronto is the place for you.

Which is why I'm surprised Nylander hasn't signed a new deal yet. I would have thought he'd be at Treliving's doorstep the stroke of midnight July 1st. I guess little Mr. Grubby Hands is too busy raving than worrying about his next contract.

The party didn't stop at twelve for this Cinderella.

When Tavares signed it was rumoured he turned down a $13M offer from another team to play here. Tavares took a pay cut to come to Toronto. Quite the contrast between Nylander's holdout and extortionist negotiation tactics.

Goes a long way to show who really wants to be here and who's just in it for the money.

I've never seen a player so disengaged at times as Nylander. He makes lazy cowards look brave and energized. He's got one dimension, all offense.

Nylander's so one dimensional he embarasses a line.

Sorry guys, I just want to float around the ice and score points. I have a contract to live up to. I don't care about the final score, if we win or if we lose.

I just want to get paid.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

If you're a hockey player that doesn't care about winning, if you just want to get paid, Toronto is the place for you.

Which is why I'm surprised Nylander hasn't signed a new deal yet. I would have thought he'd be at Treliving's doorstep the stroke of midnight July 1st. I guess little Mr. Grubby Hands is too busy raving than worrying about his next contract.

The party didn't stop at twelve for this Cinderella.

When Tavares signed it was rumoured he turned down a $13M offer from another team to play here. Tavares took a pay cut to come to Toronto. Quite the contrast between Nylander's holdout and extortionist negotiation tactics.

Goes a long way to show who really wants to be here and who's just in it for the money.

I've never seen a player so disengaged at times as Nylander. He makes lazy cowards look brave and energized. He's got one dimension, all offense.

Nylander's so one dimensional he embarasses a line.

Sorry guys, I just want to float around the ice and score points. I have a contract to live up to. I don't care about the final score, if we win or if we lose.

I just want to get paid.

They have lots of time to sign him. No reason to insult the guy, cause he hasn't signed yet.

 

[Westlander]

If you're a hockey player that doesn't care about winning, if you just want to get paid, Toronto is the place for you.

Which is why I'm surprised Nylander hasn't signed a new deal yet. I would have thought he'd be at Treliving's doorstep the stroke of midnight July 1st. I guess little Mr. Grubby Hands is too busy raving than worrying about his next contract.

The party didn't stop at twelve for this Cinderella.

When Tavares signed it was rumoured he turned down a $13M offer from another team to play here. Tavares took a pay cut to come to Toronto. Quite the contrast between Nylander's holdout and extortionist negotiation tactics.

Goes a long way to show who really wants to be here and who's just in it for the money.

I've never seen a player so disengaged at times as Nylander. He makes lazy cowards look brave and energized. He's got one dimension, all offense.

Nylander's so one dimensional he embarasses a line.

Sorry guys, I just want to float around the ice and score points. I have a contract to live up to. I don't care about the final score, if we win or if we lose.

I just want to get paid.

It might be that we have to move on from Nylander.

You don’t like his style, fine; but the level of contempt you seem to have for him is nowhere near justified.

Of the big 4 he’s provided the best value for money and unlike some, he at least maintains his level of play in the postseason. What you see is what you get.

Not every player goes charging around like Clark or Tucker, does that make them a coward?

 

[freshwind]

I wonder if a ntc or nmc is at the heart of the issue?
Remember, last time his concern was also that if he signed a good deal that he would be moved?
Initial rumours were he wasn't looking for the moon so I wonder if this is the crux of the matter currently?

 

[notbias]

I wonder if a ntc or nmc is at the heart of the issue?
Remember, last time his concern was also that if he signed a good deal that he would be moved?
Initial rumours were he wasn't looking for the moon so I wonder if this is the crux of the matter currently?

Would seem like a no-brainer to try to accommodate him, so doubt that is the issue.

Unlike this board, the GMs of the NHL know that NMC and NTC are common amongst stars.

Over 50% of Calgary's roster has a NMC or a NTC, Treliving is not shy about handing them out.

 

[Boxscore]

When Tavares signed it was rumoured he turned down a $13M offer from another team to play here. Tavares took a pay cut to come to Toronto.

Please with Tavares lol. His signing is the reason we are in this mess. 11 mil was a big overpayment for him regardless if it was true or not that the crummy Sharks offered him 13 mil. The Leafs should have offered 9.5 max and let Tavares choose between playing at home in Toronto or for the bottom feeder Sharks.

Tavares did the Leafs no favors. When he signed for 11 mil x 8 he was the 2nd largest cap hit in the NHL behind McDavid, which is comical for a dude who won nothing and his career max in points was 86. Like I said, the following year, Kucherov commits to the Bolts for 9.5 x 8 after winning the Hart and scoring 126 points -- that is what you call giving your team a discount. 11 for Tavares was a joke the second it happened. The chain reaction was the younger core licking their chops for big pay days after the Leafs paid 11 mil for an outsider.

 

[Martin Skoula]

2 sides far apart on day 1 of negotiations. Wow, shocking.


Nylander will retire a Leaf.

If this is day 1 of negotiations everyone involved needs to be fired immediately and an inquiry if we can get a refund on their salary paid to date needs to be started.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Overpaid styles is better than slow Tavares

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Please with Tavares lol. His signing is the reason we are in this mess. 11 mil was a big overpayment for him regardless if it was true or not that the crummy Sharks offered him 13 mil. The Leafs should have offered 9.5 max and let Tavares choose between playing at home in Toronto or for the bottom feeder Sharks.

Tavares did the Leafs no favors. When he signed for 11 mil x 8 he was the 2nd largest cap hit in the NHL behind McDavid, which is comical for a dude who won nothing and his career max in points was 86. Like I said, the following year, Kucherov commits to the Bolts for 9.5 x 8 after winning the Hart and scoring 126 points -- that is what you call giving your team a discount. 11 for Tavares was a joke the second it happened. The chain reaction was the younger core licking their chops for big pay days after the Leafs paid 11 mil for an outsider.

We also don't know the term San Jose offered Tavares. For all we know it was 13 x 4. The usual suspects love to use such rumors to rationalize the unprecedented dramatic overpayments.

Tavares averaged as a low 30 goal ppg player. The fact that he was the 2nd highest cap hit in the league for even one second is quite frankly shocking. How much are ppg players getting on the open market today? We're seeing 100 point players signing for less than 10, let alone (lol) 13.

Nylanders stats the past 2 seasons are BETTER than Tavares final two seasons before becoming a ufa. Is anybody going to offer Nylander 13 mil?

 

[Boxscore]

We also don't know the term San Jose offered Tavares. For all we know it was 13 x 4. The usual suspects love to use such rumors to rationalize the unprecedented dramatic overpayments.

Tavares averaged as a low 30 goal ppg player. The fact that he was the 2nd highest cap hit in the league for even one second is quite frankly shocking. How much are ppg players getting on the open market today? We're seeing 100 point players signing for less than 10, let alone (lol) 13.

Nylanders stats the past 2 seasons are BETTER than Tavares final two seasons before becoming a ufa. Is anybody going to offer Nylander 13 mil?

Correct. It doesn't even matter what San Jose offered -- they were a desperate team with zero direction. If that was the leverage Tavares was holding over Shanny and Dubas they should have laughed it off. Tavares was a luxury for this team -- he should have signed here on our terms, not his.

 

[al secord]

The amount of years as a fan of this team where I wished we could've been in a "mess" like we're in lol.

 

[kevsh]

Of the big 4 he’s provided the best value for money and unlike some, he at least maintains his level of play in the postseason.

This is it, and I think a big part is maturity.

He doesn't pout after a loss, doesn't smile at guys while he's getting a face full of glove or strut into the locker room like he owns the place (unlike two of his teammates - take a wild guess - who I've seen doing exactly that).

He's frustrating at times, streaky and ignores the physical game like it's the plague but he has been pretty solid come playoff time and that is something this team needs more of, not less.

If he could just ease off a bit on his demands I'd keep him in a heartbeat over Marner, but as long as he's demanding full value - and I'm just assuming this based on his last contract negotiation - and that is likely high 9s or higher, he probably has to be moved.

 

[dubey]

The amount of years as a fan of this team where I wished we could've been in a "mess" like we're in lol.

yep

people say this team is in crisis but most are just crying out for attention.

this team has pieces that could be moved that could dramatically reshape this team

 

[MK78]

this team has pieces that could be moved that could dramatically reshape this team

Most of which are hard to move because of full or partial no move clauses. The time has passed to trade them to whoever they wanted.

LIke how the hell do you give a guy like Kampf a partial no movement clause?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Tree definitely has his work cut out for him with the core 4. He’s at such a disadvantage and judging from the perceived personalities of the core players, they’re going to take full advantage of their position.

Building a winning team doesn’t seem like their priority. They never seemed to me, to be players who were focused on building something special here. Now BT is basically bent over a barrel with these guys. I wonder how good he is at squealing like a pig?

I think some posters are underestimating how f'ed up the Leafs situation is. Anyone that thought things would be fixed in 1 summer was dreaming. Yes we have talented players but the greed of that talent combined with poor prior management has turned what should be a glorious time into a headache. It's like we skipped the party and went straight to the hangover.

 

[Deebo]

LIke how the hell do you give a guy like Kampf a partial no movement clause?

You should take a look at the names around the league that have some form of trade protection. there are 197 players with them.

Even Holl and Englvall got them on thier new deals.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Yeah I don't agree. At all.

You don't have to agree, but it is.

 

[thewave]

Yeah, it would be nice to see what Matthews wants.

He should definitely be making the most on the team.

Nylander should be making 3rd. most.

On most teams Nylander likely signs for around 8.5-9.0, but Leafs have a difference pay structure, and so each player probably wants to be compensated fairly within their team's structure.

It shouldn't be, but there is no indication there is any concern about the team flowing down from the top tier of player salaries. Tier 1 compensation is in the double digit category. None of them have shown any propensity to put the team first. That's the leadership of the team.


Neither of the pending UFA's players have signed, and we see no indication either one of them are close to signing.

Pastrnak signed for 8 years.
If we want to look around the league for comparables, Matthews would be in that grouping.
So Matthews should be looking between 11.2 and 12.5.

Nylander should be in the tier 2 category with Forsberg, Meier, Barzal.

Last 5 years:

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Last 2 years:

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Nylander with 77 goal and 167 pts in the past 2 years is nothing to sneeze at though. 77 Goals puts him in that top 8 at #6 from the second line.

He would argue second line opportunities aren't as good as first line just like Marner did at one point.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

You don't have to agree, but it is.

No it isn't.

 

[thewave]

This year in the playoffs
Nylander 4 goals 10 points -4
Marner 3 goals 14 points +7

But yeah Nylander brought it and Marner didn’t show up……

Game 3 Marner

Worst playoff performance in Leafs History