Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[ULF_55]

I do agree with you that the Matthews and Marner contracts are going to impede with Nylander's ask. He can ask for 10 million, that is in his right, but is there a team out there right now that have the assets AND the cap space to give him $10 million that he would go too? Because I don't think there is.

Also I wouldn't call Nylander's last contract a big discount at the time he signed it. It was just unfortunate for him that his contract was up before Matthews and Marner. His direct comparable at the time was Pastranak, who coming off a better season (if I recall correctly) than Nylander, signed for $6.6 whereas Nylander signed for slightly more at $6.9. I mean that's why it was so important to lock up our star players for long term as fast as possible back then, pay slightly more now, but get a long term deal done so that as they get better, the deal gets better. Unfortunately, that was just not the case with Matthews and Marner.

Actually lots of teams out there.

Cap is only the difference between players in and out.

Pittsburgh could do something like Rust, prospect, pick and the net difference is less than 5.
Canucks could do Boeser, prospect, pick and less than 4 difference.

Yeah, Leafs aren't getting the best player, but they don't want to pay for top talent anyway. For the Leafs its completely about getting Matthews and marner their money.

 

[Boxscore]

This is exactly what I mean. Loser-ish glorification of a failed era based on nolstagia.

Incorrect. The most enjoyable it was to be a Leafs fan was in the early-to-mid-90s after the Dougie Gilmour trade, and they didn't win it all. Those teams had heart, skills, passion, thrills, and absolutely despised losing. They were also coached by a bulldog general who motivated his players to go through wall for him.

Talk about a failed era? What defines failure more than having a team of spoiled brats who care more about scrapping for contract dollars than they do playoff wins? When these kids get bounced from the playoffs, they follow Bieber around and complain about the dress code. This is the epitome of loser-ish glorification.

 

[Boxscore]

Results are only part of the equation, it's THE WAY THEY LOSE that's the problem.
Zero balls, zero pushback, they want to dangle and toe drag and that weak shit doesn't fly in the playoffs.

This, exactly. And it's also what they do after they lose like this. There's no anger, resentment, commitment to improvement, or sacrifice on the players part. It's more of the same entitled, ho-hum, "pay me more money" attitude.

When has Matthews, Marner, Tavares, or Nylander truly called themselves or their teammates out in a post game presser? When has Matthews gotten in machine-like condition and publicly challenge his teammates to take their diets and conditioning more seriously, like Nate MacKinnon did? When has Marner spent his entire summer taking 1,000 slap shots a day to improve his goal scoring the way Sidney Crosby did? When has Matthews spent his summer taking face-offs for 5 hours a day like Crosby did?

This core acts like a bunch of spoiled, rich kids who were handed the keys to the Ferrari and a credit card with no limit. It's embarrassing.

 

[MCR74]

There is nothing wrong with something like this.

It’s about the team, not the players. Don’t get too attached, players change often. The team remains.

It’s very hard for me to think anyone except Matthews is irreplaceable on this team. They haven’t performed, what exactly are we so concerned about moving on from some of these guys who have ya gone anywhere?

It’s not like they disappear into thin air and we have nothing to show for it. You get players back. Maybe great ones, maybe fan favorites, maybe winners

Agreed. If they want too much money, trade them asap. For all I care, Marner and Nylander can disappear in the playoffs on a different team.

 

[thusk]

Marner is the guy you build around? All his 2023 playoff points were from 40+' from the net...except two points and both the points he was closer than 35', Matthews and Nylander created the play and Marner was given the puck on a platter and just needed to make the easy unmolested touch pass. According to a stat I found, only 10% of nhl goals were scored from 40+ range in 2019, which is the area Marner lives in the playoffs.

Looks like we are banking on Dubas systems being the problem and not Marner.

You know big part of nylander pts was from distance too?

Like isaid marner doing a lot of little thing. he play defence 1st and attack 2nd. the goal is not only try to win 4-3 all the time... win 1-0 or 2-1 having as much value than a 8-7 win.

With marner you can build a pretty solid 2 way team who can play in every type of game. Can he be better for sure and i already said it by the past, he need to drive his own line away of matthews. When hes playing with matthews, he was playing too much for matthews

Plays pretty damn good hockey when he plays for Team Sweden.

Yes hes an amaizing skater so in internationnal ice, its kind of player who will benefit of it.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Yes hes an amaizing skater so in internationnal ice, its kind of player who will benefit of it.

That's very possible too.

 

[robertmac43]

Sucks but this is looking more and more like a good bye....

 

[ULF_55]

Sucks but this is looking more and more like a good bye....

That would be the most fair thing for everyone.

Nylander gets to play on a team, and Leafs get to keep keep their marketing plan.

 

[Trapper]

That would be the most fair thing for everyone.

Nylander gets to play on a team, and Leafs get to keep keep their marketing plan.

It’s ironic that after years of the same failures, everyone asking for change (core, cap) it kept getting it run back.

Now the actual change may happen by the ones people love and can’t live without (Dubas, Nylander) because they forced the hand. Keefe hasn’t forced anyone’s hand either.

The only reason there is change is because they keep wanting more.

 

[baton elevated]

This, exactly. And it's also what they do after they lose like this. There's no anger, resentment, commitment to improvement, or sacrifice on the players part. It's more of the same entitled, ho-hum, "pay me more money" attitude.

When has Matthews, Marner, Tavares, or Nylander truly called themselves or their teammates out in a post game presser? When has Matthews gotten in machine-like condition and publicly challenge his teammates to take their diets and conditioning more seriously, like Nate MacKinnon did? When has Marner spent his entire summer taking 1,000 slap shots a day to improve his goal scoring the way Sidney Crosby did? When has Matthews spent his summer taking face-offs for 5 hours a day like Crosby did?

This core acts like a bunch of spoiled, rich kids who were handed the keys to the Ferrari and a credit card with no limit. It's embarrassing.

Interesting you bring up AM's conditioning. When Bab's was here he got 18 min of ice time, believe it was cause of his lack of conditioning. There were many times when the camera zooms in on the bench and AM is was hunched over. He has nat

 

[4thline]

Incorrect. The most enjoyable it was to be a Leafs fan was in the early-to-mid-90s after the Dougie Gilmour trade, and they didn't win it all. Those teams had heart, skills, passion, thrills, and absolutely despised losing. They were also coached by a bulldog general who motivated his players to go through wall for him.

Talk about a failed era? What defines failure more than having a team of spoiled brats who care more about scrapping for contract dollars than they do playoff wins? When these kids get bounced from the playoffs, they follow Bieber around and complain about the dress code. This is the epitome of loser-ish glorification.

I'm going to go ahead and say that for those old enough to remember it the 60's were more enjoyable than the 90's

You're missing the point. The Dubas era was failed too. Burns/Fletcher, Quinn, Dubas, all failures. Leaf fans have decided to glorify their favourite losers because most of us don't have any winners to remember.

 

[baton elevated]

Oops. He has natural talent no doubt but is far from a gym rat

 

[New User Name]

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 on the Leafs if Matthews and Marner are poised to make 12 and 13. And if I’m his agent, no way I’m not going hard after it.

Nylander just gave you the big discount relative to them last time. He’s spent the last 5 years watching them make 4 million more.

Exactly. it all started with Shanahans stupid comments about players taking less to build a winner.

Probably one of the stupidest comments coming for a supposed intelligent executive.

The problem was never Dubas. It was Shanahan all the time.

On a completely unrelated subject why does my AVG pop up telling me they've aborted a problem on this site every time I reload the page?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

That would be the most fair thing for everyone.

Nylander gets to play on a team, and Leafs get to keep keep their marketing plan.

That pretty much sums it up. The brand is more important to the higher-ups than the success or failure on the ice. Problem for people like me is that I don't own shares in MLSE so I don't benefit from anything brand-wise.

I have to tell you, spending a few years following the team casually at most...it's underrated lol.

 

[ULF_55]

Something like:

Coleman and Zadorov
for
Nylander

Neither one are going to be chasing big money, so fits with the Leafs Triple D'ohhh.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Something like:

Coleman and Zadorov
for
Nylander

Neither one are going to be chasing big money, so fits with the Leafs Triple D'ohhh.

I think I'd jump into an active volcano.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The whole Nylander shouldn't be paid 4 million less then Matthews thing kind of goes into the fire if there is no other team in the league that is also willing to pay him 10-11 million on a long term deal. Like Willy's camp absolutely has some leverage in this situation but if they f*** around with a generous offer and Willy ends up a FA it might not work out quite like they think it will.

 

[ULF_55]

The whole Nylander shouldn't be paid 4 million less then Matthews thing kind of goes into the fire if there is no other team in the league that is also willing to pay him 10-11 million on a long term deal. Like Willy's camp absolutely has some leverage in this situation but if they f*** around with a generous offer and Willy ends up a FA it might not work out quite like they think it will.

He'll get around $9mm from many teams.

Maybe one team with space steps up and pays a little more.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

He'll get around $9mm from many teams.

Maybe one team with space steps up and pay a little more.

Sebastian Aho is about to sign 9.5x8 years. He is a better version of Nylander that plays down the middle. If Nylander gets 9x8 he should be signing on the dotted line and be extremely happy with how he made out.

 

[capfit9]

Sebastian Aho is about to sign 9.5x8 years. He is a better version of Nylander that plays down the middle. If Nylander gets 9x8 he should be signing on the dotted line and be extremely happy with how he made out.

I’d be looking at trading him, some really good RFA d like Bouchard, K’Andre Miller, Dunn, Byram.

 

[PromisedLand]

Nylander for Tom Wilson (50% retained) + picks

get it done Treliving.

 

[BM14]

Know my favourite NSYNC song?

Bye bye bye bye.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Sebastian Aho is about to sign 9.5x8 years. He is a better version of Nylander that plays down the middle. If Nylander gets 9x8 he should be signing on the dotted line and be extremely happy with how he made out.

Treliving is probably offering 8.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Treliving is probably offering 8.

Probably closer to his true value then 10-11.

 

[Menzinger]

It’s ironic that after years of the same failures, everyone asking for change (core, cap) it kept getting it run back.

Now the actual change may happen by the ones people love and can’t live without (Dubas, Nylander) because they forced the hand. Keefe hasn’t forced anyone’s hand either.

The only reason there is change is because they keep wanting more.

Though, let's face it, for those wanting change, this is pretty much the least radical/impactful outcome of that short of trading Rielly. They'd focus on another player or two if they really wanted to shake things up