Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Hockeysawks]

What team is more universally loved, this core of nonchalant, character-less stars or Quinn's teams that included Roberts, Tucker, Corson, Sundin?? Absolute f***ing warriors that would run through walls to beat far better Senator teams. Those playoff series made me happier cause players showed passion and heart, even if the end goal was not ultimately obtained.

And by the way yes, I would generally prefer that they win at least a round every year rather than them losing in the first round every year...why is this so incredibly complex to understand bro? Please take your meds and may god have mercy on your soul.


Willie turns into prime f***ing Lindros on Team Sweden when he's mowing down Japan & Latvia

Those guys finished ahead of the Sens every year but one and had twice the payroll.

 

[Nineteen67]

I said financially. NCAA baseball has no national appeal down south. Football and basketball are the only revenue generators, and the Big 10 has a better media deal.

The SEC was already in Texas and by extension Oklahoma. They were stupid to expand. The Big Ten will add the huge California market, and eventually the fast-growing Virginia and North Carolina markets when the ACC inevitably implodes. The SEC is trapped geographically, and therefore will always be #2 at best.

(Sorry for boring the rest of you.)

Basketball generates revenue for NCAA.

Football and baseball generate for the conferences where the SEC is the dominant king. They win those national championship every year. Even Ole Miss and MS State won the CWS b2b yrs.

The SEC is the 70s Canadians, 80 Islanders and Oilers those yank and hippie conference are the Leafs and Jets.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well the team seems to do a lot better defensively when that 1 guy Marner is on the ice than that other 1 guy Nylander.

It’s funny if Nylander is great in the playoffs and Marner disappears why doesn’t that show up statistically?

Because they are NOT the only leaf on the ice - try to keep up.

And it does show statistically (and with the eye test), as has been demonstrated multiple times. Why doesn't it register with some fans?

 

[4thline]

What team is more universally loved, this core of nonchalant, character-less stars or Quinn's teams that included Roberts, Tucker, Corson, Sundin?? Absolute f***ing warriors that would run through walls to beat far better Senator teams. Those playoff series made me happier cause players showed passion and heart, even if the end goal was not ultimately obtained.

This is exactly what I mean. Loser-ish glorification of a failed era based on nolstagia.
A. 3 of the 4 Battles of Ontario we were the higher seed, but hey, let's lionize those absolute f***ing warriors as the underdogs they weren't, better story eh?
B. Sundin- the heartless Euro that couldn't lead us over the hump? What about slapshot on a penalty shot Robert Reichel? The even hated Renberg, Hoglund and Berg? Those were not universally loved teams.

The playoffs were fun while they lasted. They were more likeable teams yes. But no Leafs fan was actually satisfied at the result at the time. Losing is (or was- seems the bar is getting lowered) losing. The playoff results of the last five years absolutely sucked, but it would not be viewed any more favourably if it was 2nd round losses.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Basketball generates revenue for NCAA.

Football and baseball generate for the conferences where the SEC is the dominant king. They win those national championship every year. Even Ole Miss and MS State won the CWS b2b yrs.

The SEC is the 70s Canadians, 80 Islanders and Oilers those yank and hippie conference are the Leafs and Jets.

No wonder the South lost the war.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Was 12.

Beat Montreal in our Centennial Year.

That empty net goal ... wow.

It was such a long time ago.

I was 14.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

This is exactly what I mean. Loser-ish glorification of a failed era based on nolstagia.
A. 3 of the 4 Battles of Alberta we were the higher seed, but hey, let's lionize those absolute f***ing warriors as the underdogs they weren't, better story eh?
B. Sundin- the heartless Euro that couldn't lead us over the hump? What about slapshot on a penalty shot Robert Reichel? The even hated Renberg, Hoglund and Berg? Those were not universally loved teams.

The playoffs were fun while they lasted. They were more likeable teams yes. But no Leafs fan was actually satisfied at the result at the time. Losing is (or was- seems the bar is getting lowered) losing. The playoff results of the last five years absolutely sucked, but it would not be viewed any more favourably if it was 2nd round losses.

You're wrong, winning one round in 7 years is objectively worse than winning 8 rounds in 7 years. Enjoy that regular season success though

 

[TIGERCOOL]

Love Will but if his ask is as high as it sounds I'd consider moving him and signing Bertuzzi long term.

 

[Gabriel426]

Would be nice if Willie comes out and sign for 8.88mil for 8 years. But more likely he is traded to another team

 

[TheRumble]

We needed to play hardball with Nylander so we could afford Kampf and Ryan Reaves.

Brilliant front office.

 

[Leaffan1991]

I wouldn't be opposed to getting some good assets(top 3 D and a top forward prospect or guy on ELC) and then adding Bertuzzi as well with the extra money.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

If Willie is demanding double figures then it's time to trade him. Pick up a bunch of young assets and use the money to sign a replacement + fill other needs.

 

[KapG]

Don’t worry guys we gonna get matthews re-signed on a 3-4 year deal.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Where is this narrative that Willy gave us some "steal" on his current contract? Is it just because he is the only one out of the big 3 that didn't sign a contract that is just wildly outside any comparable anywhere else in the league? We didn't get some massive steal on his last contract, it was an over pay at the time he signed it and he continued to improve over the life of it to the point we got value at the back half. Willy absolutely did not give us a break on it though lol

 

[Menzinger]

Where is this narrative that Willy gave us some "steal" on his current contract? Is it just because he is the only one out of the big 3 that didn't sign a contract that is just wildly outside any comparable anywhere else in the league? We didn't get some massive steal on his last contract, it was an over pay at the time he signed it and he continued to improve over the life of it to the point we got value at the back half. Willy absolutely did not give us a break on it though lol

It's not so much that he gave the team a break. It's more so he eventually signed roughly in the expected range. While other guys ended up signing beyond what folks thought.

One could go back and forth on the specific terms of the RFA deal he signed, but broadly speaking he was right within a couple hundred k of almost every prediction. Which potentially could be a good sign for his eventual UFA contract in terms of predictions

 

[Kalaish26]

Please don't trade Willie. I don't care how they do it, but we need to get him under 9 for 8 years.

 

[Trapper]

Please don't trade Willie. I don't care how they do it, but we need to get him under 9 for 8 years.

Under 9?
Do you think Nylander is worth 4 million less than Matthews or Marner?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Under 9?
Do you think Nylander is worth 4 million less than Matthews or Marner?

A 4 million difference between him and Matthews feels about right

Before any speculation I would've had him roughly at 9 and Matthews at 13

 

[Kalaish26]

Under 9?
Do you think Nylander is worth 4 million less than Matthews or Marner?

Relative to the market I think around a hair under 9 (maybe 8.95) would be fair for both sides. Relative to the Leafs? The sky is the limit

 

[Trapper]

Relative to the market I think around a hair under 9 (maybe 8.95) would be fair for both sides. Relative to the Leafs? The sky is the limit

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 on the Leafs if Matthews and Marner are poised to make 12 and 13. And if I’m his agent, no way I’m not going hard after it.

Nylander just gave you the big discount relative to them last time. He’s spent the last 5 years watching them make 4 million more.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Love Will but if his ask is as high as it sounds I'd consider moving him and signing Bertuzzi long term.

Moving Willie skill set is gonna really affect the Leafs offence. Tavares and Matthews numbers will go down. And you know, those guys aren't capable of raising their game. when needed.

 

[Strangle]

If Willie is demanding double figures then it's time to trade him. Pick up a bunch of young assets and use the money to sign a replacement + fill other needs.

There is nothing wrong with something like this.

It’s about the team, not the players. Don’t get too attached, players change often. The team remains.

It’s very hard for me to think anyone except Matthews is irreplaceable on this team. They haven’t performed, what exactly are we so concerned about moving on from some of these guys who have ya gone anywhere?

It’s not like they disappear into thin air and we have nothing to show for it. You get players back. Maybe great ones, maybe fan favorites, maybe winners

 

[Leafidelity]

Doesn't sound like its going great between the Leafs front office and anybody but 4th liners

 

[Da Mash]

Kampf was a bit over paid and if we sign Reeves it’s a huge mistake

 

[Kalaish26]

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 on the Leafs if Matthews and Marner are poised to make 12 and 13. And if I’m his agent, no way I’m not going hard after it.

Nylander just gave you the big discount relative to them last time. He’s spent the last 5 years watching them make 4 million more.

I do agree with you that the Matthews and Marner contracts are going to impede with Nylander's ask. He can ask for 10 million, that is in his right, but is there a team out there right now that have the assets AND the cap space to give him $10 million that he would go too? Because I don't think there is.

Also I wouldn't call Nylander's last contract a big discount at the time he signed it. It was just unfortunate for him that his contract was up before Matthews and Marner. His direct comparable at the time was Pastranak, who coming off a better season (if I recall correctly) than Nylander, signed for $6.6 whereas Nylander signed for slightly more at $6.9. I mean that's why it was so important to lock up our star players for long term as fast as possible back then, pay slightly more now, but get a long term deal done so that as they get better, the deal gets better. Unfortunately, that was just not the case with Matthews and Marner.