Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[PromisedLand]

LMAO O-dog has had it with the Willy fanboys

 

[4thline]

That’s BS, most would be happy if they made it to the ECF or Stanley Cup Final, at least show something.

The Leafs break the drought in 2032.

Does anyone care about the number of "round wins" from the Vaive years vs the Clark years vs the Sundin years vs. the Matthews years? Or are those all losing teams with all but the stars and true fan favourites gone from memory, completely overshadowed by a team that wins?

Alternatively (assuming you're old enough to remember), when they were actually happening, were you happy with Quinn's "round wins" or frustrated that we never really measured up to the power houses of the league and never had a realistic shot at the cup

Alternatively, the last 7 years are 6 straight 2nd round losses and finally one 3rd, are we actually any more satisfied with the result? No.

 

[BallardEra]

The Leafs break the drought in 2032.

Does anyone care about the number of "round wins" from the Vaive years vs the Clark years vs the Sundin years vs. the Matthews years? Or all those all losing teams with all but the stars and true fan favourites gone from memory, completely overshadowed by a team that wins?

Alternatively (assuming you're old enough to remember), when they were actually happening, were you happy with Quinn's "round wins" or frustrated that we never really measured up to the power houses of the league and never had a realistic shot at the cup

Been there and saw it all. Just win an effing Cup already!

 

[ULF_55]

The Leafs break the drought in 2032.

Does anyone care about the number of "round wins" from the Vaive years vs the Clark years vs the Sundin years vs. the Matthews years? Or are those all losing teams with all but the stars and true fan favourites gone from memory, completely overshadowed by a team that wins?

Alternatively (assuming you're old enough to remember), when they were actually happening, were you happy with Quinn's "round wins" or frustrated that we never really measured up to the power houses of the league and never had a realistic shot at the cup

Alternatively, the last 7 years are 6 straight 2nd round losses and finally one 3rd, are we actually any more satisfied with the result? No.

You mean 6 straight 1st. round losses, one 2nd. round loss?

Or are you talking about another team?

 

[justashadowof]

Playoffs whatever. Gimme some of those sweet sweet 82 regular season games. It's the samey-ness that makes it extra special. When you can't even remember the opponent, that's the best. Personally love me those ones where they coast through the first two periods then turn it on half way through the 3rd to pull out a win or a loser point. I can't get enough of that.

Stories to share with the grandkids: "They barely had 15 shots on goal in the 1st and 2nd periods. Then out of no where with about 10 minutes remaining they starting flying and won the match 3-2 over who's-it team on a goal by that guy with the great wrist shot setup by the other guy who kind of skated hunched over."

"Grandad, did they win the championship?"

"I don't really remember but on that brisk November night that team from Salt Lake City sure were surprised to lose that 2-0 lead in the 3rd period. Such great memories those are."

 

[4thline]

The Leafs break the drought in 2032.


You mean 6 straight 1st. round losses, one 2nd. round loss?

Or are you talking about another team?

Same team, hypothetical consistent losing result that would have accumulated more "round wins"

 

[ULF_55]

Playoffs whatever. Gimme some of those sweet sweet 82 regular season games. It's the samey-ness that makes it extra special. When you can't even remember the opponent, that's the best. Personally love me those ones where they coast through the first two periods then turn it on half way through the 3rd to pull out a win or a loser point. I can't get enough of that.

Stories to share with the grandkids: "They barely had 15 shots on goal in the 1st and 2nd periods. Then out of no where with about 10 minutes remaining they starting flying and won the match 3-2 over who's-it team on a goal by that guy with the great wrist shot setup by the other guy who kind of skated hunched over."

"Grandad, did they win the championship?"

"I don't really remember but on that brisk November night that team from Salt Lake City sure were surprised to lose that 2-0 lead in the 3rd period. Such great memories those are."

Was 12.

Beat Montreal in our Centennial Year.

That empty net goal ... wow.

It was such a long time ago.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The Leafs break the drought in 2032.

Does anyone care about the number of "round wins" from the Vaive years vs the Clark years vs the Sundin years vs. the Matthews years? Or are those all losing teams with all but the stars and true fan favourites gone from memory, completely overshadowed by a team that wins?

Alternatively (assuming you're old enough to remember), when they were actually happening, were you happy with Quinn's "round wins" or frustrated that we never really measured up to the power houses of the league and never had a realistic shot at the cup

Alternatively, the last 7 years are 6 straight 2nd round losses and finally one 3rd, are we actually any more satisfied with the result? No.

Results are only part of the equation, it's THE WAY THEY LOSE that's the problem.
Zero balls, zero pushback, they want to dangle and toe drag and that weak shit doesn't fly in the playoffs. They were a far superior team than Florida, guess what, Panthers manhandled them and the Leafs played scared shitless.

There are two seasons, regular season and playoffs. Right now we're only built for regular season success which means until major changes happen or our zebras decide to change their stripes, we'll never go on a deep run.

 

[IPS]

How is that our players are so good we cant keep them because of the cap... yet we can't beat anyone?

It's the great Leafs paradox that nobody seems to have an answer for.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner is the guy you building around because hes playing the right way

Who the 1st guy to backchecking?
Who the last foward moving out of offensive zone?
Whos rhe 1st guy to come help the d when they struggle in transition game ?

Marner made a lot of small thing all the time we dont really see, who doesn't appear on scoresheet but extremely important.


Nylander had been on the ice for 9 of 16 5v5 goal (with 1 empty net goal), you can easily find it

Game
Gm#2 when his 4 teammate was working to get back a bouncing puck, whats nylander did? Was outside of defensive, was wait and see... if hes doing the same thing of his teammate, this goal never happened

Gm 2 tb goal #1 he made a great backcheck a was in perfect position to protect the middle ice, holl goes on kucherov, gio pinched stamkos and what nylander did unstead and bloxking passing lane in middle ice? For no reason, he pinched on Stamkos too and gave up all space of the world to cole and point...

Gm 3 # 1 goal... just soft backcheck

Goal #3 wait and see, he just had to pressure Raddysh and he would never had any chance to score.

Gm 4 gm #2... him and tavares was cheating ... jt stick at blue line with D, nylander move out of leafs zone when leafs never be close to have control of the puck. After he tried to repair his mistake by an other one and get caugh to be too low allowing all space of the world to Sergachev... everything happening because he tried to cheat offensivly.

Gm 6# only tampa goal, let Stamkos all alone in front of the net to rush on D eithout the puck...

Still imaginary? 6 of 15 ( i removed the empty net goal) could be avoid by nylander commit defensivly


By driving if you meaning cheating defensivly to try to get as much of possible breakway or huge offensive situation youre 100% right

Marner is the guy you build around? All his 2023 playoff points were from 40+' from the net...except two points and both the points he was closer than 35', Matthews and Nylander created the play and Marner was given the puck on a platter and just needed to make the easy unmolested touch pass. According to a stat I found, only 10% of nhl goals were scored from 40+ range in 2019, which is the area Marner lives in the playoffs.

Looks like we are banking on Dubas systems being the problem and not Marner.

 

[4thline]

Results are only part of the equation, it's THE WAY THEY LOSE that's the problem.
Zero balls, zero pushback, they want to dangle and toe drag and that weak shit doesn't fly in the playoffs. They were a far superior team than Florida, guess what, Panthers manhandled them and the Leafs played scared shitless.

There are two seasons, regular season and playoffs. Right now we're only built for regular season success which means until major changes happen or our zebras decide to change their stripes, we'll never go on a deep run.

Sooooo, cant answer any of those honestly without conceding how pathetic glorifying "round wins" is?

 

[IPS]

You know, it occurs to me. The Leafs haven't won anything with their current fans. Maybe the Leafs should replace those fans.

Blaming the fanbase is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Some are hoping for the hound line I'm sure.

Russ Courtnall sucks!

I, for one, can't wait to go back to mediocrity

I call that Etobicoke.

Heck, SEC football and baseball blow the NHL out of the water.

Not in this country or this forum.

How about the big four
NFL
SEC
MLB
NHL

SEC? Big 10 is bigger financially and got the much better adds in expansion.

 

[ULF_55]

Blaming the fanbase is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Yeah, some of us have helped them win Cups.

Youngsters just want to talk about advanced stats and think expected results are as important as game winning goals.

Hint ... they aren't. Charles Dickens is the only one who really benefited from Great Expectations.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Sooooo, cant answer any of those honestly without conceding how pathetic glorifying "round wins" is?

Considering your post was full of bullshit, I chose to ignore it Dekes:

Alternatively, the last 7 years are 6 straight 2nd round losses and finally one 3rd, are we actually any more satisfied with the result? No.

 

[Nineteen67]

Russ Courtnall sucks!

I call that Etobicoke.

Not in this country or this forum.

SEC? Big 10 is bigger financially and got the much better adds in expansion.

LoL out loud. They added two teams that are more valuable than the entire big yank division to go along with the rest of GOATs.

They’ve won every football and baseball title since Jesus was a boy

 

[4thline]

Considering your post was full of bullshit, I chose to ignore it Dekes:

Alternatively, the last 7 years are 6 straight 2nd round losses and finally one 3rd, are we actually any more satisfied with the result? No.

So you're going to honestly say that you'd be any happier with 6 straight second round losses instead of 6 straight 1st round? I call bullshit.

That you were truly happy watching us losing a couple weeks later under Quinn and viewed that as a successful era at the time? I call bullshit.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Lets be clear Nylander is an elite offensive player but its not a player your building a team around...its a complementary piece in a good team. Nylander is a phil Kessel new generation.

If you can fit him in your team and your cap space, its good but its not a player youre keeping whatever what.

Plays pretty damn good hockey when he plays for Team Sweden.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

So you're going to honestly say that you'd be any happier with 6 straight second round losses instead of 6 straight 1st round? I call bullshit.

That you were truly happy watching us losing a couple weeks later under Quinn and viewed that as a successful era at the time? I call bullshit.

What team is more universally loved, this core of nonchalant, character-less stars or Quinn's teams that included Roberts, Tucker, Corson, Sundin?? Absolute f***ing warriors that would run through walls to beat far better Senator teams. Those playoff series made me happier cause players showed passion and heart, even if the end goal was not ultimately obtained.

And by the way yes, I would generally prefer that they win at least a round every year rather than them losing in the first round every year...why is this so incredibly complex to understand bro? Please take your meds and may god have mercy on your soul.

Plays pretty damn good hockey when he plays for Team Sweden.

Willie turns into prime f***ing Lindros on Team Sweden when he's mowing down Japan & Latvia

 

[keonsbitterness]

LoL out loud. They added two teams that are more valuable than the entire big yank division to go along with the rest of GOATs.

They’ve won every football and baseball title since Jesus was a boy

I said financially. NCAA baseball has no national appeal down south. Football and basketball are the only revenue generators, and the Big 10 has a better media deal.

The SEC was already in Texas and by extension Oklahoma. They were stupid to expand. The Big Ten will add the huge California market, and eventually the fast-growing Virginia and North Carolina markets when the ACC inevitably implodes. The SEC is trapped geographically, and therefore will always be #2 at best.

(Sorry for boring the rest of you.)

 

[notDatsyuk]

So Marner had more points and better +/-,top PK,the guy out there to protect in the final minute of a game,Key PP guy and they both had 1 GWG each.

But you prefer Willy because he has more speed?
And how many extra wins did that get us?

And lets not forget that game breaking speed also resulted in a lot of chute pulling and strolls behind the net that resulted in passes to nowhere.

Leafs would miss Marner way more than Willy.

After the first three games, when the playing got tighter, Willy had more goals, as many points, as many even strength goals (in 10% less ice time), and more goals and 50% more points on the PP (where he had less than half the ice time, mostly on the second unit).

Also, are you aware that Willy would have had 2 GWGs to Mitch's 0 except for a late Florida goal, because of the way they assign GWGs (if they did it the way baseball does, Willy still would have had it).

Also, Marner led all forwards with 13 giveaways (and most per 60) but was only third with 9 takeaways (and per 60). Willy had more takeaways than giveaways.

Leafs would miss Willy way more than Mitch.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Willie turns into prime f***ing Lindros on Team Sweden when he's mowing down Japan & Latvia

When he has a legit team built by him. he goes, beast mode against all teams in those tourneys.

 

[al secord]

Yeah, some of us have helped them win Cups.

Youngsters just want to talk about advanced stats and think expected results are as important as game winning goals.

Hint ... they aren't. Charles Dickens is the only one who really benefited from Great Expectations.

Dickens references always win the interweb

 

[IPS]

Yeah, some of us have helped them win Cups.

Youngsters just want to talk about advanced stats and think expected results are as important as game winning goals.

Hint ... they aren't. Charles Dickens is the only one who really benefited from Great Expectations.

Well said.

 

[Schenn]

13 minutes until Bill has some trade protections. Hopefully they aren't needed.