Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[notbias]

I bring up Dubas because he is the one that created the cap hell where Nylander as reported is saying that he wants to be paid in the same neighbourhood of Matthews and Marner. I am sick of Dubas fans parroting the same BS philosophies of "we can and we will" garbage. Its a cap world it matters!

LOL depth definitely makes teh team better. The stars are not "worth it" if they fail to show up in the post season while making lion's share of the cap. It matters.

TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS matter more than so called "stars"

He said he wants to be paid in the same neighborhood as clearly superior players. Ship him out then, I hadn't seen that quote, mind posting it?

 

[PromisedLand]

Well your 7 year and 8 year examples, leave out what he would get, in his eighth year if he signed a 7 year somewhere else.
Would that number be 5 or 6 million on top of what he got in the 7 year deal.?

The rule is that at Max Nylander can sign only 7 years with any other team if he walks as a UFA.

Nylander will be 34 by the time his 7 years are done. I doubt Nylander will re-up for 5million to 6million AAV by then. In 7 years time there will be a lot of players in the league. No one knows or can guess what Nylander's output would be at age 34 and what his value would be by then.

He said he wants to be paid in the same neighborhood as clearly superior players. Ship him out then, I hadn't seen that quote, mind posting it?

There are no "quotes" there are only reports. They discussed it on TSN overdrive that Nylander's so called comparable are in the locker room with him i.e. Matthews and Marner

 

[notbias]

There are no "quotes" there are only reports. They discussed it on TSN overdrive that Nylander's so called comparable are in the locker room with him i.e. Matthews and Marner

So a bunch of people guessing? If he thinks he is on Marner's or Matthews' level, it's funny and he can leave.

This whole thread is getting worked up over nothing at this point.

 

[geo25]

Defensive structure isn't, and wasn't a problem.
Creating depth, doesn't create more scoring. Elite players do the bulk of your scoring. I'd love more depth though, along with elite players.
It is a team game, and if there is a deal out there, that improves the team... sure.. and if there isn't, no.
Our main issue this past playoffs, was Matthew's wrist. Fix his wrist, and we are good. If the wrist is toast, any and all trades won't make a difference.

Wanting change, for change, will never be a winning strategy.

When the core has failed so many consecutive times yes, it is time for a change...they've had their opportunity. Time to ship them out...

 

[notbias]

When the core has failed so many consecutive times yes, it is time for a change...they've had their opportunity. Time to ship them out...

They are approaching the same failure level as the Capitals or Colorado

 

[Rob Brown]

They are approaching the same failure level as the Capitals or Colorado

+ Tampa

I do love how many people expect a SC immediately and ignore the many examples of great teams that took a while to win.

 

[Fogelhund]

When the core has failed so many consecutive times yes, it is time for a change...they've had their opportunity. Time to ship them out...

If that’s your position, you certainly won’t be happy with will happen going forward. No management group would ever do such a thing, and history has proven time and again, that it can take a long time for a core to have success. Not that there can’t be changes, there can be, but to throw it all out, it isn’t working is never going to be the right answer.

 

[MagicalRazor]

Eklund at it again take with grain of salt lol

 

[Mckay]

Eklund at it again take with grain of salt lol

I'll take that with all the salt on Earth.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Pageau and Wahlstrom? I’d rather just keep him as a rental and let him walk in UFA. Laughable value

 

[Gabriel426]

Eklund at it again take with grain of salt lol
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Not interested with the Islanders unless Sorokin I coming back our way.
Caps, if it is Wilson with extension plus picks is not bad.
Ducks, too bad they didn’t draft Fantilli

 

[geo25]

If that’s your position, you certainly won’t be happy with will happen going forward. No management group would ever do such a thing, and history has proven time and again, that it can take a long time for a core to have success. Not that there can’t be changes, there can be, but to throw it all out, it isn’t working is never going to be the right answer.

Las Vegas says hi....56 years & counting!

 

[Fogelhund]

Eklund at it again take with grain of salt lol
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I mean if you are going to deal with the Islanders, you want players with term. I hear Engvall is a good winger and he has 7 years!!!

Las Vegas says hi....56 years & counting!

So do the Avalanche in two different generations, the Capitals, the Lightning, the Red Wings….

 

[geo25]

I mean if you are going to deal with the Islanders, you want players with term. I hear Engvall is a good winger and he has 7 years!!!



So do the Avalanche in two different generations, the Capitals, the Lightning, the Red Wings….

I know but still.....its like Chinese water torture

 

[Mess]

William Nylander's $10M asking price far exceeds the contracts of six of his peer comparables​

The William Nylander conundrum is going to rage on until he either signs a new contract or the Toronto Maple Leafs decide his demands are too rich for their blood and trade him away.

Rumours have him asking for $10M+, while the Leafs are far apart with their range being closer to what Timo Meier signed (8 years and a cap hit of $8.8 million). There is definitely room to wiggle around as Nylander could and should command upwards of $9 million, but if he doesn't budge and is insistent on $9.5M to more than $10M, then the Leafs might not have a choice.

There are some really good comparable players to Nylander around the NHL, production-wise, with the most important nugget here being that none of them own an AAV that exceeds $8 million. Of course the market changes on a yearly basis and whenever one player signs a deal, the next player gets slightly more, however there's a large discrepancy between what his comparables are making and what Nylander's asking for. The production is broken down by games played, goals scored and total points. Check out these comparisons.

Looking back at the past 3 seasons:

Connor still has 3 years left on a 7-year deal he signed back in 2019 with a cap hit of $7.142 million. Guentzel has 1 year left on a 5-year deal he signed back in 2018 with a cap hit of $6 million.

DeBrincat just signed a 4-year deal worth $7.875 million per season, Fiala is one year into a 7-year deal with a cap hit of $7.875 million, Buchnevich is 2 years into a 4-year deal with a cap hit of $5.8 million, and Reinhart is in the final year of a 3-year deal that has a cap hit of $6.5 million.

Nylander is coming into the final year of his 6-year deal that he signed back in 2018 with a cap hit of $6.9662 million. He is coming off two successive career-seasons, with the most recent being 40 goals and 87 points in 2022-23.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Dude...

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Can you imagine seeing Nylander in a Teal Sharks uniform? I would laugh so hard.

 

[Fogelhund]

William Nylander's $10M asking price far exceeds the contracts of six of his peer comparables​

The William Nylander conundrum is going to rage on until he either signs a new contract or the Toronto Maple Leafs decide his demands are too rich for their blood and trade him away.

Rumours have him asking for $10M+, while the Leafs are far apart with their range being closer to what Timo Meier signed (8 years and a cap hit of $8.8 million). There is definitely room to wiggle around as Nylander could and should command upwards of $9 million, but if he doesn't budge and is insistent on $9.5M to more than $10M, then the Leafs might not have a choice.

There are some really good comparable players to Nylander around the NHL, production-wise, with the most important nugget here being that none of them own an AAV that exceeds $8 million. Of course the market changes on a yearly basis and whenever one player signs a deal, the next player gets slightly more, however there's a large discrepancy between what his comparables are making and what Nylander's asking for. The production is broken down by games played, goals scored and total points. Check out these comparisons.

Looking back at the past 3 seasons:

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Connor still has 3 years left on a 7-year deal he signed back in 2019 with a cap hit of $7.142 million. Guentzel has 1 year left on a 5-year deal he signed back in 2018 with a cap hit of $6 million.

DeBrincat just signed a 4-year deal worth $7.875 million per season, Fiala is one year into a 7-year deal with a cap hit of $7.875 million, Buchnevich is 2 years into a 4-year deal with a cap hit of $5.8 million, and Reinhart is in the final year of a 3-year deal that has a cap hit of $6.5 million.

Nylander is coming into the final year of his 6-year deal that he signed back in 2018 with a cap hit of $6.9662 million. He is coming off two successive career-seasons, with the most recent being 40 goals and 87 points in 2022-23.

Banksy really is pretty clueless isn't he?

Kyle Connor signed in 2019, after a career high of 66 points. His contract is similar to Nylander's second contract, which interesting enough Connor's is 8.76%, the same as Nylander's.

Guentzel signed in 2018, after a career high of 48 points, for 7.55%.

You compare performance before a contract, what happens after is meaningless from a comparison perspective. This is straight up garbage sensationalism.

 

[Mess]

You compare performance before a contract, what happens after is meaningless from a comparison perspective. This is straight up garbage sensationalism.

The other side of sensationalism is realism..

There are 15 players in the NHL right now with a cap hit exceeding $10 million, but the thing that might cause the most ruckus is the fact that Auston Matthews is in line for a new deal in the same summer and then Mitch Marner will follow in the next year.

Nylander is currently looking at > $10 putting himself in that club of 15 which includes 3 of his own teammates AM, MM and JT.

Leafs would have 4 players in the top 16 highest AAV players in the NHL is beyond sensationalism, and outright lunacy, considering the team has one 1 single playoff round with these players.

When you compare his actual stats to Bansky list that doesn't scream NHL's elite group that Willy finds himself among.

 

[Fogelhund]

When you compare his actual stats to Bansky list that doesn't scream NHL's elite group that Willy finds himself among.

When you compare Willy's stats, to something that matters, which most certainly isn't Banky's list, you will see Willy's comparables are between $9.6 - $10.2. Whether a team should be so concentrated is another discussion altogether. The Banksy stuff is straight up garbage.

 

[Mess]

When you compare Willy's stats, to something that matters, which most certainly isn't Banky's list, you will see Willy's comparables are between $9.6 - $10.2. Whether a team should be so concentrated is another discussion altogether. The Banksy stuff is straight up garbage.

When you compare Nylander's stats to Alex DeBrincat who just signed his deal why don't you see those as fair comparables?

As players, DeBrincat and Nylander are extremely close comparables in terms of value. DeBrincat is a 2 time 40 goal scorer, Nylander scored 40 for the first time last season. Nylander is a career .825 points per game player, DeBrincat is .828ppg over his career. DeBrincat is also 2 years younger than Nylander. Both players are offence first, and neither bring any notable level of physicality to the table. Skilled players that put the puck in the net, but don't bring much else to the table.

Here's where they differ. With one year left on his current contract, Nylander is not budging off of his asking price of over $10M per season. DeBrincat just signed a 4 year deal paying him $7.875M per season. DeBrincat's deal will absolutely be used as a comparable by Brad Treliving and company as they try to hammer out an extension for their Swedish star.

 

[PromisedLand]

+ Tampa

I do love how many people expect a SC immediately and ignore the many examples of great teams that took a while to win.

Here is Tampa's results since 2003-04 season

Some other key notes:
1. Kucherov's 1st NHL season 2013-2014
2. Hedman's 1st NHL season 2009-2010
3. Point's 1st NHL season 2016-2017
4. Vasy's 1st NHL season 2015-2016

Too bad they only had 1 round win in their first 7 years together and had 10+ AAV cap hits on the roster eh?


People need to use "CONTEXT" when talking about other teams in comparison to teh Leafs.

 

[rocketman588]

Work on re-signing Nylander, and stay away from overpaid players from other teams.



In the playoffs, or do they not matter anymore? McCann is so overrated on here because people hate Dubas

He still didn't even outproduce him in the playoffs last year you just hate mccann because you think Dubas is a god for some reason

 

[Fogelhund]

When you compare Nylander's stats to Alex DeBrincat who just signed his deal why don't you see those as fair comparables?

Comparables are based on more than one contract, they are a consensus. My sources are EvolvingHockey and Capfriendly. Why don’t you see these as reliable sources over “Banksy”.

 

[Racer88]

If that’s your position, you certainly won’t be happy with will happen going forward. No management group would ever do such a thing, and history has proven time and again, that it can take a long time for a core to have success. Not that there can’t be changes, there can be, but to throw it all out, it isn’t working is never going to be the right answer.

Ya Vegas took forever to win the cup.
They won in basically less time then this core has been together.