Toggle sidebar

Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
tuckerintensity said:
12% works out to... roughly 10 million a season? Meaning as much as people here don't want to admit it, his agent isn't that far off?
Click to expand...

Leafs will be a perennial JOKE if hey continue to overpay the "pieces" that CHOKE in the playoffs when the going gets tough.

10 AAV is an overpayment for Nylander as far as Leafs are concerned. If he can get 10 AAV from another franchise; Leafs should be working a sign and trade scenario right about now.

Leafs can pay up front money almost 80 to 90 percent in signing bonuses i.e. fully buyout contract; not a lot of teams will be able to do it in the league. If Nylander is still stuck on 10 AAV then good for him; he can get it from someone else.

No more Dubas BS with the franchise. NO MORE!
 
  • Like
Reactions: leafan11 and geo25
PromisedLand said:
Leafs will be a perennial JOKE if hey continue to overpay the "pieces" that CHOKE in the playoffs when the going gets tough.

10 AAV is an overpayment for Nylander as far as Leafs are concerned. If he can get 10 AAV from another franchise; Leafs should be working a sign and trade scenario right about now.

Leafs can pay up front money almost 80 to 90 percent in signing bonuses i.e. fully buyout contract; not a lot of teams will be able to do it in the league. If Nylander is still stuck on 10 AAV then good for him; he can get it from someone else.

No more Dubas BS with the franchise. NO MORE!
Click to expand...
And you’d be satisfied with a similar return as DeBrincat?
 
Gary Nylund said:
And maybe if Matthews would sign for say 12.7 for 8 years, Willie would be willing to sign for 9-9.5 but he wants to see that happen first.

What if Matthews signs a 4 year deal for 13.88? Then Willie maybe says OK now I want 10.5.

I would be shocked to see Nylander sign before Matthews, I don't see it happening. Matthews needs to show some leadership here, everyone else will follow him.

Do you want to go to the cup finals Matty or are we heading straight for the bank?
Click to expand...
At this point, it's all about ego with these guys, and it's very disheartening and discouraging to be honest.
 
  • Like
Reactions: usernamezrhardtodo, aingefan and Gary Nylund
Fogelhund said:
And you’d be satisfied with a similar return as DeBrincat?
Click to expand...
Didn't Debrincat only have 1 destination he can go to?

The return for any of the core pievces isn't just the return but the cap space.

Take someone like Nylander who wants 10, who would you honestly rather have;
Domi-Bertuzzi locked up (Bert 6.5 and Domi 4) or Nylander at 10

So even if we got "a shitty return" for him (1st/2nd/B prospect), we still get the cap space
 
  • Like
Reactions: usernamezrhardtodo and geo25
mydnyte said:
I'd be tempted to move Marner off of PP1 as he isnt as much as a scoring threat
I'd like to Run:
Matthews - Tavares -Nylander - Bertuzzi - Klingberg

Use Bert in front of the net, JT in the high slot (and as the main forward QB) and Matthews/Nylander on their off wings for 1-timers

PP2:
Marner - Domi - Knies - Reilly ...and let Matthews double up, or slot in Jarnkrok
Click to expand...
Do posters today even have a brain anymore. Move one of the best playmakers in the league off your number 1 PP makes sense to me
 
  • Like
Reactions: therealkoho
NVious said:
Didn't Debrincat only have 1 destination he can go to?

The return for any of the core pievces isn't just the return but the cap space.

Take someone like Nylander who wants 10, who would you honestly rather have;
Domi-Bertuzzi locked up (Bert 6.5 and Domi 4) or Nylander at 10

So even if we got "a shitty return" for him (1st/2nd/B prospect), we still get the cap space
Click to expand...

Nylander, easily.

The other two have become the most overrated players on this board, they are more name than anything else.

PromisedLand said:
Leafs will be a perennial JOKE if hey continue to overpay the "pieces" that CHOKE in the playoffs when the going gets tough.

10 AAV is an overpayment for Nylander as far as Leafs are concerned. If he can get 10 AAV from another franchise; Leafs should be working a sign and trade scenario right about now.

Leafs can pay up front money almost 80 to 90 percent in signing bonuses i.e. fully buyout contract; not a lot of teams will be able to do it in the league. If Nylander is still stuck on 10 AAV then good for him; he can get it from someone else.

No more Dubas BS with the franchise. NO MORE!
Click to expand...

What are his comparables if 10 million is an overpayment?

What is the right contract? Not what feels right.
 
notbias said:
Nylander, easily.

The other two have become the most overrated players on this board, they are more name than anything else.



What are his comparables if 10 million is an overpayment?

What is the right contract? Not what feels right.
Click to expand...
It'll definitely be hard to replace the .8ppg in the playoffs who doesn't hit, block shots, fight or match his season totals (like the rest of them).

Very easily so they can get BTFO in the 1st round again. All of them (maybe with the exception fo Rielly) are overpaid losers, if we're gonna lose, I'd rather lose with someone else than these overpaid bozos who don't show up in the playoffs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: geo25
Ianturnedbull said:
Good trade. Nylander will likely be the best player in any trade, but can TOR bolster their roster with more lesser players to help them compete in the playoffs? I say yes.
Click to expand...

McCann is outproduced by Kerfoot and he is the best piece coming back, terrible, terrible trade.
 
  • Like
Reactions: freshwind
Ianturnedbull said:
Good trade. Nylander will likely be the best player in any trade, but can TOR bolster their roster with more lesser players to help them compete in the playoffs? I say yes.
Click to expand...

Is the guy who got booted to the 4th line by his coach in the playoffs the key missing piece?
 
You can't massively overpay him compared to every other comp again sorry.

Mitch is STILL above market value.

Ship his ass out of town before paying him 10 it'll just make the others rob us. Doing so will just double down on the absolutely ass contracts with the insane trade protection that were handed out

Let others reset the market not us
 
  • Like
Reactions: Clark4Ever, usernamezrhardtodo, geo25 and 1 other person
ToDavid said:
Is the guy who got booted to the 4th line by his coach in the playoffs the key missing piece?
Click to expand...
There's several players in the proposal.

Something tells me if I said Oví for Nylander many of you would say "this is a terrible trade".

notbias said:
Work on re-signing Nylander, and stay away from overpaid players from other teams.



In the playoffs, or do they not matter anymore? McCann is so overrated on here because people hate Dubas
Click to expand...
I've never overrated McCann in my life. This is not a 1 for 1 trade.
 
NVious said:
Didn't Debrincat only have 1 destination he can go to?

The return for any of the core pievces isn't just the return but the cap space.

Take someone like Nylander who wants 10, who would you honestly rather have;
Domi-Bertuzzi locked up (Bert 6.5 and Domi 4) or Nylander at 10

So even if we got "a shitty return" for him (1st/2nd/B prospect), we still get the cap space
Click to expand...

Nylander easily, each and every day of the week. Return is critical. If a great deal can be done, that helps us out... sure. If it's a Bjorkstrand, Larsson, Wright.. sure. If it's McCann, Olesiak, Tanev... umm hell no.

I mean, bitterness seems to be clouding judgement here.. the idea is for the team to get better, acknowledging it's weaknesses, and trying to build them. Throwing quality assets away for nothing, certainly will never achieve the goal of bettering them team.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CelticDruid
rocketman588 said:
Kerfoot had 40 fewer points then him and fewer playoff points in more games that's a stupid take.

Since he's gotten to the leafs he's outscored mcann once
Click to expand...

Only a one year sample size? Matthews and Marner are good playoff performers now I guess.

McCann has 6pts in 20 games, Kerfoot has 18 in 48.

Ianturnedbull said:
I've never overrated McCann in my life. This is not a 1 for 1 trade.
Click to expand...

What's the main piece coming back? I wouldn't do Nylander straight up for all that.

Trading him is fine, but not for that, let's get better.
 
notbias said:
What are his comparables if 10 million is an overpayment?

What is the right contract? Not what feels right.
Click to expand...

The right contract is the one that gives the "TEAM" the best chance at success.

Enough with the Dubas era bullcrap. This is a cap world; and Leafs have to do whatever it takes to give themselves a best chance. The best chance can be now or in the future.

If Leafs pay whatever Matthews, Nylander and in future Marner want; there will be nothing left for quality depth. Nylander has earned his right as a UFA to seek what he thinks he is worth. Leafs do not have to bendover to ruin their cap structure and quality depth.

Fogelhund said:
And you’d be satisfied with a similar return as DeBrincat?
Click to expand...

But why does it have to be the same as DeBincrat? What about PLD?

Leafs can do an 8 year extension with a sign and trade if there is a team out there willing to pay Nylander a 10 AAV. Why does the option have to be to pay Nylander 10 AAV? There is 7 years worth of evidence that in the playoffs when there is less time and space and teams need goals; the so called core 4 go into shell.

Leafs not being able to afford quality depth also leads to not enough depth scoring or decent defensive structure where Leafs depth at least plays to a stalemate with their opposition.

Its a team game. Leafs have to do what is best for the TEAM
 
  • Like
Reactions: geo25
PromisedLand said:
But why does it have to be the same as DeBincrat? What about PLD?

Leafs can do an 8 year extension with a sign and trade if there is a team out there willing to pay Nylander a 10 AAV. Why does the option have to be to pay Nylander 10 AAV? There is 7 years worth of evidence that in the playoffs when there is less time and space and teams need goals; the so called core 4 go into shell.

Leafs not being able to afford quality depth also leads to not enough depth scoring or decent defensive structure where Leafs depth at least plays to a stalemate with their opposition.

Its a team game. Leafs have to do what is best for the TEAM
Click to expand...
Defensive structure isn't, and wasn't a problem.
Creating depth, doesn't create more scoring. Elite players do the bulk of your scoring. I'd love more depth though, along with elite players.
It is a team game, and if there is a deal out there, that improves the team... sure.. and if there isn't, no.
Our main issue this past playoffs, was Matthew's wrist. Fix his wrist, and we are good. If the wrist is toast, any and all trades won't make a difference.

Wanting change, for change, will never be a winning strategy.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom