Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

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Defensive impact i will try to help you...

Nylander had been on the ice for 8 of 15 tampa goal 5v5 tampa goal ( i removed the empty net goal) 6 of those goal could be easily avoid by nylander... lack of defensive commitment, cheating whatever...

Marner allowed only 1 goal of 15 goal (7%) and pratically shutdown completly kucherov line

Last season 4 goal against but still outplayed kucherov line

He allowed 1 5v5 goal against mtl...4 against florida ( 1 he was just enter on a line change and never had time to just reach leafs zone so the real number should be 3)

So last 3 year, we can say marner had been on the ice for 9 goal against him playing against 1st opposite line game after game... nylander only vs tampa this season is at 8... its not a perfect stats for sure but still giving you a picture of it...
Yes Marner plays good defense. This is not news and it has nothing to do with my contention which is that based on the last few years, the gap between M&M and Nylander is smaller in the playoffs than it is in the regular season.
 
I would attribute the negativity associated with our star player negotiations to the fact that they aren't perceived as solid, trusted partners of the organization the way a Patrice Bergeron or a Sidney Crosby are for their teams.
People used to not think that about them either, but I don't expect you to have an actual conversation about that.
 
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Thanks for the response.

Unfortunately, I think both players are wanting to extract the most amount of money they can as possible from whatever team they play for. You are correct, it does make it hard to root for any of these guys at times. If rumours are true and Tavares had a $13M offer from another team when he signed here, he must be disappointed with what is happening right now.

I fail to see how he can be looking at this and thinking his dream to win a cup here still remains a possibility.
The fact that Tavares had a 13 mil offer (although we don't know term) with the cap about 4-5 mil less than 2024/25... what in the name of f*** does that make Matthews worth on the open market? Did Tavares win Richards and Hart's?

All of the comparables like MacKinnon don't matter because they never tested the open market. They had at least a semblance of loyalty to their franchise and core teammates. Our guys don't have that.

Matthews at 14-15 mil. Still stand by it. It's what he'd get in the open market. And our guys (and ONLY our guys) don't settle for less than what they'd get in the open market. Hell, even as rf-f***ing-a's they didn't settle for less than what they'd get on the open market.
 
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The fact that Tavares had a 13 mil offer (although we don't know term) with the cap about 4-5 mil less than 2024/25... what in the name of f*** does that make Matthews worth on the open market?

All of the comparables like MacKinnon don't matter because they never tested the open market. They had at least a semblance of loyalty to their franchise and core teammates. Our guys don't have that.

Matthews at 14-15 mil. Still stand by it. It's what he'd get in the open market. And our guys (and ONLY our guys) don't settle for less than that.

These guys are only doing what they've been taught.

A good soldier will look to his leaders, and follow their example.
 
what do you say about Drais and his 32 PP goals and 1/2 his points also being on the PP ...and he's only a +7 playing with McD
he should be +50 except he completely sucks defensively
I say the same thing - he benefits greatly from the PP and he sucks defensively, just like JT. One big difference is he produces at a 60% higher rate and doesn't have people trying to justify an $11M cap hit.
 
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Lol and William has stated he will only sign a discount if Mathews does, which obviously means Mathews has to sign 1st. How else would William know if Mathews took a discount?

I’m backing William in this one.
It's all hearsay as far as I know, but Matty said he'd sign at a discount to help the team, and Willy said that if Matty did, so would he.

Assuming this is accurate, I would say the ball is in Matthews' court.
 
Lol give me a list of 2C's that are better than JT before relegating him to the third line.
48th in even strength points among centers, despite spending virtually all his time with one or the other of the right wingers who were 5th and 6th at even strength.
 
Do you realize than the biggest difference of ice time is all defensive situation marner had been playing and nylander just not?
Last three playoffs:

ES toi:
Matthews: 472:11
Marner: 438:08
Nylander: 385:59

PP toi:
Matthews: 102:11
Marner: 99:17
Nylander: 75:27
 
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I think if the Nylander camp truly wants to wait and see what Matthews gets first, we could see Willy get traded. There will be A LOT more media and fan pressure to sign Matthews first. The longer that goes just means more people saying he'll leave even though that's not the case.

I'm sure Treliving wants to sign Nylander first but let's see what the Nylander camp does.
 
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Where did you read kampf is overpaid?

I said kampf is paid 2,5M for pratically only his defensive skill... with only his offensive ability, his actual value would be around 1M but if you adding his defensive, thats raising at 2,5M and he deserve it...
I am saying what if Kampf is being overpaid by Treliving.
 
Bottoming out is just a blip, like rising to the top.

Matthews and marner are going to leave the team, and odds are it won't be in great shape when they do.

Mahovlich left
Horton left
Davey left
Sittler left
Gilmour left
Sundin left

They all leave.
Agreed. Leafs however should be more proactive....would soften the blow and possibly provide better returns
 
Last three playoffs:

ES toi:
Matthews: 472:11
Marner: 438:08
Nylander: 385:59

PP toi:
Matthews: 102:11
Marner: 99:17
Nylander: 75:27

Pp time i giving it to you, thats where nylander could really help leafs


But 5v5
Marner 2.08 pts/60
Matthews 1,92/60
Nylander 1,85/60

Matthews 0,96 goal/60
Nylander 0,67/60
Marner 0,59/60

Goal against
Marner 1,33 goal against/60
Matthews 1,52 goal against/60
Nylander 3,19 goal against/60

Its just100% normal than matthews and marner was playing much more at 5v5 than nylander. Producing at higher rate and by far less risky in the defensive end
Yes Marner plays good defense. This is not news and it has nothing to do with my contention which is that based on the last few years, the gap between M&M and Nylander is smaller in the playoffs than it is in the regular season.

Offensivly yes the gap became smaller but defensivly the gap just become higher so at the end, the gap still the same for me...
 
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I think if the Nylander camp truly wants to wait and see what Matthews gets first, we could see Willy get traded. There will be A LOT more media and fan pressure to sign Matthews first. The longer that goes just means more people saying he'll leave even though that's not the case.

I'm sure Treliving wants to sign Nylander first but let's see what the Nylander camp does.
Sure trade William in order to give Mathews more strength in negotiations. After all we would have freed up 9 million. Just give Mathews the 20% limit allowed and thank Bettman, otherwise we’d give him 20 + million per year. Lol!
 
Sure trade William in order to give Mathews more strength in negotiations. After all we would have freed up 9 million. Just give Mathews the 20% limit allowed and thank Bettman, otherwise we’d give him 20 + million per year. Lol!
Or trade AM as well. We can't win with him...time for change & to stop this insanity....
 
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Why would Matthews refuse to sign before Willy?
I don't think it's AM's camp that doesn't want to sign as much as it is Tree holding back the signing until they can try to get Willy to sign first. The reason for that IMO is that AM's new deal will be pretty crazy and they know Willy will hold on even more for over $10M+ when he sees what AM signed for.

There really is a problem here when our players no longer look at league comparable contracts when negotiating and just want the most compared to other team members. It's really a cancer that needs to be excised from this team. If it means trading away some of these guys I am all for it.
 
Offensivly yes the gap became smaller but defensivly the gap just become higher so at the end, the gap still the same for me...
I'm skeptical of this claim.
Or trade AM as well. We can't win with him...time for change & to stop this insanity....
If he asks for much more than he's worth, I'd trade him as well. It would really suck to do that but sometimes hard decision have to be made.
 
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Really, people had questions about Sidney Crosby when he was a cup finalist in Year 3 and won a Cup in Year 4?
That's not what you said though.

Pittsburgh is also kind of a comical example. There was very much a "they can't win paying these guys this much" narrative there, too. If you want to have to have this very different discussion than you started earlier, let's talk about Yzerman and Ovechkin, too.
 
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I don't think it's AM's camp that doesn't want to sign as much as it is Tree holding back the signing until they can try to get Willy to sign first. The reason for that IMO is that AM's new deal will be pretty crazy and they know Willy will hold on even more for over $10M+ when he sees what AM signed for.

There really is a problem here when our players no longer look at league comparable contracts when negotiating and just want the most compared to other team members. It's really a cancer that needs to be excised from this team. If it means trading away some of these guys I am all for it.
Interesting theory. I hadn't thought of this possibility but it sounds plausible to me. I'm pretty sick of this crap and if if this is indeed what's happening, I'd 100% do the same thing in Nylander's place. And considering he held out last time, I think Tre would be pretty dumb to think that he can get him to sign even one minute before he's good and ready to do so. Also pretty dumb to give AM a crazy contract but I digress ...
 
Does winning and leaving a good legacy behind mean nothing to these kids?

It clearly means something to a lot of other players around the league, yet here it seems like that's irrelevant the only thing that matters is getting the biggest piece of the money pie possible.
I think because they have literally been deified since they got to the team, they have this inflated self worth and don't think their legacy will be harmed much. How many times have you seen a reporter ask a direct question of them like: "Do you feel that the fact that you seem to go down in production compared to other stars when the playoff season comes around is hurting the team?"

Ask them one fricking question that isn't a softball about how good Kerfoot is liked on the team....
 
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