Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Gary Nylund]

Maybe trade both of them as they are asking for too much.
What’s the worst that can happen? Missing the playoffs?
Save all the cap space, develop second tier players and go hunting when #97 is available.

It was implied or reported by someone in the medias that AM wants to sign after Willie in order to ask for more. Like if Willie is signs at 10mil, AM will ask for more and vice versa.

Seems odd, I mean Matthews will get more than Willie no matter what.

Because Matthews wants to see Willy’s number for some reason. Everyone is reporting that the Matthews deal is unlikely to be done before Willy.

That’s what pisses me off about Auston and he always gets a pass from this fanbase. If Auston gave a real shit about being a leader and setting a tone. He’d sign and take a bit less so that Willy would buy in and take less. But he ain’t going to do that.

Agree 100%. If it really is true that Matthews wants Willie to sign first, I'd start planning for the future after Matthews right now.

They don't need to spend like that at the TDL again because now there top 6 is an actual top 6, not a top 4.5

Now that Bertuzzi and Domi are here, Jarnkrok can start on the 3rd line where he belongs, Knies can start the 3rd line and get comfortable before being top 6.

There is admittedly a hole at 3C.

Adding McCabe last year makes the need to add a big piece to the defense significantly less.

This year they need a couple filler pieces

You think our top 6 is better with Domi and Bertuzzi instead of ROR and Bunting ? I really don't think so.

 

[Sypher04]

Because Matthews wants to see Willy’s number for some reason. Everyone is reporting that the Matthews deal is unlikely to be done before Willy.

That’s what pisses me off about Auston and he always gets a pass from this fanbase. If Auston gave a real shit about being a leader and setting a tone. He’d sign and take a bit less so that Willy would buy in and take less. But he ain’t going to do that.

He absolutely does not get a pass from this fanbase and there’s virtually no one claiming to have knowledge that Matthews is waiting to see what Nylander gets. In fact, I’m 100% positive that isn’t the case, because Willy’s contract means sweet f*** all in regards to what Matthews can ask for. If it’s all about the money we’ll find out soon enough, but Matthews doesn’t need to wait for Willy to go first because they simply are not the same class of player.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Lol and William has stated he will only sign a discount if Mathews does, which obviously means Mathews has to sign 1st. How else would William know if Mathews took a discount?

I’m backing William in this one.

I think everything we hear is bs.

Treliving should be working on both giving discounts and announce them both on the same day.

However, you have to overpay Matthews at the end of the day if you have to and hope to build cheap a winning team around him.

You trade Nylander before you overpay him. You can't have multiple players overpaid anymore.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah I understand the cycle of life when it comes to NHL teams. Watching Toronto bottom out was not at all enjoyable.

I think that Nylander should be moved. If they can't use him in a trade to round out the roster, then he can be used for assets (prospects and picks). I don't want to see TOR use him as an Own-Rental, and I don't want to extend him.

And what about Matthews and Marner, do you need to hear what their contract demands are first or are you extending them no matter what?

 

[Sypher04]

The media needs to give it a rest already with all their speculation shared under the guise of reporting. They do not know anything concrete at all but what they do know is the discussion is top of mind and sells so they better have some juice. You all should be highly highly skeptical of anything you read claiming to know what’s happening in their negotiations, even from sources considered generally trusted. We’re a cash cow for these people, nothing more.

 

[ACC1224]

Lol and William has stated he will only sign a discount if Mathews does, which obviously means Mathews has to sign 1st. How else would William know if Mathews took a discount?

I’m backing William in this one.

He’s stated that? That sounds more like some Insiders feelings.

I find it fascinating how many people are loosing their minds over a bunch of speculation

 

[Sypher04]

He’s stated that? That sounds more like some Insiders feelings.

I find it fascinating how many people are loosing their minds over a bunch of speculation

For real.

 

[ACC1224]

Because Matthews wants to see Willy’s number for some reason. Everyone is reporting that the Matthews deal is unlikely to be done before Willy.

That’s what pisses me off about Auston and he always gets a pass from this fanbase. If Auston gave a real shit about being a leader and setting a tone. He’d sign and take a bit less so that Willy would buy in and take less. But he ain’t going to do that.

I imagine that is the GM wanting to sign Nylander first. Dubas messed up signing Matthews before Marner, perhaps this GM is just being smarter.

 

[ACC1224]

For real.

Is there even 1 single quote from any of these players?
Christ the usuals are weeping about what Marner is looking for and he still has two years left.

 

[robertmac43]

True, JT really drags that line down, and really shouldn't be more than 3C at this point, but I'm not sure why that means Willy isn't a line driver.

Lol give me a list of 2C's that are better than JT before relegating him to the third line.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I imagine that is the GM wanting to sign Nylander first. Dubas messed up signing Matthews before Marner, perhaps this GM is just being smarter.

I can't see any reason why signing Nylander before Matthews is "smarter", if anything I'd say that the opposite is true.

Matthews is the captain and the face of the franchise, what possible reasoning could there be for him waiting for a lesser entity like Nylander to sign before him?

Can you explain your reasoning here or are you just talking smack?

Is there even 1 single quote from any of these players?
Christ the usuals are weeping about what Marner is looking for and he still has two years left.

Spare us the condescension. You've been posting a ton lately, what great content have you been providing besides sarcastic comments about people who actually have an opinion about something?

Good GM's need to plan ahead and thinking about the future is completely normal.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah I understand the cycle of life when it comes to NHL teams. Watching Toronto bottom out was not at all enjoyable.

I think that Nylander should be moved. If they can't use him in a trade to round out the roster, then he can be used for assets (prospects and picks). I don't want to see TOR use him as an Own-Rental, and I don't want to extend him.

Understand.

To me I'd be pursuing Elias Lindholm in Calgary.

I'd go 1 for 1.

Let the receiving team extend.

Pretty obvious the 8 year advantage doesn't mean much at all if Leafs stars aren't looking to extend beyond 3-5 years anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Understand.

To me I'd be pursuing Elias Lindholm in Calgary.

I'd go 1 for 1.

Let the receiving team extend.

Pretty obvious the 8 year advantage doesn't mean much at all if Leafs stars aren't looking to extend beyond 3-5 years anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Works for me.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah I understand the cycle of life when it comes to NHL teams. Watching Toronto bottom out was not at all enjoyable.

I think that Nylander should be moved. If they can't use him in a trade to round out the roster, then he can be used for assets (prospects and picks). I don't want to see TOR use him as an Own-Rental, and I don't want to extend him.

Bottoming out is just a blip, like rising to the top.

Matthews and marner are going to leave the team, and odds are it won't be in great shape when they do.

Mahovlich left
Horton left
Davey left
Sittler left
Gilmour left
Sundin left

They all leave.

 

[ULF_55]

I imagine that is the GM wanting to sign Nylander first. Dubas messed up signing Matthews before Marner, perhaps this GM is just being smarter.

Why would the GM care who signed first though?

What difference would it make to Treliving?

 

[ACC1224]

Why would the GM care who signed first though?

What difference would it make to Treliving?

Internal comparable. No chance Marner looks for what he did if Matthews doesn’t sign his deal first.

 

[francis246]

The media needs to give it a rest already with all their speculation shared under the guise of reporting. They do not know anything concrete at all but what they do know is the discussion is top of mind and sells so they better have some juice. You all should be highly highly skeptical of anything you read claiming to know what’s happening in their negotiations, even from sources considered generally trusted. We’re a cash cow for these people, nothing more.

give me a break with this skeptical nonsense. Insiders are insiders for a reason. Most of them are very well connected to many of the teams. Are there a few instances where they are wrong or they speculate for clicks? For sure, but for the most part things that are out there aren’t just made up. People involved in the situation are putting it out there.

You don’t need to try and sell any of us on skepticism or conspiracy theories about how the media knows nothing. Agents, Players and GM’s all use insiders.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Seems odd, I mean Matthews will get more than Willie no matter what.

Agree 100%. If it really is true that Matthews wants Willie to sign first, I'd start planning for the future after Matthews right now.

You think our top 6 is better with Domi and Bertuzzi instead of ROR and Bunting ? I really don't think so.

That wasn't the top 6 most of the year, for most of the year it was.

Bunting/Jarnkrok Matthews Marner

Kerfoot Tavares Nylander.

Now as of today it's

Bertuzzi Matthews Marner

Domi Tavares Nylander.

Now it's possible Domi and Bertuzzi switch but regardless You're damn
right I like the top 6 better.

, Now as I said there is admittedly a hole at 3C and that's where losing ROR absolutely sucks.

But in regards to wing depth

Marner
Nylander
Bertuzzi
Domi
Jarnkrok
Knies

You're damn right I like that better

 

[francis246]

Bottoming out is just a blip, like rising to the top.

Matthews and marner are going to leave the team, and odds are it won't be in great shape when they do.

Mahovlich left
Horton left
Davey left
Sittler left
Gilmour left
Sundin left

They all leave.

Not necessarily, how many of them left because they wanted to? How many of them were forced out. The Leafs could have signed Sundin to an extension, he would have signed it, they chose not to.

Horton was traded
sitter was traded
Gilmour came back and got injured then retired
Mahovlich was traded
Kessel was traded
Phanuef was traded
Kadri was traded
Hyman let go for free

I think you should rephrase it to Management will ship out the star players when the relationship is most tense. All those players wanted to be with the organization for their careers and shit went south and we moved on from them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That wasn't the top 6 most of the year, for most of the year it was.

Bunting/Jarnkrok Matthews Marner

Kerfoot Tavares Nylander.

Now as of today it's

Bertuzzi Matthews Marner

Domi Tavares Nylander.

Now it's possible Domi and Bertuzzi switch but regardless You're damn
right I like the top 6 better.

, Now as I said there is admittedly a hole at 3C and that's where losing ROR absolutely sucks.

But in regards to wing depth

Marner
Nylander
Bertuzzi
Domi
Jarnkrok
Knies

You're damn right I like that better

I don't much care if we finish 4th or 14th overall during the regular season, I just want playoff success.

Our top 6 is substantially worse then it was going into the playoffs and I said earlier, we've spent so many futures already that it's hard to see us adding at the TDL again the way we did, therefore the team is likely to be worse in the playoffs than it was.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Looks to me like thrre us no love lost berween AM and WN.
Willie says sign him first, and see if our toothless leader gives something for his team.
Then WN may sign.
This all points to room issues.

 

[Dugath]

Ya, saying Sundin left is not really true. Leafs tried to trade him, he refused. They could have re-signed him, they chose not to.

As for Nylander - He has already shown he is more than willing to wait.
As for Matthews - He has already shown he is just about getting the most $$ he can.

If Matthews is waiting on Nylander, he is going to be waiting a long time I think.
Nylander views it as he already took a discount on his last contract while M & M had the bank truck roll up to their doors. He views himself deserving of so much money and I am sure he will wait on it.

 

[thusk]

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.


I don't think that's true either and I don't like labelling players "good playoff player" or "bad playoff player", it's never that simple.

What I would say is this - during the regular season, M&M have both been much better than Nylander but in the playoffs over say the last 3 years, that gap shrinks considerably. Maybe the massive pay gap between these guys is justified re. Nylander during the regular season, for a guy like me who cares a lot more about the playoffs then record breaking Novembers etc., the massive pay gap is not justified.

Based on performance in the last 3 playoffs, I'd probably go something like this:
8 million - Nylander
9 million - Marner
10 million - Matthews

Based on expectations which are in turn based on their cap hits, Nylander has earned his money and more while M&M have underperformed expectations by a 2-3 million each and that's why when there is talk of trading Nylander, so many people react by saying why not keep Nylander and trade Marner instead?

JMHO.

Thats where im nit agree... if we only taking offensivly yes... but offensive is not everything... comparimg marner and nylander its like comparing crosby to kessel... why crosby won the conne smythe with 6 goal and 19 points when kessel had 10 goal and 22 points? Its all the detail crosby doing shift after shift by :

-Being the 1st guy in drfensive zone to help his d
- with his defensive game
-by being the last guy moving out defensive zone to still there to avoid as much he can to put his d in trouble.
- his combativity in the defensive end

Its kind of things 98% fans just never consider but every organisation, yes

Right. Last three playoffs he led the team in goals, PP goals, and ES points, and tied for assists, ES goals and GWG, despite averaging between 4 1/2 and 5 1/2 minutes less ice time.

Do you realize than the biggest difference of ice time is all defensive situation marner had been playing and nylander just not?

 

[Fogelhund]

Spare us the condescension. You've been posting a ton lately, what great content have you been providing besides sarcastic comments about people who actually have an opinion about something?

And yet on the flip side, we have constant postings of anger, projection, blame and negativity. It will get to anyone at some point.

 

[m1ker]

You think our top 6 is better with Domi and Bertuzzi instead of ROR and Bunting ? I really don't think so.

I think our top 6 with Knies and Bertuzzi is better than ROR and Bunting. Both ROR and Bunting were demoted from the top 6 several times. Tavares + ROR was the worst experiment i've ever seen.