Nylander contract talk VI

[MyBudJT]

Bridges are mathematically provable to be bad.

Unless you expect the player to not get any better/get worse, you are always costing yourself money by signing a player to a bridge deal.

Well of course... AAVs after a bridge will likely be higher than whether there was no bridge to begin with...

However, in the long run, it CAN still be beneficial...

IE:
22YO signs a 2 year bridge at 5AAV... 2 years later, he signs an 8 yr contract at 9 mil AAV. This brings him to 32 years old. He isn't going to demand another 8 year contract necessarily, and its quite possible that they don't even get a raise either... a contract like 6 years at 8.5 mil AAV is possible..

OR

22YO signs an 8 year contract at 7 mil AAV. This brings him to UFA at 30 years old... He may very well demand another 8 years at a premium... 8 years at 10 AAV...

Option 1: 16 Years and gets 133 mil
Option 2: 16 years and gets 136 mil

Which would you rather have?

 

[Morgs]

Literally I go away for like 12 hours and the thread goes back into madness. Where the rational people at.

 

[Notsince67]

Bridges are mathematically provable to be bad.

Unless you expect the player to not get any better/get worse, you are always costing yourself money by signing a player to a bridge deal.

The leafs have a lot of great players and they have a crunch next year. The mantra doesn't hold true when you are at the ceiling in the short run

 

[Burnie97]

Literally I go away for like 12 hours and the thread goes back into madness. Where the rational people at.

It's a vicious cycle... and until Nylander signs... I doubt it's going to let up.

 

[kindalaidback]

Literally I go away for like 12 hours and the thread goes back into madness. Where the rational people at.

dude-- unfortunately, i'm still here. just don't know what to say anymore.

 

[Morgs]

I wouldn't sign either if I was told I was going to be on the 2nd PP unit with the most relevant other player being Gardiner.

Pretty big joke leaving him off the unit in favour of Kadri.

 

[Sypher04]

I wouldn't sign either if I was told I was going to be on the 2nd PP unit with the most relevant other player being Gardiner.

Pretty big joke leaving him off the unit in favour of Kadri.

I talked about this months back when the stacked powerplay was brought up. Nylander should be on it and no one should expect him to be remotely happy about it if he's not. That said, the difference now though is that I fully expected he'd be signed when this issue came up. The fact he's not makes things even more complicated.

 

[MyBudJT]

Literally I go away for like 12 hours and the thread goes back into madness. Where the rational people at.

Great contribution to the thread full of 'madness'.

 

[hamzarocks]

I wouldn't sign either if I was told I was going to be on the 2nd PP unit with the most relevant other player being Gardiner.

Pretty big joke leaving him off the unit in favour of Kadri.

Kadri is money on his role on the pp. He definately deserves to be there. We should either play willy on the top power play and let marner absolutely run the 2nd power play. Or have a willy+mitch duo for the 2nd power play and give them 3 shooters. Both these two have good to great shots so they are dual threats.

Tavares
Marleau kadri Matthews
Rielly

Leivo
Nylander Johnsson Marner
Gardiner

Is what I would like to see us try

 

[BlueForever75]

I don't think Kadri should be on the 1st unit either. I don't have an issue with Nylander and Kadri on the second unit with Gardiner, Johnson and Leivo or Brown in front of the net.

Personally the first unit should be Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Reilly and Marleau. Not Kadri.

 

[Morgs]

Great contribution to the thread full of 'madness'.

Thanks.

 

[Morgs]

Kadri is money on his role on the pp. He definately deserves to be there. We should either play willy on the top power play and let marner absolutely run the 2nd power play. Or have a willy+mitch duo for the 2nd power play and give them 3 shooters. Both these two have good to great shots so they are dual threats.

Tavares
Marleau kadri Matthews
Rielly

Leivo
Nylander Johnsson Marner
Gardiner

Is what I would like to see us try

Marner plays the same spot on the PP as Matthews, and he's incredibly effective at it.

The secret is moving Matthews into Kadri's spot as the "trigger man" and 2nd guy in front of the net with Tavares. Have Marner, Nylander and Rielly run the PP from the outside.

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner plays the same spot on the PP as Matthews, and he's incredibly effective at it.

The secret is moving Matthews into Kadri's spot as the "trigger man" and 2nd guy in front of the net with Tavares. Have Marner, Nylander and Rielly run the PP from the outside.

The issue is that all 3 of those guys like to pass the puck a bit to much and don't look for shots often enough. Rielly is a great passer on the pp but I dont know if that combo works well. Gardiner has a better shot and could may be be a better fit if we run the pp as you described.

 

[Morgs]

The issue is that all 3 of those guys like to pass the puck a bit to much and don't look for shots often enough. Rielly is a great passer on the pp but I dont know if that combo works well. Gardiner has a better shot and could may be be a better fit if we run the pp as you described.

Nylander shoots a lot. Marner/Rielly will shoot, but are better at finding guys wide open for shots.

Not many guys better than Matthews/Tavares at getting HD chances.

 

[Notsince67]

I wouldn't sign either if I was told I was going to be on the 2nd PP unit with the most relevant other player being Gardiner.

Pretty big joke leaving him off the unit in favour of Kadri.

Kadri is a fantastic goal scorer.. This line does not need another playmaker

 

[Clark4Ever]

With all the talent we have up front, and with Nylander not in camp yet, it should come as no surprise that he's not pencilled into the 1st power play unit.

 

[Morgs]

Kadri is a fantastic goal scorer.. This line does not need another playmaker

You're not including Matthews moving to the trigger spot though. Matthews should be there because he has by far the best shot on the team, and it's not due to a one-timer like other goal scoring half-wall guys (Ovie, Stamkos, etc). He's perfect because of his quick release and unreal accuracy. When he gets into "play-making" mode it's when the PP gets slumpy.

What him and Tavares need are guys that can constantly get the puck on their sticks, and nobody on the team is better at that than Marner, Nylander, and Rielly. Such a waste having him on the 2nd unit.

 

[Trapper]

I’m funny how, I mean funny like I’m a clown? I amuse you?

Goodfellas. Great movie.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Fine, don't sign. Let's see how you feel when you actually start missing paychecks. Part of me wants the Leafs to stick it to him and his agent. They probably arrogantly think that they can still get the team to cave. The team won't. They will let him sit and start missing his paychecks.

 

[thewave]

Fine, don't sign. Let's see how you feel when you actually start missing paychecks. Part of me wants the Leafs to stick it to him and his agent. They probably arrogantly think that they can still get the team to cave. The team won't. They will let him sit and start missing his paychecks.

If you look at the team components. We have no reason to cave at all... We just treat him as injured and give another more time, play Hyman on his right wing and then move a solid player on the left.

We have so many workable combinations that it's no worry. Unless some catastrophe takes place and we don't gel

 

[therealkoho]

Why does he deserve more than Ehlers?

he doesn't but this new "cap percentage" argument is all the rage now

and just so everyone knows the cap percentage argument is all smoke and mirrors and lathered in horsepuckey

 

[Nooodles]

Literally I go away for like 12 hours and the thread goes back into madness. Where the rational people at.

"This" thread went into madness in like the 2nd part. This is the 6th.

 

[therealkoho]

so then why do so many people have a problem if Willie is asking more than they think he's worth ?

it may have something to do with him holding out, but wtf do I know

 

[AuraSphere]

Nylander is taking a huge L the more he waits... that PP unit is just evidence enough.

Although, I highly doubt Babcock will actually use all 3 of his centers on the first PP unit, that sounds kinda dumb tbh. Might make more sense to take off Matthews, put in Leivo, and then put matthews with nylander and marleau on the 2nd unit.

 

[Morgs]

"This" thread went into madness in like the 2nd part. This is the 6th.

It has moments of clarity when the rationals fight the crazies.