Proposal: NYI-Van.....NYI-St. Louis

[iggy]

To Van---2023 1st, Bailey , and Mayfield
To Isles---Horvat

To St Louis---2023 2nd, Wahlstrom, Beauvillier
To Isles----Tarasenko

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[McJedi]

To Van---2023 1st, Bailey , and Mayfield
To Isles---Horvat

To St Louis---2023 2nd, Wahlstrom, Beauvillier
To Isles----Tarasenko

St Louis will get a better offer at the deadline. Esp if they retain 50%.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Unless our scouts think Wahlstrom has some untapped potential, I'm not really interested. At a minimum Tarasenko should get a 1st and good prospect/young player. Beauvillier likely just is what he is at this point and Wahlstrom might be on a similar path too.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

No thank you as a Blues fan. We would most likely get a much better offer at the trade deadline at 50%. Especially if he continues at his current scoring pace.

 

[blinkman360]

To Van---2023 1st, Bailey , and Mayfield
To Isles---Horvat

To St Louis---2023 2nd, Wahlstrom, Beauvillier
To Isles----Tarasenko

I'd keep it simple and just target Tank(or Kane). We're light on futures as it is. I know some Isles fans are high on Horvat but I just don't see the need/fit. Also I don't like the idea of trading Mayfield(or Beauvillier) in the middle of a run, especially if we're essentially going all in on two huge rentals. At that point just sub him out for a kid and go balls to the wall competing for a Cup.

But yeah, I'd wait for one of the top wingers to hit the market and go from there. Let some other team pay a king's ransom for Horvat, who will probably be the top center available. For a team that already has 4 quality centers I just don't see the point.

 

[blinkman360]

Unless our scouts think Wahlstrom has some untapped potential, I'm not really interested. At a minimum Tarasenko should get a 1st and good prospect/young player. Beauvillier likely just is what he is at this point and Wahlstrom might be on a similar path too.

No thank you as a Blues fan. We would most likely get a much better offer at the trade deadline at 50%. Especially if he continues at his current scoring pace.

He tried to break up our best assets in an attempt to get 2 high-end rentals instead of 1, but yeah at the end of the day if we were going for Tarasenko, our offer starts with our '23 1st. You'd probably be looking at one of Wahlstrom or Dufour or Holmstrom on top of that. Only guy I would imagine would be off-limits for a rental would be Raty.

 

[Riseonfire]

Isles can't afford to trade away Mayfield.

We'd be running out scrubs as our 5th and 6th Dman.

 

[SCMURRAY]

Seems like alot to give up for 2 rentals. They walk away in FA and Isles are left with no pick in 2023 until the 4th round and missing 3 of the top 9 forwards (all of whom are under contract next year), yikes. Hope they win the cup for ya

 

[Sebastien]

The Islanders wouldn't do the 1st deal , are you joking? Mayfield alone would cost a 1st and more. Horvat Is a rental. So you want them to pay additional 1st to dump Bailey? Make it sense?

 

[seafoam]

I'd rather just trade Wahlstrom + for Horvat and Kuzmenko.

Lee-Barzal-Nelson
Kuzmenko-Horvat-Bailey
Beauvillier-Pageau-Palmieri
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Parise

 

[blinkman360]

I'd rather just trade Wahlstrom + for Horvat and Kuzmenko.

Lee-Barzal-Nelson
Kuzmenko-Horvat-Bailey
Beauvillier-Pageau-Palmieri
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Parise

That's going to be a pretty big plus

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Unless our scouts think Wahlstrom has some untapped potential, I'm not really interested. At a minimum Tarasenko should get a 1st and good prospect/young player. Beauvillier likely just is what he is at this point and Wahlstrom might be on a similar path too.

I mean it's your right not to want him, but to respond to the implication that Wahlstrom isn't good, I will say that he's pacing 27 goals this season as a 22 year old. Not star quality, but a respectable GPG pace for sure.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I mean it's your right not to want him, but to respond to the implication that Wahlstrom isn't good, I will say that he's pacing 27 goals this season as a 22 year old. Not star quality, but a respectable GPG pace for sure.

We can call a spade a spade. It's a small sample size influenced by 3 goals and 4 points against the Ducks and Sharks to start the season. While he still has plenty of time to develop, I don't think he's had a season since being drafted that relative to his draft position has been a major success. If pops 25+ goals this season, I'm sure Isle fans would be ecstatic because that would surpass any reasonable expectation for the season.

 

[seafoam]

That's going to be a pretty big plus

Why? Both are impending UFAs.

 

[blinkman360]

Why? Both are impending UFAs.

The assumption right now is Horvat is going to cost a 1st PLUS a guy like Wahlstrom. He's getting a 1st, minimum. After that it comes down to how many teams are bidding.

Then you want Kuzmenko, who by all accounts is someone they want to build around - to the point where they would trade Boeser to keep him. If it becomes clear they can't though, you're probably looking at another 1st or something of similar value.

Beyond that is the cap, which I'll admit I have no idea how that would work at the deadline, but I'm guessing we'll have to send back more than Wahlstrom's 900K. So yeah, you're probably looking at another 2 1st rounders or similar value. That's what Vancouver can most likely get if they trade them separately.

 

[RationalExpectations]

People never learn. 4 years ago STL won after a disastrous start to the season yet every year fans give up on teams way too early…

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

To Van---2023 1st, Bailey , and Mayfield
To Isles---Horvat

To St Louis---2023 2nd, Wahlstrom, Beauvillier
To Isles----Tarasenko

Trading Mayfield is a no go if the team wants to try to win in the playoffs. He's the prefect type of defenseman for playoff hockey.

We can call a spade a spade. It's a small sample size influenced by 3 goals and 4 points against the Ducks and Sharks to start the season. While he still has plenty of time to develop, I don't think he's had a season since being drafted that relative to his draft position has been a major success. If pops 25+ goals this season, I'm sure Isle fans would be ecstatic because that would surpass any reasonable expectation for the season.

Wouldn't agree that he's a "spade" to use your saying. I also don't agree that any Isles fan would be "ecstatic" with a 25 goal season. He easily has the best shot on the team and his lack of goal production in the previous seasons had to do with nearly no powerplay time. He'll make 25 goals this season given health and powerplay time, which coach Lambert has been giving him so far.

That said, the rest of your post is reasonable and I get, from your perspective, that you want to see him do it over a longer period than just 10-15 games.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

The assumption right now is Horvat is going to cost a 1st PLUS a guy like Wahlstrom. He's getting a 1st, minimum. After that it comes down to how many teams are bidding.

Then you want Kuzmenko, who by all accounts is someone they want to build around - to the point where they would trade Boeser to keep him. If it becomes clear they can't though, you're probably looking at another 1st or something of similar value.

Beyond that is the cap, which I'll admit I have no idea how that would work at the deadline, but I'm guessing we'll have to send back more than Wahlstrom's 900K. So yeah, you're probably looking at another 2 1st rounders or similar value. That's what Vancouver can most likely get if they trade them separately.

Don't forget that Kuzmenko is only 950k against the cap. If Vancouver can't resign him and opts to trade him (best option is to keep with EP due to chemistry) his cap hit works for every contender in the leage. I could see some teams offer up their 23 and 24 1st for him.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Trading Mayfield is a no go if the team wants to try to win in the playoffs. He's the prefect type of defenseman for playoff hockey.


Wouldn't agree that he's a "spade" to use your saying. I also don't agree that any Isles fan would be "ecstatic" with a 25 goal season. He easily has the best shot on the team and his lack of goal production in the previous seasons had to do with nearly no powerplay time. He'll make 25 goals this season given health and powerplay time, which coach Lambert has been giving him so far.

That said, the rest of your post is reasonable and I get, from your perspective, that you want to see him do it over a longer period than just 10-15 games.

If he was getting more than the 9th most EV time per game and 8th most PP time per game among forwards, then I'd feel better about him hitting 25+. I'm not saying it's impossible that he develops like Tage Thompson, where the shot was always there, but the rest of the game took a bit longer to develop, I'm just saying our scouts better have confidence in that.

 

[blinkman360]

People never learn. 4 years ago STL won after a disastrous start to the season yet every year fans give up on teams way too early…

The guy posted trade proposals in the trade forum involving two teams who are currently towards the bottom of the league standings. Is it really that offensive to you? Maybe once these other teams win some games, or the Isles start losing some games, you'll see them die out. That is usually how this sort of thing works.

 

[Bgav]

Why? Both are impending UFAs.

Why would Vancouver do that?

 

[Boondock]

The Islanders wouldn't do the 1st deal , are you joking? Mayfield alone would cost a 1st and more. Horvat Is a rental. So you want them to pay additional 1st to dump Bailey? Make it sense?

Mayfield is also a rental so Mayfield is worth a 1st on his own but Horvat's value is lower because he's a rental - well thought out. At this point a 33-34 year old Bailey is nothing more than a dump, so to get a team to take him would require assets. I'm not sure I would make the deal from a Canucks perspective, Bailey is a dump with an extra year on his contract, Mayfield is a good cheap D but a rental.

 

[RationalExpectations]

The guy posted trade proposals in the trade forum involving two teams who are currently towards the bottom of the league standings. Is it really that offensive to you? Maybe once these other teams win some games, or the Isles start losing some games, you'll see them die out. That is usually how this sort of thing works.

Not offensive at all, I just think in general people tend to overreact to series of losses. I have not said he should not start a thread, merely that it is my opinion these proposals belong to the usual set of over reactions

 

[IslesNorway]

Mayfield is also a rental so Mayfield is worth a 1st on his own but Horvat's value is lower because he's a rental - well thought out. At this point a 33-34 year old Bailey is nothing more than a dump, so to get a team to take him would require assets. I'm not sure I would make the deal from a Canucks perspective, Bailey is a dump with an extra year on his contract, Mayfield is a good cheap D but a rental.

Mayfield for Horvat straight up probably the most similar in value.

 

[Boondock]

Mayfield for Horvat straight up probably the most similar in value.

Sure, great contribution.