No additions at the trade deadline. Big mistake by Nonis ?

[Bluelines]

Not moving Reimer for something of value was a mistake.

Who was willing to take Reimer off Nonis hands? and what is the "value" you speak of?

 

[Bluelines]

No it's not lol. Teams can subtract at the deadline if they want to, teams can add little pieces big pieces..What makes you think the deadline is just for contenders? There's nothing preventing Nonis from making a small deal. He could've done whatever he felt like. Apparently not doing anything at all was his end goal. What a disaster this is turning into. I honestly can't believe after the momentum we had coming from Cali we are playing this bad...just stunned.

JVR -Kessel- Bozak 3 goals in the last 5 games... all 4 one goal losses with the exception of 2 open netters and 1 win. do you think maybe if our 1st line was scoring at the pace they were scoring before the Cali trip the results might be different?

You're assuming adding a piece or 2 at the deadline would have a positive effect, who's to say the additions wouldn't turn out to be more Clarkson types? What if the 2 pieces have such a negative affect that it turns the locker room toxic and affects the development of Kadri, Reilly and Gardnier?

The team is playing much like it has all season, disorganized, unfocused and undisciplined, a couple of minor parts would not turn this team around. Hitchcock would turn this team around, Ruff would turn this team around, Quennville would turn this team around, Blysma would turn this team around. Its not the talent, its the toxic leadership from the coaching ranks that is the problem.

 

[Mess]

Team can score but is weak, disorganized, and lacking in HIQ defensively.

Defense

2013-2014: 26th.
2012-2013: 18th.
2011-2012: 29th.

By the way, Bernier is 28th. GAA this year 2.61, Reimer was 21st. last year 2.46.

If Bernier is such a vast improvement, then the team is actually regressing.

The rebuilt, capped out team needs a lot more than just a deadline day pickup.

The 18 wheeler going over the cliff might be a great deal more than just this season.

Maybe it would be better to toss out the anomaly and evaluate the 2012 team to the 2014 team (omitting 2013 and 48 game sample set).

2012 GAA (264 GA / 82 games) = 3.22
2014 GAA (223 GA/ 72 games) = 3.10 [= 254 per 82 games] Diff =+10 GAA

So +2 years of maturation and changes (+Bernier) from the 18 wheeler season GA has seen a pace of +10 goal against potential improvement.

Perhaps Nonis recognized his current team is just as bad defensively as his inherited team and flawed that he decided to stay put at the trade deadline.

 

[The Blue Devil]

thornton is not PENDING ufa or is he?

He used to be.

 

[cack]

Nonis was not able to improve the team because he already screwed up by signing Clarkson.

 

[Henderson19]

Nonis was not able to improve the team because he already screwed up by signing Clarkson.

Exactly.

This is Randy's group now - he's got the tools. Get it done or go home. Doing nothing was the best decision Nonis made all season.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Nonis was not able to improve the team because he already screwed up by signing Clarkson.

Yup. His chance to improve the team was in the offseason when it was clear to everyone after the Boston collapse that our defense wasn't up to snub. Instead he wastes a compliance buyout on Grabs and signs Clarkson to one of the worst contracts in the league.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Nonis already made 2 fairly significant moves earlier in the season in acquiring Gleason and Holland.

The Leafs are already down draft picks and have a prospect pool that is below average. If anything Toronto should have sold a few pieces at the deadline.

Trying to expedite the team into contender status is what led to bad deals like the Grabo signing then the Clarkson signing or the O'Bryne trade last deadline.

The Toronto core is all young. Build around them and give Kadri, Rielly, Bernier more time and even secondary pieces like Holland, Percy, Finn, etc. Is the way to go.

 

[FreeBird]

Nonis already made 2 fairly significant moves earlier in the season in acquiring Gleason and Holland.

The Leafs are already down draft picks and have a prospect pool that is below average. If anything Toronto should have sold a few pieces at the deadline.

Trying to expedite the team into contender status is what led to bad deals like the Grabo signing then the Clarkson signing or the O'Bryne trade last deadline.

The Toronto core is all young. Build around them and give Kadri, Rielly, Bernier more time and even secondary pieces like Holland, Percy, Finn, etc. Is the way to go.

Obviously Carlyle didn't like Nonis significant moves, Gleason wasn't playing in Carolina and it's obvious why he's a lead foot and a pylon. Holland can't get into the lineup unless Carlyle can't find any other options. This team is what it is a Burke Nonis production.

 

[Clark4Ever]

The biggest mistake Nonis made was not acquiring a backup goaltender at the deadline. Reimer has completely choked under pressure when the team needed it the most.

 

[thewave]

Obviously Carlyle didn't like Nonis significant moves, Gleason wasn't playing in Carolina and it's obvious why he's a lead foot and a pylon. Holland can't get into the lineup unless Carlyle can't find any other options. This team is what it is a Burke Nonis production.

But the Burke side was far better than Nonis.

Bernier and perhaps Bolland were the only decent moves along with Gleasin. Holland was a waste, Clarkson a train wreck, Bolland may be a waste due to high demands in contract. Lets not talk of the player we paid to leave and the one we let walk for David C.

Nonis is a tool, was one in Van. As well, not surprising.

 

[cack]

Yup. His chance to improve the team was in the offseason when it was clear to everyone after the Boston collapse that our defense wasn't up to snub. Instead he wastes a compliance buyout on Grabs and signs Clarkson to one of the worst contracts in the league.

Buying out Grabovski was a foolish decision, Grabovski was not a great player but he is a decent hockey player. They could have traded him at a later time if they did not see him in the long term plans. This is what Nonis said after the buyout.

“I would like to thank Mikhail for his contributions with the Leafs over the past five seasons,†Leafs GM Dave Nonis said in a statement. “This was not an easy decision to make as Mikhail made numerous contributions to our hockey club. This is a roster move that will give us salary cap flexibility moving forward.â€


As we all know that cap flexibility was used up quickly on a five million dollar plug and also prevented the team from being able to take on a player at the trade dead line. These are the kind of disasters that happen when incompetent owners fire a competent GM like Brian Burke and hire a stooge who is only good for making coffee runs in the morning.

 

[Mike Martin]

Obviously Carlyle didn't like Nonis significant moves, Gleason wasn't playing in Carolina and it's obvious why he's a lead foot and a pylon. Holland can't get into the lineup unless Carlyle can't find any other options. This team is what it is a Burke Nonis production.

For his first 10-15 Leaf games everyone on this forum was saying how great Gleason was. You guys sure change your minds a lot.

 

[thewave]

Buying out Grabovski was a foolish decision, Grabovski was not a great player but he is a decent hockey player. They could have traded him at a later time if they did not see him in the long term plans. This is what Nonis said after the buyout.

“I would like to thank Mikhail for his contributions with the Leafs over the past five seasons,†Leafs GM Dave Nonis said in a statement. “This was not an easy decision to make as Mikhail made numerous contributions to our hockey club. This is a roster move that will give us salary cap flexibility moving forward.â€


As we all know that cap flexibility was used up quickly on a five million dollar plug and also prevented the team from being able to take on a player at the trade dead line. These are the kind of disasters that happen when incompetent owners fire a competent GM like Brian Burke and hire a stooge who is only good for making coffee runs in the morning.

Exactly

 

[dsf]

FYI, Brandon Perri has 7 points in 10 games. Cost : 3rd Round pick for Florida.

A good Torontonian could play in 3rd or 4th line with descent scoring upside. I will take him over Raymond.

Just saying

Raymond 8 points in last 10, cost: nothing.

 

[dsf]

Exactly.

This is Randy's group now - he's got the tools. Get it done or go home. Doing nothing was the best decision Nonis made all season.

Tools being the operative word. Unfortunately there's quite a few with no use.

 

[Faltorvo]

He used to be.

he was not at the trade deadline and that is the point I was making, the risk of losing him for no return was eliminated.

Columbus made the tougher long term call, Gaborik was not inked by the TD so they chose to not lose his asset value for no return.

 

[Bluelines]

For his first 10-15 Leaf games everyone on this forum was saying how great Gleason was. You guys sure change your minds a lot.

He;s a very good 3/4 pairing on any team, clearly teh other posters has Everyoneisgoodbutaleaf syndrome or EIGBALS... its an affliction some leaf fans get its is characterized by not appreciating the player for what he is and thinking because he is not a HOF he is a bum.

 

[TiMo15]

The biggest mistake Nonis made was not acquiring a backup goaltender at the deadline. Reimer has completely choked under pressure when the team needed it the most.

I wouldn't agree. Reimer might not be able to be the No.1 goalie, but he definitely showed that he is the NHL goalie for the last couple years. The problem is he is losing confident and can't save the team when the team needs him the most in this critical situation right now. How do you ensure that the other backup would be able to do it right now?

 

[noBSleafsFAN]

Can't really say, with Bernier hurt and Reimer lost, I doubt any move could help this team right now unless somehow a top pairing defenceman was added

 

[legendinblue]

Maybe it will take missing the playoffs for Nonis to wake up.

 

[WhatASaveDave]

Man Nonis should've only made the Bernier trade in the off season and the Gleason trade in season:

Jvr - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Raymond
MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin
Komorov - Mcclement - Bodie

Gunnarson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Gleason - Rielly

Bernier
Reimer

 

[Al14]

Maybe it will take missing the playoffs for Nonis to wake up.

Maybe, missing the playoffs will wake up TL, and, he'll fire Nonis and Carlyle.

Doing nothing at the deadline was a result of the stupidity of the Clarkson signing! Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[I am Canadian]

This team is not going to go far in the playoffs even if we make it.

What's the point of wasting assets on rentals?

 

[thewave]

Man Nonis should've only made the Bernier trade in the off season and the Gleason trade in season:

Jvr - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Raymond
MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin
Komorov - Mcclement - Bodie

Gunnarson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Gleason - Rielly

Bernier
Reimer

That's a far better team