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Ruutu Tootoo said:
Okay well, there’s a difference between that and arguing fair value.
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Value is defined by what a team needs and what another team is prepared to pay, and only by that. Players don't exist in a vacuum.

In this particular case, Buffalo has young players coming up the wazoo, to the point that they will be hard pressed to find roster spots for all of them, but more importantly to the point that they aren't really surrounding them with enough experienced veterans to teach them.

So what they need is more veterans who are more than 4th liners, and who can play a physical game. In other words: more players like Greenway (or better). So your offer of an AHL-player plus a draftpick does nothing for them. Foote has no chance of making the team, and the 2nd rounder is not giving them anything they don't already have in abundance

Which isn't to say that Buffalo may not opt to trade him at the deadline if it looks like he won't re-sign, but until then, they have no reason to throw him away and weaken their roster like that.
 
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Ruutu Tootoo said:
Thoughts?
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greenway hasn't done anything to earn a raise in buffalo, he is a UFA that will leave. the proposal is fair but doesn't help the sabres make the playoffs next season. they have signed a core for at least the next 4 years, so they need a win now rfa/elc guy in the return. cotter or macdermid or diote and a lower pick in 2027 may functionally be better.
 
I'd rather extend Greenway. 2nd + 4th + Cotter or a 1st + 4th would maybe change things a bit but Greenway does a good job on line 2-4 and brings an element we lack.
I don't think I trade him for a late first if I can extend him.

I know Buffalo normally gives a 50% discount when trading but I hope our GM stops at some point. We need more players like Greenway, not less.
 
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Sanderson said:
Value is defined by what a team needs and what another team is prepared to pay, and only by that. Players don't exist in a vacuum.

In this particular case, Buffalo has young players coming up the wazoo, to the point that they will be hard pressed to find roster spots for all of them, but more importantly to the point that they aren't really surrounding them with enough experienced veterans to teach them.

So what they need is more veterans who are more than 4th liners, and who can play a physical game. In other words: more players like Greenway (or better). So your offer of an AHL-player plus a draftpick does nothing for them. Foote has no chance of making the team, and the 2nd rounder is not giving them anything they don't already have in abundance

Which isn't to say that Buffalo may not opt to trade him at the deadline if it looks like he won't re-sign, but until then, they have no reason to throw him away and weaken their roster like that.
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All your saying is very true. I’m not suggesting this happens tomorrow. In the event that Buffalo is out of the playoffs, that would be his value, or adding a mid round pick in lieu of Foote. A trade of a second round pick isn’t nothing. It would be foolish not to get something for Greenway. Buffalo doest have what would be called an abundance of picks, they have the standard amount. It could also be used as a chip to trade for another player at the draft. Buffalo definitely needs start taking some swings with futures in order to get some impact players in there.
 
Ruutu Tootoo said:
All your saying is very true. I’m not suggesting this happens tomorrow. In the event that Buffalo is out of the playoffs, that would be his value, or adding a mid round pick in lieu of Foote. A trade of a second round pick isn’t nothing. It would be foolish not to get something for Greenway. Buffalo doest have what would be called an abundance of picks, they have the standard amount. It could also be used as a chip to trade for another player at the draft. Buffalo definitely needs start taking some swings with futures in order to get some impact players in there.
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A 2nd round pick isn't gonna get us an impact player. Its gonna get us a Greenway level player...
 
Mattilaus said:
The whole thread premise is bad. Why does Buffalo trade one of their only bright spots for a pick that they don't need due to their abundance of young highly drafted prospects? Why are we doing NJ a favour and trading away something we need for something we don't need?
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Because Sabres fans have big hearts and and like giving?

The team will never make you happy so why not make another fanbase happy?

:sarcasm::naughty:
 
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Ruutu Tootoo said:
:devils
Jordan Greenway (50% retained from BUF)

:sabres
2025 NJD Conditional 2nd Round Pick
(Condition: Earliest of the Utah, WPG, and NJD picks)

Nolan Foote

Thoughts?
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I see no reason for Buffalo do to this. What do they need a 2025 pick around 44th overall? That's a player that won't help them until 2029? If ever?

Nolan Foote is a nothing burger. We all know this by now.
 
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It looks as though Sabres fans haven't watched their own team to know where they're sitting in the standings. I can't blame them after so many years of mediocrity, but it is pretty standard practice to trade expiring UFAs for picks... and standard to expect a 2nd or worse back for a third liner who isn't exactly lighting the world on fire so far this year.
 
VeteranPresence said:
It looks as though Sabres fans haven't watched their own team to know where they're sitting in the standings. I can't blame them after so many years of mediocrity, but it is pretty standard practice to trade expiring UFAs for picks... and standard to expect a 2nd or worse back for a third liner who isn't exactly lighting the world on fire so far this year.
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Why do the Sabres need more picks? Why trade him for less of a return than we bought him for? Why trade him when was a specific target for the team? We paid a 2nd for Malenstyn and Greenway is twice the player.

Buffalo need to extend good players, not trade them.

The offer in the op makes no sense.
 
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McJedi said:
I see no reason for Buffalo do to this. What do they need a 2025 pick around 44th overall? That's a player that won't help them until 2029? If ever?

Nolan Foote is a nothing burger. We all know this by now.
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When did a burger become a unit of measurement? If he was decent would he be a decent burger? I know fans of the New Orleans Saints used to talk about burgers as units of points. When Brees was still there they'd speculate about a forty burger agains the bad teams for example.
 
My3Sons said:
When did a burger become a unit of measurement? If he was decent would he be a decent burger? I know fans of the New Orleans Saints used to talk about burgers as units of points. When Brees was still there they'd speculate about a forty burger agains the bad teams for example.
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it was gonna be a thing but you just ruined it....
 
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Ruutu Tootoo said:
:devils
Jordan Greenway (50% retained from BUF)

:sabres
2025 NJD Conditional 2nd Round Pick
(Condition: Earliest of the Utah, WPG, and NJD picks)

Nolan Foote

Thoughts?
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No way in hell..
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I'll take Nemec

VeteranPresence said:
It looks as though Sabres fans haven't watched their own team to know where they're sitting in the standings. I can't blame them after so many years of mediocrity, but it is pretty standard practice to trade expiring UFAs for picks... and standard to expect a 2nd or worse back for a third liner who isn't exactly lighting the world on fire so far this year.
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Lighting up is not is role. Hes fine in his role.
 
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