Nicolas Roy to have hearing with NHL Player Safety for cross checking Trent Frederic (fined $7,812.50)

[potatowejj]

Don't know how that isn't at least 1-2 games. No excuse for that, he's lucky they didn't end it on that powerplay.

 

[Summer Rose]

Pretty similar to what Benn did against Mark Stone back in the 2023 WCF. He got 3 games despite the stakes and having no suspension history. That was also early in game 3 and he also received a 5 minute major and game misconduct, so it functioned like a 4 game suspension.

Based on that, at least 2-3 games seems reasonable here. Less intent by Roy relative to Benn's hit, but still a nasty and completely unnecessary play.

I'm kind of leaning towards that he actually was kind of trying to play the puck and didn't really have much (or any) intent, he just attempted to "play the puck" in just about the most idiotic fashion possible in the situation. Bringing up the Benn incident as a comparison is fair, and since you said 2-3 but there's clearly less intent by Roy, I'd say that 2 games is reasonable for it.

However, we all know how consistent DOPS is with their rulings, so who the hell knows?

 

[theVladiator]

Do not see how Benn's crosscheck is a good comparable.

Benn:
* against a vulnerable opponent
* clearly intentional
* dangerous mechanics with Benn's weight behind the move

Roy:
* reactionary, unintentional

For my taste, the most recent example most similar to Roy's crosscheck would be Soucy's crosscheck on McDavid. 1 game last year.

 

[Summer Rose]

Do not see how Benn's crosscheck is a good comparable.

Benn:
* against a vulnerable opponent
* clearly intentional
* dangerous mechanics with Benn's weight behind the move

Roy:
* reactionary, unintentional

For my taste, the most recent example most similar to Roy's crosscheck would be Soucy's crosscheck on McDavid. 1 game last year.

I think one could make the case that Roy's cross check was also against a vulnerable opponent, just vulnerable for different reasons, but I will decline to pick a side on that one.

 

[McFlyingV]

I'm kind of leaning towards that he actually was kind of trying to play the puck and didn't really have much (or any) intent, he just attempted to "play the puck" in just about the most idiotic fashion possible in the situation. Bringing up the Benn incident as a comparison is fair, and since you said 2-3 but there's clearly less intent by Roy, I'd say that 2 games is reasonable for it.

However, we all know how consistent DOPS is with their rulings, so who the hell knows?

There's multiple angles showing the puck is no where near where he cross checks towards. He's trying to cross check Frederic, obviously not in the face, but that's where he got him. I think 1 game is reasonable given that the intent wasn't there, but the recklessness was. Still have to be held accountable for reckless decisions.

To clarify, he lifts his arms in the air trying to play the puck, but once he misses it and it goes off his own visor he decides to throw a cross check with his stick at eye level, which is just completely idiotic decision making.

 

[HanSolo]

Dumbass doing dumbass things cause he's a dumbass

 

[Bank Shot]

Do not see how Benn's crosscheck is a good comparable.

Benn:
* against a vulnerable opponent
* clearly intentional
* dangerous mechanics with Benn's weight behind the move

Roy:
* reactionary, unintentional

For my taste, the most recent example most similar to Roy's crosscheck would be Soucy's crosscheck on McDavid. 1 game last year.

Also Benn is a star player and was having a good playoffs so the suspension was probably shorter than it should have been because its not "fair" to his team to give a guy a well earned suspension that could potentially affect the outcome of the series.

 

[LT]

Do not see how Benn's crosscheck is a good comparable.

Benn:
* against a vulnerable opponent
* clearly intentional
* dangerous mechanics with Benn's weight behind the move

Roy:
* reactionary, unintentional

For my taste, the most recent example most similar to Roy's crosscheck would be Soucy's crosscheck on McDavid. 1 game last year.

I'm making that comparison based on it being a blatant and unnecessary cross check to the face.

Benn's punishment was a 5 minute major and effectively a 4 game suspension in the WCF. Roy also got the 5 minute major, but the lack of intent and it occurring late in the game means the punishment should not be as severe as Benn's. Hence 2 games.

 

[Jumptheshark]

This thread here--I will ask "what if it was one of your players"?

 

[Summer Rose]

You all make pretty good points. I have no doubt that he deserves to be suspended, so while I said earlier that I think 2 games would be reasonable, who the hell knows with how DOPS will determine the number of games. I can see the cases arguing for more than 2, or just 1.

The only thing that would shock me is if DOPS gives him either just a fine, or nothing at all.

 

[3074326]

You can see to what Nic was reacting to. Frederic puts his hands on his stick and his right arm goes up a bit like he was going to be throwing a cross check himself but he stops the motion. The slow mo shows it pretty well, the puck pops up in the air and Frederic was reacting to that, he makes a little move towards the puck with his arms but stops and Roy throws a reactionary cross check to protect himself from what he thought was coming. No problem at all if he sits the next game but as with DOPS we'll see where the blind dart throw lands.

If his first instinct is to throw a high crosscheck in response to possibly getting hit, that somehow makes me feel worse about it.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I honestly dont know what he was thinking. Cross check at the puck? What awful aim and reasoning that would be. No idea why he would intentially cross check him in the face, but thats what he did.

His aim was actually pretty good, he did hit the puck I think

 

[Eyeseeing]

Stupid and reckless
2 games dumbass

 

[Hale The Villain]

Pretty obvious he intended to hit the puck with his stick when it popped into the air, so a suspension for this after all the NHL has let go recently seems harsh.

An absolute boneheaded move though and fully deserving of a 5 minute major.

 

[Sheppy]

That should be 2. He got him right in the kisser.

 

[Goose]

Intent matters and I think it’s as clear as you can get in a situation like this that Roy was not trying to get him in the face.

It looks like he wanted to check on him afterwards but the refs were pushing him away.

This is so egregious that it makes no sense Roy would do this and be as calm as he was or without any history between them. Anytime we see this type of violence it’s almost always connected with someone snapping and going into berserk rage mode.

I’m okay with max fine or a 1 gamer, anything more just doesn’t make much sense without intent.

With intent though, I’d say 5-10.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Brendan Gallagher at home absolutely seething

 

[snag]

His aim was actually pretty good, he did hit the puck I think

He whiffed completely. It wound up hitting his visor. In fact, it his his visor before he crosschecks him. Video start point is set to show it...

 

[Oilslick941611]

Intent matters and I think it’s as clear as you can get in a situation like this that Roy was not trying to get him in the face.

It looks like he wanted to check on him afterwards but the refs were pushing him away.

This is so egregious that it makes no sense Roy would do this and be as calm as he was or without any history between them. Anytime we see this type of violence it’s almost always connected with someone snapping and going into berserk rage mode.

I’m okay with max fine or a 1 gamer, anything more just doesn’t make much sense without intent.

With intent though, I’d say 5-10.

Right, so one just causally aims a cross check at head height and it’s not “intentional” this is as intentional as it gets. He even jumps into it.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

It was intentional. The officials determined that upon review, and you can clearly see in the replay that he looked up at the puck, then looked over a Frederic before delivering the crosscheck after ignoring the puck.

I doubt he was trying to hurt Frederic, because just why? Roy is probably just stupid.

5 and a game was probably sufficient, but maybe he'll have to square off in the regular season.

Between Pietrangelo and Roy, the Knights have had some insane stick infractions against the Oilers in the playoffs. I know there's a lot of blow on the strip, but calm down guys.

 

[SullivanT]

Honestly it looks like he knew exactly what he was doing just the force and how much he followed through with it while staring him in the face. Don't know how one can argue otherwise.

Definitely not a mistake ypu want to make in OT though that's for sure.

 

[syz]

Pretty similar to what Benn did against Mark Stone back in the 2023 WCF. He got 3 games despite the stakes and having no suspension history. That was also early in game 3 and he also received a 5 minute major and game misconduct, so it functioned like a 4 game suspension.

Based on that, at least 2-3 games seems reasonable here. Less intent by Roy relative to Benn's hit, but still a nasty and completely unnecessary play.

Did Benn really not have prior history at that point?

 

[snag]

Did Benn really not have prior history at that point?

4 fines but never a suspension

 

[bleedgreen]

One game is fair. It looks ridiculous but I think he really was trying for the puck and made a real crap instinctive move. He has to sit for it though. He doesn’t have a history of being that guy. I don’t think it should be longer than 2, but I’d do one.

 

[LT]

Did Benn really not have prior history at that point?

That remains his first and only suspension. He's had a few other fines, I believe, but that's it.