NHL to talk to teams about tampering (the GMs)

[Golden_Jet]

lol. Just sell them.


No. The nhl should have disclosed everything regarding punishments to him before he bought the team.

Poster doesn’t like facts,
Poster ducking the facts from yesterday, his team has one playoff win in last 20 years.
And has never won more than 2 series in a year, during the history of the team.

 

[joestevens29]

The TSN transcript of their round table seemed to get heated on this. Gonna have to watch the video now

Seems rough to prove

 

[qc14]

Obviously they're never going to get rid of tampering but I think this past summer was particularly egregious. As a Caps fan I remember seeing Friedman's "prediction" of Roy to WSH like a full week before July 1.

My guess is this is the league doing it's own little bit of tampering -- signaling to agents and GMs that they're going to have to make an example out of anything particularly egregious to keep up some appearances.

 

[Relapsing]

IMO, anyone referencing the dadanov debacle in reply to Andlauer statement is huffing pure deflection. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Stop trying to make it one.

 

[Shane Diesel]

He’s got a real beef. Not all the issues were disclosed to him before he bought the sens.

Incorrect.

"Andlauer was made aware of this potential Dadonov ruling while he was undergoing his due diligence process before finalizing the sale of the Senators."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5021812/2023/11/02/senators-michael-andlauer-pierre-dorion/

 

[miscs75]

Do it the right way. Remove all modern technology from staff offices and force them to rely on telegrams, typewriters and rotary phones like when Lou started as a GM in 1912.

 

[Bileur]

Incorrect.

"Andlauer was made aware of this potential Dadonov ruling while he was undergoing his due diligence process before finalizing the sale of the Senators."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5021812/2023/11/02/senators-michael-andlauer-pierre-dorion/

This is intentionally misleading. Here’s the rest of the paragraph you cut off :

But he was told it would be a “non-issue” — meaning the penalty likely wouldn’t amount to much. On Wednesday, a visibly agitated Andlauer asked rhetorically, “I don’t know if a first-rounder is a non-issue for you guys. But it is to me.”

Really not good for your credibility to misquote articles.

 

[Shane Diesel]

This is intentionally misleading. Here’s the test of the paragraph you cut off :



Really not good for your credibility to misquote articles.

I didn't misquote the article. The poster I responded to said the NHL didn't inform him of the issue. They did. And he never followed up pre-sale. Not a good look for your credibility when you can't follow the train of thought.

 

[Bileur]

What Brooks says has zero bearing on if the Rangers tampered or not. You can't keep others informed when you think Brooks works for the Rangers.

It all comes down to intent as explained by this sports lawyer

I didn't misquote the article. The poster I responded to said the NHL didn't inform him of the issue. They did. And he never followed up pre-sale. Not a good look for your credibility when you can't follow the train of thought.

You absolutely misquoted the article, you posted half a paragraph, intentionally cutting off the part that contextualizes what Andlauer was told and confirms you’re attempting to mislead.

Now you’re doubling down.

 

[Shane Diesel]

You absolutely misquoted the article, you posted half a paragraph, intentionally cutting off the part that contextualizes what Andlauer was told and confirms you’re attempting to mislead.

We both agree he was told of an investigation. You want to argue the adjective used to describe the severity of said investigation negates this fact. It doesn't.

A billionaire not satisfactorily confirming the status of an open investigation into the organization he was attempting to buy isn't the fault of the NHL, but I know it makes Sens fans feel better to shift the blame to some nefarious NHL conspiracy than acknowledge the shortcomings of their favorite hockey organization.

Now you’re doubling down.

Here is literally the post I responded to:

He’s got a real beef. Not all the issues were disclosed to him before he bought the sens.

The statement is factually inaccurate as demonstrated by the quote and link I provided. I'm sorry you went off half-cocked on this one, but the self-righteous anger is simply unwarranted.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I didn't misquote the article. The poster I responded to said the NHL didn't inform him of the issue. They did. And he never followed up pre-sale. Not a good look for your credibility when you can't follow the train of thought.

lol they. told him it was a "non issue" then it was an issue. Im glad oyu got called out on cherry picking a quote, saved me from doing it

Also what you provided doesnt defeat the premise of what i said which was that he wasnt disclosed the punishment that was coming.


Also why did you feel the need to quote me twice on it?

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

I mean if Kyle Davidson mentioned to Miko Rantanen's agent that the Blackhawks would not be outbid should he hit UFA status, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

[Shane Diesel]

lol they. told him it was a "non issue" then it was an issue. Im glad oyu got called out on cherry picking a quote, saved me from doing it

Was he informed of an investigation into the Dorian situation before he purchased the team? Yes or no?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Was he informed of an investigation into the Dorian situation before he purchased the team? Yes or no?

lol

to to the letter of the word sure, but he was told it was a non issue. You know damn well what i meant by what i said.

Does it make you feel better that he was technically disclosed that an issue existed, but in the same breath told that it was a non issue which lead him to believe that no punishment was coming? In my mind disclosure means being aware of the issue and potential punishments from that issue, not just being told about it. You seem pretty belligerent on this issue so we are just going to not see eye to eye on this.

 

[Bileur]

lol

to to the letter of the word sure, but he was told it was a non issue. You know damn well what i meant by what i said.

Does it make you feel better that he was technically disclosed that an issue existed, but in the same breath told that it was a non issue which lead him to believe that no punishment was coming? In my mind disclosure means being aware of the issue and potential punishments from that issue, not just being told about it. You seem pretty belligerent on this issue so we are just going to not see eye to eye on this.

In Shane’s mind if you go to a store and ask to use the bathroom and are told:

“technically it’s for employees only but don’t worry about it”

it’s entirely natural for police to be waiting outside the bathroom to charge you with trespassing. You were clearly told it was for employees only. Context is irrelevant.

 

[umma gumma]

Was he informed of an investigation into the Dorian situation before he purchased the team? Yes or no?

Why do you keep ignoring the important bit where he was told it would be an non-issue? Is losing a 1st rounder an non-issue to you?

 

[Divine]

It all comes down to intent as explained by this sports lawyer

Yes, clearly.

Now the Rangers say they never said that. The league said there’s no evidence the Rangers ever did that. So what is Andlauer crying to the media about?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Incorrect.

"Andlauer was made aware of this potential Dadonov ruling while he was undergoing his due diligence process before finalizing the sale of the Senators."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5021812/2023/11/02/senators-michael-andlauer-pierre-dorion/

Right after that

But he was told it would be a “non-issue” — meaning the penalty likely wouldn’t amount to much. On Wednesday, a visibly agitated Andlauer asked rhetorically, “I don’t know if a first-rounder is a non-issue for you guys. But it is to me.”

 

[Bileur]

Yes, clearly.

Now the Rangers say they never said that. The league said there’s no evidence the Rangers ever did that. So what is Andlauer crying to the media about?

There seems to be some confusion about timelines.

Andlauer voiced his concern with the media before the Rangers denied wrongdoing.

I’m not sure what “crying” you’re talking about.

The only way to see whether anything untoward happened would be for the NHL to investigate, which they won’t do.

 

[Divine]

There seems to be some confusion about timelines.

Andlauer voiced his concern with the media before the Rangers denied wrongdoing.

I’m not sure what “crying” you’re talking about.

The only way to see whether anything untoward happened would be for the NHL to investigate, which they won’t do.

It was reported Andlauer voiced his concern to the media after they said the NHL said they found no wrongdoing. The NHL only told the public they found no wrongdoing after Andlauer went to the media, but the investigation happened prior to any of that.

He went to the league initially, they said they found no evidence of wrongdoing after interviewing and meeting with the Rangers. He then did a sit down interview with the media (The Athletic) expressing his concern, after already being told by the league it was fine. That was the crying part. He didn’t get his way so he started sulking to the media hoping to put pressure on the league.

I don’t get what more investigation you want the league to do - Andlauer is always playing the victim. You can’t take anything he says seriously.

First he claimed the league manipulated him to overpaying for the Senators.

Then he claimed the Senators should get their draft pick back because he’s a new owner and shouldn’t inherit the teams prior mistakes?

Now he’s saying other teams are tampering with no evidence and wants the league to waste its time in another of his witch hunts.

 

[umma gumma]

It was reported Andlauer voiced his concern to the media after they said the NHL said they found no wrongdoing. The NHL only told the public they found no wrongdoing after Andlauer went to the media, but the investigation happened prior to any of that.

He went to the league initially, they said they found no evidence of wrongdoing after interviewing and meeting with the Rangers. He then did a sit down interview with the media (The Athletic) expressing his concern, after already being told by the league it was fine. That was the crying part. He didn’t get his way so he started sulking to the media hoping to put pressure on the league.

I don’t get what more investigation you want the league to do - Andlauer is always playing the victim. You can’t take anything he says seriously.

First he claimed the league manipulated him to overpaying for the Senators.

Then he claimed the Senators should get their draft pick back because he’s a new owner and shouldn’t inherit the teams prior mistakes?

Now he’s saying other teams are tampering with no evidence and wants the league to waste its time in another of his witch hunts.

He should complain. He was told it was a non issue only to have to forfeit a 1st once the deal was done. You see no problem with that?

 

[Divine]

He should complain. He was told it was a non issue only to have to forfeit a 1st once the deal was done. You see no problem with that?

That logic doesn't make any sense.

If you got scammed and feel the person who scammed you did it intentionally do you expect the scammer to now help you if you complain to them with no higher authority? No, you're likely to get scammed further.

If he hates owning the Senators so much, he can sell them. Sure, he might have to take a loss but it's his own fault for overpaying for a poor franchise. Other buyers were dropping out of the bidding process for a reason - it was his decision to turn a blind eye to it.

 

[umma gumma]

That logic doesn't make any sense.

If you got scammed and feel the person who scammed you did it intentionally do you expect the scammer to now help you if you complain to them with no higher authority? No, you're likely to get scammed further.

If he hates owning the Senators so much, he can sell them. Sure, he might have to take a loss but it's his own fault for overpaying for a poor franchise. Other buyers were dropping out of the bidding process for a reason - it was his decision to turn a blind eye to it.

You didn't answer the question.

He was told it was a non issue while negotiating. He was then told he had to give up a first once the deal was done. Giving up a first is indeed an issue. There is a problem there.

 

[Divine]

You didn't answer the question.

He was told it was a non issue while negotiating. He was then told he had to give up a first once the deal was done. Giving up a first is indeed an issue. There is a problem there.

Andlauer says he was told it was a non-issue. Andlauer also says the Rangers were tampering. Where is the evidence?

Tell him to bring some evidence next time instead of crying wolf every chance he gets. The consistent baseless claims from an owner are embarassing.

Senators fans believe him, no one else does. If he brings evidence, maybe everyone will believe him but he never does.

 

[Voight]

I just don't know how you stop it.

Christian Horner says Lewis Hamilton's Dad reached out to see if Lewis could come to Red Bull. Lewis says that didn't happen and his Dad was just calling to...err....talk about the weather I suppose? And as ridiculous as that sounds, who is going to be able to prove otherwise?

MackInnon could call Sid tomorrow and tell him to ask for a trade to Colorado, league couldn't prove that nor is it against the rules for players to talk to each other.


This happens in the NBA all the time, guys hang out in the off season and concoct plans to play together. Bron, Wade and Melo all planned during the 2006 World Cup to team up in 2010 when they'd all be free agents; Melo ended up flopping and signing a 5 year deal as opposed to the three year ones Bron & Wade got.