NHL Players Reportedly Bothered By Jacob Trouba Trade Saga With Rangers

[Viqsi]

I guess he should’ve signed a NMC then?

I mean... should've negotiated for an NMC I guess.

If you want to go to teams like Vegas or NY, make sure you get a NMC. They treat their players like commodities because they know they can just sign whoever else they want.

He could have given up money in exchange for a NMC. He didn't.

Trouba did have an NMC. He explicitly negotiated it to last until his wife's residency would be completed. Then COVID happened and that residency's end date got pushed back a year.

Source: Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

When Trouba signed this current seven-year, $56M contract in July of 2019 after having been acquired as a pending restricted free agent from Winnipeg, his five-year no-movement clause was designed to expire in conjunction with his wife Kelly Tyson-Trouba’s completion of her three-year residency at a New York hospital.

But Dr. Tyson-Trouba’s residency was deferred for a year at the start so that the program which she is required to complete will end instead on July 1, 2025.

 

[Shocker]

Yeah, should have probably negotiated for a full NMC on top of that M-NTC, that's on you.

 

[WarriorofTime]

“What bothered the players I think to a large degree was if you can’t be traded to certain teams, why should you be allowed to go to those teams on waivers. I think that they are going to ask the players association to do is have a conversation in the upcoming CBA negotiations that maybe there should be just one form of protection.”

It's a valid question from a legal contract negotiation standpoint. Everyone acknowledges nothing on this topic would be addressed prior to the next CBA.

 

[Yepthatsme]

You don’t have to care about someone’s problems as long as they’re more successful than you has got to be one of the weirdest internet phenomenon.

A player with a NTC was pretty much just forced to be traded to a team that was on his NTC by the sounds of it. A key part of the contracts players negotiate just became practically null and void because of this loop hole. Players are obviously going to be up in arms over this, and it will probably be something players want addressed in a CBA.

174 players in the league have NTC currently, this will be a massive issue amongst the players.

 

[Viqsi]

Yeah, should have probably negotiated for a full NMC on top of that M-NTC, that's on you.

He did. Post immediately above yours.

 

[LeafGrief]

They hand out way too many NTC's and NMC's as it is. I have very little sympathy for hockey players with guaranteed contracts acting like they're owed anything above and beyond their millions. A player's personal feelings should not dictate an organization's future for half a decade. The league would be better if NTC's and NMC's were removed entirely.

 

[Shocker]

He did. Post immediately above yours.

I edited it to include the word full to clarify.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Trouba did have an NMC. He explicitly negotiated it to last until his wife's residency would be completed. Then COVID happened and that residency's end date got pushed back a year.

Source: Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

Well that’s his problem, should have negotiated a full NMC, instead of changing it to M-NTC mid contract.

Hopefully they eliminate these NTC’s, would be better,
They already have guaranteed contracts.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Trouba did have an NMC. He explicitly negotiated it to last until his wife's residency would be completed. Then COVID happened and that residency's end date got pushed back a year.

Source: Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

Yeah the Rangers “did nothing wrong” by the letter of the CBA, but I do think it’s a shitty thing to do ultimately. He was very clear from the beginning about his priorities and why he was signing a contract the shape of the one he did. Not like he could have predicted Covid, lol.

Won’t change anything, obviously, but I think it’s very understandable if it leaves a bad taste in some people’s mouths.

 

[Oilslick941611]

My heart goes out to them, just imagine making 10s of millions of dollars and you can't even be sure you're going to stay in the same location. Hopefully the media covers this over other more trivial stuff like wars, famine or crime.

Amazing false equivalency here.

In no way does sports media prevent any of those other things you mention from being covered.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not surprised everyone on here had to spit out their hot take before reading the article or understanding what's actually going on with this discussion. It's a CBA issue more than a Trouba issue.

 

[Viqsi]

I edited it to include the word full to clarify.

Well that’s his problem, should have negotiated a full NMC, instead of changing it to M-NTC mid contract.

Hopefully they eliminate these NTC’s, would be better,
They already have guaranteed contracts.

That hardly qualifies as a clarification or even a rationale. He was evidently up to moving to other places as need be once the residency was completed; the plan had been built into his contract. I can easily see him perceiving that as a "I tried to give my team flexibility when I could afford it and got burned for it" situation and he would arguably not be wrong to see it that way. If renegotiations were an option, I'd imagine he'd have pursued that.

I mean, after what he pulled with the Jets I'm not exactly overflowing with sympathy for him either, but this "well gosh then he shoulda" line is just completely nonsensical.

 

[Il Stugotz]

I actually do agree that players should be able to negotiate waiver-pickup protection like they do trade protection

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He did. Post immediately above yours.

But it had expired on July 1st, 2024. Tough cookies that her program got deferred a year.

 

[Tawnos]

The article implies that the players will push for a NTC to become a NMC only to the specific teams listed in the clause. Put a player with a NTC on waivers and he’s only available to the teams he’d be able to be traded to. Part of me feels like that does make sense. I wouldn’t really have a problem with that adjustment.

Regarding Trouba specifically, he’s the one who started playing hardball with his M-NTC by creating a list meant to prevent the Rangers from moving him at all. Just for example, Anaheim might not have been on his no trade list if it were just about where he would or would not like to play. Instead, they were on the list because they were one of the teams with the cap space to take on his contract. He took his M-NTC, which is supposed to be about giving the team flexibility while leaving the player with some control, and turned it into a full NTC. It’s within his rights to use the clause in that way, but in making that choice he set himself up to have the team play hardball right back.

 

[ESH]

Trouba did have an NMC. He explicitly negotiated it to last until his wife's residency would be completed. Then COVID happened and that residency's end date got pushed back a year.

Source: Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

I do feel for him then. He clearly wants to stay close with his wife/family and tried his best to create a situation where he could be. It sucks that everything didn’t go exactly how he wanted, but I’m sure he’ll be able to figure out a way to make it work.

 

[Viqsi]

But it had expired on July 1st, 2024. Tough cookies that her program got deferred a year.

"Tough cookies" being the reaction is precisely why other players would find this whole situation disturbing. This attitude leads to more NMCs and even more lock-in.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That hardly qualifies as a clarification or even a rationale. He was evidently up to moving to other places as need be once the residency was completed; the plan had been built into his contract. I can easily see him perceiving that as a "I tried to give my team flexibility when I could afford it and got burned for it" situation and he would arguably not be wrong to see it that way. If renegotiations were an option, I'd imagine he'd have pursued that.

I mean, after what he pulled with the Jets I'm not exactly overflowing with sympathy for him either, but this "well gosh then he shoulda" line is just completely nonsensical.

Like you’ve brought anything rationale lol
Rangers did nothing wrong.
How about when Trouba forced his way out of Winnipeg, gets that’s ok with you.

If players complain about this , owners will push for removing NTC.
Which would be better overall.

 

[Bocephus86]

HF, a forum full of random regulars, align with Billionaires over Millionaires. If only I was surprised, but I've learned over the last ~ 12 years people are easily distracted.

 

[WarriorofTime]

What loophole?

Player has no trade protection for half the League.

Team says waive it or we put you on waivers, now you go from protection from half the League to protection from zero teams.

Essentially saying to player "tough sh*t about your No Trade Clause, pick which of these teams you would hate going to the least or else it's entirely out of your hands"

End result, no protection clause effectively went away.

 

[Oilslick941611]

"Tough cookies" being the reaction is precisely why other players would find this whole situation disturbing. This attitude leads to more NMCs and even more lock-in.

Yah. It’s an awful attitude to have. Fans seem to think that because players can make millions they can throw their humanity out the window.

I don’t even give shit about trouba. I think his hockey persona is a jerk and I don’t like how he plays the game. But this has the potential to became a sticking point with the PA and lead to another lockout. It’s going to reverberate around the league.

 

[Viqsi]

Like you’ve brought anything rationale lol
Rangers did nothing wrong.
How about when Trouba forced his way out of Winnipeg, gets that’s ok with you.

Literally in the quote you are replying to. Right f***ing there.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

HF, a forum full of random regulars, align with Billionaires over Millionaires. If only I was surprised, but I've learned over the last ~ 12 years people are easily distracted.

GMs are billionaires?

 

[thedjpd]

Yeah the Rangers “did nothing wrong” by the letter of the CBA, but I do think it’s a shitty thing to do ultimately. He was very clear from the beginning about his priorities and why he was signing a contract the shape of the one he did. Not like he could have predicted Covid, lol.

Won’t change anything, obviously, but I think it’s very understandable if it leaves a bad taste in some people’s mouths.

I edited it to include the word full to clarify.

But NTCs don’t protect you from waivers anyway. Just because you have one doesn’t mean you are 100% safe.

If I move to another city for a new job and get fired, the company doesn’t give a shit what happens to me at that point.

It’s entitlement in its finest and you plan the best you can. Oh, he has an NMC that ended inconveniently due to Covid? Poor baby. Lots of people had a bunch of unplanned crap happen to the as a result of a totally unpredictable world phenomenon.

Deal with it.

Or do what the rest of us do: make yourself invaluable so this isn’t even a concern.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I have a feeling the PA will get this loophole closed next CBA.

What loophole? It’s the difference between a NTC and NMC.