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Are you saying that McDermott is on Reid’s level as a coach, he’s just not recognized for it yet?

Reid’s won three super bowls and been to five since he got his HOF QB. He hasn’t missed an AFC championship game in that time, even with some bad defenses. McDermott’s had Allen playing at that level for five years, and he’s yet to even reach the dance.

Listen, I like McDermott, I think he’s pretty good. But he’s not Reid. He’s not Belichick. Allen doesn’t have one of the best TEs of all time. But I’m supposed to be content with a sub-par group of pass catchers because Brady and Mahomes won super bowls with Chris Hogan and Justin Watson getting snaps? Spare me.
Andy Reid was the guy who couldn’t win the big game in Philly.

Last game of each Playoffs:
Lost the the Giants
Lost to the Rams
Lost to the Bucs
Lost to the Panthers
Lost to the Pats (Super Bowl)
Lost to the Saints
Lost to the Cardinals
Lost to the Cowboys
Lost to the Packers

Five seasons where they didn’t make the playoffs.

Reid was what we’re complaining about McDermott. Couldn’t win the big game. 1-4 in the conference finals. 0-1 in the Super Bowl.

I’m not saying McDermott is Reid, but for a long time, Reid wasn’t this guru genius. He was exactly what we’re saying McDermott is now.

Re: receivers. Spare me the “sub-par” comment on receivers. Shakir is in the conversation for best a lot receiver in the NFL based on his catch percentage and YAC. Palmer was a priority free agent noted by a lot of analytics guys. Coleman has Michael Thomas type potential. Samuel is a good third receiver who wasn’t used well. Average? Sure. But they put up a lot of points last season. And Palmer is a Hollins upgrade, and Cooper was hurt a lot. So were Coleman and Kincaid.

I’ll take the Bills overall team over a team constructed like the Bengals or Dolphins.
 
I might be crazy, but I’ll trust the GM that has built a perennial contender since he got here with his handle of the roster. I’m sure he’s had discussions with his management team during the ever evolving board movement.
I think Beane is a very good GM when it comes to free agency and keeping guys around, but to act like he has some infallible track record in the draft, and we should never question him, is wild.
 
Now go back and check which receivers got picked on day 3 who made no impact or little impact. It’s easy to cherry pick the successful receivers and use that as argument fuel to say the Bills should’ve picked a receiver.

The Bills offense got huge infusion of talent on offense over the past three drafts. Kincaid, Torrence, Cook, and Coleman. And the offense has not been the issue at all. They’ve got an MVP QB behind one of the best offensive lines in football, a game breaker at RB, and a good set of receiver. Not elite, because you can’t be elite everywhere.

Yes, I’m tracking that you can’t guarantee growth. What you can do is look at the lack of talent on defense and fix it. That’s what Beane did.

The two suspensions give Beane six weeks to evaluate the team overall and if they need a receiver, he can trade for one, again. What Beane won’t be able to do at the TDL is fix the defense. That had to happen now.
There are loads of solid contributors in that round. It's not cherry picking just a few guys. You can just look at 2023. You had Puka Nacua, Dontayvion Wicks, Kayshon Boutte, Parker Washington, Demario Douglas, and Andrei Iosivas. That is just in the 5th-6th rounds.

"And the offense has not been the issue at all."

Yes and that is called reactive thinking. Not addressing something until it actually becomes a problem.

"Yes, I’m tracking that you can’t guarantee growth. What you can do is look at the lack of talent on defense and fix it. That’s what Beane did. The two suspensions give Beane six weeks to evaluate the team overall and if they need a receiver, he can trade for one, again. What Beane won’t be able to do at the TDL is fix the defense. That had to happen now."

Again you're missing the point. I wanted defense to be drafted. I just don't like completely ignoring one side of the ball because "they were good last season" I'd rather be proactive about the offense until waiting for it to be an issue. Then next season we're forced to draft 3 WRs because nobody could get open in the playoffs.
 
Andy Reid was the guy who couldn’t win the big game in Philly.

Last game of each Playoffs:
Lost the the Giants
Lost to the Rams
Lost to the Bucs
Lost to the Panthers
Lost to the Pats (Super Bowl)
Lost to the Saints
Lost to the Cardinals
Lost to the Cowboys
Lost to the Packers

Five seasons where they didn’t make the playoffs.

Reid was what we’re complaining about McDermott. Couldn’t win the big game. 1-4 in the conference finals. 0-1 in the Super Bowl.

I’m not saying McDermott is Reid, but for a long time, Reid wasn’t this guru genius. He was exactly what we’re saying McDermott is now.

Re: receivers. Spare me the “sub-par” comment on receivers. Shakir is in the conversation for best a lot receiver in the NFL based on his catch percentage and YAC. Palmer was a priority free agent noted by a lot of analytics guys. Coleman has Michael Thomas type potential. Samuel is a good third receiver who wasn’t used well. Average? Sure. But they put up a lot of points last season. And Palmer is a Hollins upgrade, and Cooper was hurt a lot. So were Coleman and Kincaid.

I’ll take the Bills overall team over a team constructed like the Bengals or Dolphins.
McNabb = Allen?

Re: receivers. Shakir and a bunch of JAGs. I’d like something a little more substantial than hopes and prayers that everyone reaches their potential. Didn’t realize a 3rd or 4th round pick was such a big ask.
 
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Are you saying that McDermott is on Reid’s level as a coach, he’s just not recognized for it yet?

Reid’s won three super bowls and been to five since he got his HOF QB. He hasn’t missed an AFC championship game in that time, even with some bad defenses. McDermott’s had Allen playing at that level for five years, and he’s yet to even reach the dance.

Listen, I like McDermott, I think he’s pretty good. But he’s not Reid. He’s not Belichick. Allen doesn’t have one of the best TEs of all time. But I’m supposed to be content with a sub-par group of pass catchers because Brady and Mahomes won super bowls with Chris Hogan and Justin Watson getting snaps? Spare me.
No, I'm preaching patience. Reid had McNabb, a new dual-threat QB who was a 2nd overall pick and he was 1-4 in NFC championship games and 0-1 in Super Bowls.

Reid is 3-3 in his Superbowls as a coach. He coached teams that were 4-12, 5-11, 6-10. He was eliminated from the playoffs 14 times before winning a Super Bowl. Just trying to give some context and perspective.

I watched so many years of bad Bills football, I can't bring myself to sit here and complain about how things are run. The organization is lightyears ahead of what I've spent most of my life rooting for...

While others might long for the days of Mike Mularkey, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan, I'm happy to continue to support McDermott.
 
There are loads of solid contributors in that round. It's not cherry picking just a few guys. You can just look at 2023. You had Puka Nacua, Dontayvion Wicks, Kayshon Boutte, Parker Washington, Demario Douglas, and Andrei Iosivas. That is just in the 5th-6th rounds.

"And the offense has not been the issue at all."

Yes and that is called reactive thinking. Not addressing something until it actually becomes a problem.

"Yes, I’m tracking that you can’t guarantee growth. What you can do is look at the lack of talent on defense and fix it. That’s what Beane did. The two suspensions give Beane six weeks to evaluate the team overall and if they need a receiver, he can trade for one, again. What Beane won’t be able to do at the TDL is fix the defense. That had to happen now."

Again you're missing the point. I wanted defense to be drafted. I just don't like completely ignoring one side of the ball because "they were good last season" I'd rather be proactive about the offense until waiting for it to be an issue. Then next season we're forced to draft 3 WRs because nobody could get open in the playoffs.
I can do the same thing. 2024 draft:

Troy Franklin was ok as a rookie. Javon Baker made no impact. Devontez Walker made no impact. Jacob Cowing made no impact. Anthony Gould made no impact. Ainius Smith
made no impact. Jamari Thrash made no impact. Bud Means had a small impact. Jha’Quan Jackson made no impact. Malik Washington made a small impact. Johnny Wilson made no impact. Casey Washington made no impact. Tajhaun Palmer didn’t make his team. Jordan Whittington made a small impact. Ryan Flournoy had a tiny impact. Brendan Rice made no impact. Devaughn Vele was ok as a rookie with good value for a 7th round pick. Tahj Washington made no impact. Cornelius Johnson made no impact.

I know the percentages of players who make teams, and fans love to fantasize about the value and potential of day 3 picks. The reality is that 50% of first round picks will play 56 games over their first contract. That number drops to 20% for the second round, and 13% for the third round. It’s way, way less than that as you go further. Just look at last season’s receivers. The majority of those kids make no impact and unfortunately they never will. Those percentages don’t even take impact into account, just games played. The impact is much lower.

Your reactive thinking comment is missing a lot of the reality of how an NFL front office works. NFL scouts and front office interns get ground into pulp from January to March, and then again into April. From January to March, the front office is analyzing their own team, who is available in free agency, and the comparative cost of making moves.

Eg: when the Bills moved on from Mitch Morse, that came from internal evaluations, cost analysis, asking the coaches about if McGovern could play center, what they thought of David Edwards, etc. Those moves are informed by weeks of work.

That’s how a team like the Bills go into almost every single off-season and makes a series of good signings which fill the roster. It’s how the went into a rebuild year and some how got better.

Then, once that period is over, they go into draft mode. Thousands of mock drafts. Dozens of position meetings. Setting their board. It’s exhaustive.

And Beane goes into that process thinking about BPA and where that intersects need. He almost never reaches for need. Elam sticks out. Didn’t work. He said it himself, if a receiver was at the top of the board they would’ve taken that player.

And, as all that’s going on, Beane is looking at what the 2026 and 2027 off-seasons look like.

Fixing a defense required a wholesale change of players. It was a far bigger need than receiver. And if I’m Beane, I’m taking Walker in the 4th even if a kid like Dont’e Thompson was available at pick 109. Walker was a sure fire first rounder after his 2023 season. But he got hurt and fell. If he recovers, he’s a steal at a position the Bills really need help at. That’s a great value pick if it works out…. knowing that either Thompson or Walker working out is around a 10% chance.

If the Bills get to game six and the offense isn’t clicking, they can trade for a receiver. That’s happens every season. They can’t fix their defense six games in. Making that type of future plan is anything but reactive thinking.
 
McNabb = Allen?

Re: receivers. Shakir and a bunch of JAGs. I’d like something a little more substantial than hopes and prayers that everyone reaches their potential. Didn’t realize a 3rd or 4th round pick was such a big ask.
Never implied that re: McNabb. That’s just Reid’s record. If you’re saying how if Reid had Allen it would’ve been different, we could go over the long list of franchise QBs who never won a Super Bowl or even got to a Super Bowl. Many of them had great coaches.

Every off-season, every team grades their own players. You think players are JAGs. The Bills self scout during the season and have the analytics for every player. They also have position meetings to talk to the coaches about where they see their groups.

What you call “hopes and prayers” is really weeks of 18 hour days for the organization when they take as clear eyed look at themselves as they can. If they thought Coleman and Kincaid improving was not going to happen, they would’ve made different moves. They could’ve double dipped at receiver and gotten Darius Slayton as a deep receiver. Luther Burden was available at 30. They had options.

But their own internal look informed them to go defense. Will it work? Who knows. But if they find themselves needing a receiver a month into the season, they can make a trade. They can’t make a move to fix an entire unit or the defense as a whole at that point.
 
I can do the same thing. 2024 draft:

Troy Franklin was ok as a rookie. Javon Baker made no impact. Devontez Walker made no impact. Jacob Cowing made no impact. Anthony Gould made no impact. Ainius Smith
made no impact. Jamari Thrash made no impact. Bud Means had a small impact. Jha’Quan Jackson made no impact. Malik Washington made a small impact. Johnny Wilson made no impact. Casey Washington made no impact. Tajhaun Palmer didn’t make his team. Jordan Whittington made a small impact. Ryan Flournoy had a tiny impact. Brendan Rice made no impact. Devaughn Vele was ok as a rookie with good value for a 7th round pick. Tahj Washington made no impact. Cornelius Johnson made no impact.
"I can do the same thing. 2024 draft:"

You're still missing the point. Nobody wants them taking a WR for the sake of taking a WR. There are plenty of guys available yesterday who were just not good prospects. Bills also did take a WR in the 7th unless you already forgot or something. The end of the 2024 draft was also pretty rough with the talent remaining. I didn't want the Bills to draft them either except for Malik Washington who I liked. That's different from Tory Horton, Jalen Royals, and Elic Ayomanor though. Feels a lot like when Shakir was available in the 5th but this time we passed on him. Those guys will make an impact.

"I know the percentages of players who make teams, and fans love to fantasize about the value and potential of day 3 picks."

Which is hilarious because this team has gotten a ton of solid to great players from day 3 picks. It's not a fantasy. It's reality. Khalil Shakir, Christian Benford, Matt Milano, Taron Johnson, Gabe Daivs. Those picks have been better than most of our day 2 picks.

"Your reactive thinking comment is missing a lot of the reality of how an NFL front office works. NFL scouts and front office interns get ground into pulp from January to March, and then again into April. From January to March, the front office is analyzing their own team, who is available in free agency, and the comparative cost of making moves."

Except it's not. We see a ton of teams continue to draft at positions that they're strong at. Why do the Eagles keep drafting OL if they have a great OL? Why do the Chiefs keep drafting DBs even though they have a strong secondary? Do those front offices just have no clue what they're doing?

"Fixing a defense required a wholesale change of players. It was a far bigger need than receiver. And if I’m Beane, I’m taking Walker in the 4th even if a kid like Dont’e Thompson was available at pick 109. Walker was a sure fire first rounder after his 2023 season. But he got hurt and fell. If he recovers, he’s a steal at a position the Bills really need help at. That’s a great value pick if it works out…. knowing that either Thompson or Walker working out is around a 10% chance."

Matt Barkley was also a sure fire top 5 pick the year before he got drafted. Same with DaQuan Bowers. That really means nothing. Plenty of guys fit that "sure fire first rounder the year before" and never do anything in the NFL.

"If the Bills get to game six and the offense isn’t clicking, they can trade for a receiver. That’s happens every season."

It doesn't though. Last season was a time when several bad teams had big name vet WRs available. 2023 seen no decent WRs be traded. Neither did 2022 unless you want to consider Chase Claypool a solid WR. That was a unique trade deadline and if you're expecting caliber of WRs like Dhop/Cooper/Adams available you're gonna be in for a rough time.
 
No, I'm preaching patience. Reid had McNabb, a new dual-threat QB who was a 2nd overall pick and he was 1-4 in NFC championship games and 0-1 in Super Bowls.

Reid is 3-3 in his Superbowls as a coach. He coached teams that were 4-12, 5-11, 6-10. He was eliminated from the playoffs 14 times before winning a Super Bowl. Just trying to give some context and perspective.

I watched so many years of bad Bills football, I can't bring myself to sit here and complain about how things are run. The organization is lightyears ahead of what I've spent most of my life rooting for...

While others might long for the days of Mike Mularkey, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan, I'm happy to continue to support McDermott.
McNabb was a drunk who was hungover for the SB. He doesn't even come close to Allen in talent & work ethic. If Reid had a Mahomes/Allen talent early on he'd have quite a few rings early in his career.

Also Reid needed to be fired for the Eagles to finally win a SB. You arguing for firing McD?

I've also watched so many bad Bills QBs. Finally got a good one & people are just fine getting knocked out of the playoffs every year.

Funny enough that Doug Marrone got to the conference finals with Blake Bortles. Same with Rex Ryan & Mark Sanchez. That's just as far as McD got with Allen. One of the most talented QBs of all time.

McD really has it made. Unlimited job security even if your D continuously shits the bed in the playoffs. Offense can score 30+ and lose & people will stay say "remember when we had Mularkey just be happy"
 
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McNabb was a drunk who was hungover for the SB. He doesn't even come close to Allen in talent & work ethic. If Reid had a Mahomes/Allen talent early on he'd have quite a few rings early in his career. which is the same logical jump as if reid didnt have mahomes mcd would have super bowls

Also Reid needed to be fired for the Eagles to finally win a SB. You arguing for firing McD? we're just inventing connections here so we can feel smug about ourselves

I've also watched so many bad Bills QBs. Finally got a good one & people are just fine getting knocked out of the playoffs every year. the grand canyon of separation between being fine with getting knocked out and the reality of the disappointment

Funny enough that Doug Marrone got to the conference finals with Blake Bortles. Same with Rex Ryan & Mark Sanchez. That's just as far as McD got with Allen. One of the most talented QBs of all time. the second grand canyon of separation between limited success and 6 of 7 years in the playoffs, 5 straight afc east champions, perennial super bowl contenders, versus a 1 off season or being carried by an incredible defense

McD really has it made. Unlimited job security even if your D continuously shits the bed in the playoffs. Offense can score 30+ and lose & people will stay say "remember when we had Mularkey just be happy" and to cap it off we go with the old standby boil the entire season down to the defense losing to joe burrow and mahomes because if you are going to criticize mcd time in buffalo you have to boil it down to 4 games, because the other 90 are examples of the opposite
this is one of those hasek isnt committed enough, miller is mister softy, and vanek doesnt play defense posts

whenever someone says "theres lies damn lies and statistics" its what this post is doing that theyre referring to
 
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How do you know?

Amon-Ra St Brown was a 4th round pick. Nacua was a 5th round pick. Dontayvion Wicks was a 5th round pick. Also Shakir was a 5th round pick. Shakir didn't make an impact right away, but obviously is a big part of the offense right now.

Every year we're seeing WRs drafted in the 4th-6th round that's making an impact right away.

> There’s going to be growth from Coleman and Kincaid.

I hope. We also said the same thing about Elam, Cody Ford, Zack Moss, and plenty of other young guys. You can't guarantee that young guys are just going to improve.

Yea Shakir is great. If he goes down we're screwed.

I just don't like saying "we don't need to worry about WRs just because the offense was good last season" It's not proactive thinking. You should always be adding some offensive talent in the draft.

We actually don’t see WRs drafted in the 4th-6th round making an impact as rookies every year. It’s actually incredibly rare. St. Brown and Nacua are outliers. You have to go back to like Marquis Colston in 2006 for another big rookie WR season for a late draft pick.
 
"I can do the same thing. 2024 draft:"

You're still missing the point. Nobody wants them taking a WR for the sake of taking a WR. There are plenty of guys available yesterday who were just not good prospects. Bills also did take a WR in the 7th unless you already forgot or something. The end of the 2024 draft was also pretty rough with the talent remaining. I didn't want the Bills to draft them either except for Malik Washington who I liked. That's different from Tory Horton, Jalen Royals, and Elic Ayomanor though. Feels a lot like when Shakir was available in the 5th but this time we passed on him. Those guys will make an impact.

"I know the percentages of players who make teams, and fans love to fantasize about the value and potential of day 3 picks."

Which is hilarious because this team has gotten a ton of solid to great players from day 3 picks. It's not a fantasy. It's reality. Khalil Shakir, Christian Benford, Matt Milano, Taron Johnson, Gabe Daivs. Those picks have been better than most of our day 2 picks.

The bills actually do have a pretty high success rate in day 3 picks lately relative to most teams, but I think that supports who they drafted this year and is a point against anyone complaining they didn’t draft a certain position with late rounds picks.

Day three picks are already very low percentage for sucess. Drafting for a certain positions or a need in late picks is a wildly absurd idea to me…you’re already dealing with a very low percentage of success, why in the world would you limit yourself further by narrowing it down at position.

At this point in the draft, you should be solely picking players you think might be good prospects. So I’ll defer to who the bills pick in the late rounds as that’s who think are the best players and they’ve had some solid success. I won’t complain they didn’t hit a position they need or I went with late picks
 


Apparently Beane got a little heated when asked about WRs...

It is pretty obvious that Beane and the Bills like their WR room a lot better than some fans and media do.

I think the safety room is the same thing, but it's not as sexy and doesn't get as much airtime.
 
"I can do the same thing. 2024 draft:"

You're still missing the point. Nobody wants them taking a WR for the sake of taking a WR. There are plenty of guys available yesterday who were just not good prospects. Bills also did take a WR in the 7th unless you already forgot or something. The end of the 2024 draft was also pretty rough with the talent remaining. I didn't want the Bills to draft them either except for Malik Washington who I liked. That's different from Tory Horton, Jalen Royals, and Elic Ayomanor though. Feels a lot like when Shakir was available in the 5th but this time we passed on him. Those guys will make an impact.

"I know the percentages of players who make teams, and fans love to fantasize about the value and potential of day 3 picks."

Which is hilarious because this team has gotten a ton of solid to great players from day 3 picks. It's not a fantasy. It's reality. Khalil Shakir, Christian Benford, Matt Milano, Taron Johnson, Gabe Daivs. Those picks have been better than most of our day 2 picks.

"Your reactive thinking comment is missing a lot of the reality of how an NFL front office works. NFL scouts and front office interns get ground into pulp from January to March, and then again into April. From January to March, the front office is analyzing their own team, who is available in free agency, and the comparative cost of making moves."

Except it's not. We see a ton of teams continue to draft at positions that they're strong at. Why do the Eagles keep drafting OL if they have a great OL? Why do the Chiefs keep drafting DBs even though they have a strong secondary? Do those front offices just have no clue what they're doing?

"Fixing a defense required a wholesale change of players. It was a far bigger need than receiver. And if I’m Beane, I’m taking Walker in the 4th even if a kid like Dont’e Thompson was available at pick 109. Walker was a sure fire first rounder after his 2023 season. But he got hurt and fell. If he recovers, he’s a steal at a position the Bills really need help at. That’s a great value pick if it works out…. knowing that either Thompson or Walker working out is around a 10% chance."

Matt Barkley was also a sure fire top 5 pick the year before he got drafted. Same with DaQuan Bowers. That really means nothing. Plenty of guys fit that "sure fire first rounder the year before" and never do anything in the NFL.

"If the Bills get to game six and the offense isn’t clicking, they can trade for a receiver. That’s happens every season."

It doesn't though. Last season was a time when several bad teams had big name vet WRs available. 2023 seen no decent WRs be traded. Neither did 2022 unless you want to consider Chase Claypool a solid WR. That was a unique trade deadline and if you're expecting caliber of WRs like Dhop/Cooper/Adams available you're gonna be in for a rough time.
Yes, Beane has gotten great value from day 3 picks. But let's look at it holistically. Austin Proehl. Ray Ray McCloud. Tommy Sweeney. Darryl Johnson. Jaquan Johnson. Vosean Joseph. Jake Fromm. Jack Anderson. Rachad Wildgoose. Marquez Stevenson. Tommy Doyle. Luke Tenuta. Justin Shorter. Lots of Day 3 players who amounted to nothing for the Bills. Even a player like Siran Neal, who has played 114 NFL games, but hasn't been more than a special teamer and defensive sub. Most teams have a somewhat similar track record on day 3. The further you go back, through multiple regimes, the more a team will either advance or regress to around 10%.

Had the Bills not added a single defensive lineman to the team, they still would've started the season with 4 defensive ends and 3 defensive tackles who were going to make the roster. Add in the two free agents who won't be available for six weeks, and that's 9 total defensive linemen. Beane didn't need to make a single pick on the defensive line, but he did. That's more about 2025 and beyond, than 2024. It's not reactive.

Calvin Ridley went at the trade deadline. Receivers are moved. Trade deadline receiver trades: Mike Williams, Diontae Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Amari Cooper (multiple), Mecole Hardman, Chase Clasepool (multiple), Denzel Mims, Calvin Ridley, Kadarius Toney, Robbie Anderson, Emmaneul Sanderson, Mohamed Sanu, Zay Jones, Demaryius Thomas (multiple), Golden Tate, and Percy Harvin all went in TDL deals. I didn't even count the post-draft trades prior to the start of the season. There are moves available.

Horton, Royals, and Alomanor may each amount to something. Or nothing. But odds are, maybe one of them contributes. To play those odds, do you draft all three? When I see the teams constantly in the playoffs and doing well (Baltimore, KC, Buffalo, Philadelphia), there is one common trend for draft day: BPA by tier, intersected with roster needs over time. They'll miss a bit on higher picks (Breeland Speaks, Skyy Moore, Bryan Cook, Andre Dillard, etc) but in general make good picks. Beane missed on Cody Ford, Moss, Basham but in general it evens out. I hope he continues to build his rosters in the way he has, because it's working.
 
Hopefully Beane doesn't come in here!... :laugh::nod:

A little funny on both sides though. Knocking down radio guys with degrees from Newhouse who think they know football, and Beane thinking it's a fantasy thing. It's the first time I have ever heard him loose his temper.

Using the Allen v Rosen card was quite good!

But until the Bill's can beat KC, the media does have a certain point even though the issues last year were on defense.

It tells me Beane is feeling a little pressure in that regards, and maybe from the big guy at the top ? And maybe he makes a few less media appearances now ?

I know Josh is a team guy, but I wonder if Josh really wanted to see another weapon come in ? I got a little "vibe" when he was in town last that he was not being included in that process as much as other years and it felt a little odd.

Anyone have opinions on Elijah Moore ? Speed, 100 targets the last 2 years (Shakir had 100 last season).

Beane does need to answer slightly for the Copper trade who made a few plays, but not really worth the 3rd they could of used to get a wide out in the draft.

Beane did mention they locked at WR in draft but it did not quite work out. Royals going to KC just ahead of them might of hurt.

I would like to see Beane go back on the show and both bury the hatchet

ps I see wgr still has not posted the full segment in there archive lol I was driving

pss I wonder if Beane got blindsided when Hollins signed with the Pats ?
 
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