Buffalo Bills The Doldrums of the NFL Off-season have arrived

[ValJamesDuex]

We could theoretically get him at 72 maybe. I doubt we go there, but it's possible.

Edge/WR/S more likely

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Um.

Okay. Whatever you say

I know context is hard but it’s something we should look at more before quoting statistics.

 

[Zman5778]

310 is pretty damn light for a 1-tech. He’s a prototypical 3-tech.

DaQuan plays between 310 and 320. And he was a DAMNED good 1-tech 2 years ago for for years prior.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Could get Deone Walker (6-6/345) in the 4th ? But I doubt it

Walker plays with a very high pad level. He's a 3T in a NT's body. Jamaree Caldwell would be the guy to go after.

 

[Husko]

Watch the way Sanders creates pressure and sacks even from the 1-tech at times and make yourselves feel better.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Dexter Lawrence 6'4 340lbs
Vita Vea 6'4 347lbs
D.J. Reader 6'3 335lbs
Jordan Davis 6'6 341lbs

Need a big ugly. Not many options after Jamaree Caldwell.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Like who? What players have put on significant amount of weight?

Maybe like late developmental picks. If you're taking a guy with a high pick there shouldn't be an expectation he needs to significantly add weight.

I’m not arguing that there should be an expectation or that it’s a good pick or anything (though I don’t mind it). I’m just disagreeing that it’s unrealistic to think these kids can’t add 15 pounds

 

[Zman5778]

Edge/WR/S more likely

I don't think WR is an option at all at 72. I'm thinking that the Bills are quite happy with Shakir/Coleman/Sanders/Samuel as our top 4 and then some ST play as #5 and/or #6.

I also think that the Bills like the safety room a lot more than us fans do.

Edge definitely seems most likely to me at 72 right now.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

I’m not arguing that there should be an expectation or that it’s a good pick or anything (though I don’t mind it). I’m just disagreeing that it’s unrealistic to think these kids can’t add 15 pounds

What prospects have seen significant changes in weight after being drafted?

 

[misterchainsaw]

I know context is hard but it’s something we should look at more before quoting statistics.

That's literally what advanced metrics do better than raw statistics - they look at the context of each run (down + distance, spot on field, etc) and determine the success of it based on rates across the league.

 

[buffa dud]

I know some are annoyed they didn't add a hulking 1-tech, but given they still failed to get DL pressure on the QB last offseason, I don't mind them priotizing pass rush over run stopping at all.

It's also a positive thing to see them prioritize the interior. We needed to get younger and more talented, rather than always relying on veterans who couldn't hold onto a starting job elsewhere.

It took four years for Beane to draft interior, after Oliver. Now, we have Dewayne Carter and TJ Sanders in back-to-back drafts. And, there's still time. Beane could take a wild swing on someone the same way he took a chance on Benford after Elam.

Great to see that kind of investment, rather than burning assets on a runningback year after year.

 

[Sound_n_Fury]

The trade up value seems just fine to me.

In terms of pick value coming and going, yes it was fine. That said, I think we all (including the Bills) would have hoped that he'd fall a bit more than pick 41.

So be it. Two years from now, no one will remember where he was picked.

 

[Husko]

What prospects have seen significant changes in weight after being drafted?

Greg Rousseau added about 20 pounds from college to his pro playing weight

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

That's literally what advanced metrics do better than raw statistics - they look at the context of each run (down + distance, spot on field, etc) and determine the success of it based on rates across the league.

And they do things like value your stats against Seattle the same as your stats against Baltimore.

Who cares what your defense looked like against an 8-9 team. The real competition ran you over.

 

[misterchainsaw]

And they do things like value your stats against Seattle the same as your stats against Baltimore.

Who cares what your defense looked like against an 8-9 team. The real competition ran you over.

Baltimore runs most people over. It's why they are who they are. Remind me who they beat in the playoffs, and who beat them. It wasn't the interior run defense that cost Buffalo against Kansas City. You can argue Mahomes hurt them on the ground, but that was caused by the ends having an awful game sealing the edges, not getting beat in the middle.

 

[Sabreality]

Good for Will Johnson, finally

 

[Fezzy126]

I know some are annoyed they didn't add a hulking 1-tech, but given they still failed to get DL pressure on the QB last offseason, I don't mind them priotizing pass rush over run stopping at all.

I don't care so much about the labeling of 1T vs 3T, my only problem is I did prefer a larger human being that would naturally help free up Bernard & Milano. The larger the mass, the harder for Olinemen to fight thru and get to the second level.

Edit: I should caveat that I like the pick, just slightly preferred a fatter man...

 

[ValJamesDuex]

What was the value on the trade btw, pretty close to the chart ?

 

[Sound_n_Fury]

310 is pretty damn light for a 1-tech. He’s a prototypical 3-tech.

DaQuan Jones weighs 320. A 21-year old can certainly add 10 pounds in a pro weight program.

 

[LaPlante94]

Where is Isaiah Bond projected to go? Saw he was 1 guy we had like 4 different meetings with.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Greg Rousseau added about 20 pounds from college to his pro playing weight

I'm talking about after he got drafted. Not adding weight during college pre-draft.

 

[Zman5778]

There goes Will Johnson. Nice get for the Cardinals if that knee holds up.

 

[Sabreality]

Where is Isaiah Bond projected to go? Saw he was 1 guy we had like 4 different meetings with.

Maybe sinking like a rock with the SA allegations.

 

[Zman5778]

Where is Isaiah Bond projected to go? Saw he was 1 guy we had like 4 different meetings with.

Late 2nd/early 3rd.

Really, he could go at any point now if a team falls in love with him.

 

[Zman5778]

Maybe sinking like a rock with the SA allegations.

Yeah, forgot about that.