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Santander is apparently a notorious slow starter. And there are encouraging signs in his batted ball profile so far. I think it's too early to really worry about him. Or honestly anyone at this point.

Remember that Vladdy started slow last year too and that turned out alright. Not everyone who's down right now will turn it around, but I have confidence that the ones that really matter probably will.
 
Once they’re out of the AL East race he’ll take off.
That was always how a felt about Carlos Delgado. I really liked the guy, loved watching him swing but I felt he only really turned it on when the team was 20 games out. Just thinking about how much bad baseball we had to endure for so many years, makes me shiver. I much prefer having a chance to win as we do now, with our pitching.
 
Remember that Vladdy started slow last year too and that turned out alright. Not everyone who's down right now will turn it around, but I have confidence that the ones that really matter probably will.
Yes and it played a pivotal role in the team being out of it after couple months. When Vladdy got hot and started hitting homers, it didn't matter anymore.
 
Santander is apparently a notorious slow starter. And there are encouraging signs in his batted ball profile so far. I think it's too early to really worry about him. Or honestly anyone at this point.

Remember that Vladdy started slow last year too and that turned out alright. Not everyone who's down right now will turn it around, but I have confidence that the ones that really matter probably will.

2025 - 17 games, 70 wRC+
2024 - 17 games, 82 wRC+
2023 - 17 games, 74 wRC+

This is his third year in a row getting off to this kind of start, and he turned in pretty good seasons the last two years.
 
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Yes and it played a pivotal role in the team being out of it after couple months. When Vladdy got hot and started hitting homers, it didn't matter anymore.

How are we still doing this bullshit little "Ignore everything except for homers" thing?

Start to Apr 27 - 92 wRC+, 3 HR
Apr 28 to June 19 - 200 PA, 141 wRC+, 4 HR, .395 OBP
June 20 to end - 374 PA, 203 wRC+, 23 HR

He was awful for a month, and then very good for almost two months, then insanely dominant for 3+ months. Pretending only HR matter is really, really stupid. If Vlad kept up those Apr-June numbers for his career, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Also, fun fact: when he started hitting on Apr 28, they were 2.5 games out of a playoff spot. When he went nuts on June 20, they were still only 5.5 games out with 88 games left to play. Two teams who were behind them that day ended up making the playoffs.

This is just the absolute dumbest argument.
 
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How are we still doing this bullshit little "Ignore everything except for homers" thing?
Because homers score runs automatically, 1 minimum. Scoring more runs gives you a higher probability of winning games.

How many times even this year if we had a homer we'd be tying the game, going ahead, or having a crooked inning, because there are runners on base all the time?

Your little list there shows exactly when he started hitting homers, the Jays were out of it. They could have used the power earlier in the year.
 
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Because homers score runs automatically, 1 minimum. Scoring more runs gives you a higher probability of winning games.

How many times even this year if we had a homer we'd be tying the game, going ahead, or having a crooked inning, because there are runners on base all the time?

Your little list there shows exactly when he started hitting homers, the Jays were out of it. They could have used the power earlier in the year.
Yes, homers are the best possible result.

No, that doesn't mean you can just ignore everything else and pretend a player with a .395 OBP sucks.

And no, they weren't out of it if teams with worse records than them made the playoffs.
 
Yes, homers are the best possible result.

No, that doesn't mean you can just ignore everything else and pretend a player with a .395 OBP sucks.

And no, they weren't out of it if teams with worse records than them made the playoffs.
I never said he sucks. His entire career profile has been a power hitter. Like what are you paying $500M+ for for a 1B if not a power hitter?

He has to fix his power game. The team needs it now more than ever. Dan Shulman just said on tv that the Jays have TWO 2-run homers. That has to change. Vladdy & Tony have to do it, there aren't many others on the team that have those skills.
 
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I never said he sucks. His entire career profile has been a power hitter. Like what are you paying $500M+ for for a 1B if not a power hitter?

He has to fix his power game. The team needs it now more than ever. Dan Shulman just said on tv that the Jays have TWO 2-run homers. That has to change. Vladdy & Tony have to do it, there aren't many others on the team that have those skills.

To be fair he was known for his BP power, but the real selling point for Vladdy has always been his hit tool. Here’s an old scouting report to serve as an example.


It’s not a perfect evaluation, but Freeman’s $ value on FanGraphs is around ~480m for his career and he’s never been know for his power.
 
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To be fair he was known for his BP power, but the real selling point for Vladdy has always been his hit tool. Here’s an old scouting report to serve as an example.


It’s not a perfect evaluation, but Freeman’s $ value on FanGraphs is around ~480m for his career and he’s never been know for his power.

True, but this roster is not flush with power hitters so he needs to start hitting some bombs soon. If they had other guys who could slug, ok, but they don't. They need power from him, and they need it now. He isn't Ichiro, they need him to hit bombs. Anyway, just my opinion.
 
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Look, we can slap fancy stats around, but most of us watch baseball and see what is and isn't happening.

Let's look past the homers, he only has 2 RBI doubles and 4 doubles total. None of his doubles have come past the 5th inning.

He hasn't been clutch. And he's been in clutch situations with men on base, several times with bases loaded and did not produce.

The bar has changed now. It's so much higher. He has to perform. He has to be better and consistent.
 
You'd think there has to be a market correction to happen with Schwellenbach. Nobody can sustain 0.45 ERA for the whole season. Jays need to light him up.
 
K - my last post was a bit negative. Let's go in here!!

Not singling you out, but because people might be taking the new stance on disruptive posting a little wrong:

You can be negative. That was fine because a) it was clearly a joke and b) you have a history of being able to discuss things with people and not just scream profanities, slurs, and buzzwords at them. As evidenced by the fact that you have multiple posts on this page quoting someone else.

That's all fine and you can be negative and annoyed at things. Even the Vladdy discussion above, which tends into one side being significantly concerned and down on him right now is fine because it's an actual discussion.

The only thing that the new moderating stance aims to get rid of is posters who are otherwise not here at all or rarely ever here except when they show up to scream about how awful everything is, how all the players are terrible, and how much it all sucks in belligerent, immature, aggressively annoying ways and then never actually engage anyone in a real discussion about it. That's the negativity that's bad. Not more rationalized, reasonable, or just open for examination takes.

So you don't need to apologize for that post at all.

Hell, the fact that you even want to apologize is a significant point in your favor because the kind of stuff I pointed out as a problem almost universally comes from people who see absolutely nothing wrong with their behavior even as everyone else tells them to cool off a bit.
 

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