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Vladdy is 35th in average exit velocities. There is a strong correlation between guys who have higher exit velocities and the better hitters in the league. Obviously, swing and miss is a part of it too. O'Neill Cruz can hit the ball harder than anyone, but he strikes out frequently.

Ichiro's best offensive season was in 2004, and he was ranked 30th in hitting. He had a ton of singles but lacked power and didn't walk too much.

Santander is not hitting the ball as hard as pervious years, and his barrel% is down significantly compared to previous years.

Yeah, the correlation between hitting the ball hard and being a good hitter is massive and the list of the EV leaders in MLB is basically just a list of the best hitters in MLB. As you say, the only exceptions are a guy like Oneil Cruz who have crazy swing-and-miss numbers (32% K rate for Cruz!) and thus simply aren't putting hard-hit balls in play often enough. But generally speaking, if you are top-20 in EV in MLB AND have a K rate of less than 20%, it's pretty much automatic that you're one of the best hitters in MLB. And this is what Guerrero is, usually.

Guerrero's problem this year is actually that he isn't hitting the ball hard enough. In his two 'big' seasons (2021 and 2024) his EV was at 94-95 MPH and his hard-hit % was at 55%. In the rest of his seasons (including 2025) his EV is down at 91-92 and his hard-hit % is at 50%. So (as you'd expect) the harder he's consistently hitting the ball, the better he performs.

And it isn't like he's 'lost it' or anything this year. He has the 2nd-hardest hit ball in MLB in 2025 and if you take players' 50 hardest-hit balls, he's 6th. But in overall exit velocity for all balls he's 31st. So he's making a lot more soft contact than usual to bring the numbers down. In his two big seasons he was 2nd and 7th overall in MLB in EV, and that's where he needs to be to be elite.
 
...and that's where he needs to be to be elite.
He doesn't need to try to be elite anymore, he got his meal ticket for being good, but not elite.

One could argue he never was, because one outlier season under specific circumstance doesn't make you elite.
 
This is nonsense.



His 2024 was very clearly elite.
2 out of 6 months of the season was not elite. He has more home runs right now than he had by mid June last year. He basically became elite when it didn't matter and the team was out of reasonable playoff contention.
 
2 out of 6 months of the season was not elite. He has more home runs right now than he had by mid June last year. He basically became elite when it didn't matter and the team was out of reasonable playoff contention.

2nd in hits
3rd in 2B
2nd in batting average
8th in RBI
5th in OPS
5th in offensive WAR
6th in MVP voting
Silver Slugger

... is literally the definition of an elite season.

His OPS in May-June was .950. He had a bad April and then 5 elite months, including May when the team was in playoff contention.

The extent that people go to to try and rubbish this guy is absurd.
 
The extent that people go to to try and rubbish this guy is absurd.
Dude, he hit 2 homers in April 2024, and 5 doubles, and 10rbi. in May 2024 he hit 2 homers, 5 doubles and 14 rbi. Sorry, that's garbage for his supposed elite status.

I don't give two shits if he hits singles or takes walks. That's not what his role is or $500m salary.
 
Dude, he hit 2 homers in April 2024, and 5 doubles, and 10rbi. in May 2024 he hit 2 homers, 5 doubles and 14 rbi. Sorry, that's garbage for his supposed elite status.

Yes, he was bad in April.

Then he slashed .357/.447/.469 in May. That is an OPS+ of about 150, would win the batting title over a full season by a country mile, and is the definition of elite play.

I don't give two shits if he hits singles or takes walks. That's not what his role is or $500m salary.

The fact that you think a prime Tony Gwynn statline is 'garbage' makes your opinion here not terribly credible.

His role is to be an elite hitter. There are lots of ways to be an elite hitter.
 
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So Santander, either he goes on a massive heater to get his numbers back to his career norms or he is simply cooked at 30 years old.
It's hard to comprehend that Santander, Scherzer, Giménez, and Hoffman have combined to have a net negative WAR so far. I'd expect them to have around 5 war by now. That's the season right there. I didn't expect the new guys to be All-Stars, but man, that's just about the worst-case scenario for those four.
 
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His role is to be an elite hitter. There are lots of ways to be an elite hitter.
On this team he has to hit homers, cuz they ain't got many people that do. If Tony would f***in' Tater, it would be less of an issue. But he ain't Tatering.
 
It's hard to comprehend that Santander, Scherzer, Giménez, and Hoffman have combined to have a net negative WAR so far. I'd expect them to have around 5 war by now. That's the season right there. I didn't expect the new guys to be All-Stars, but man, that's just about the worst-case scenario for those four.

The off season moves have not worked at all yet. About Gimenez, why oh why did Atkins trade for him? In a vaccuum it's fine, but we need more offence. So I simply do not understand that move. Even if he takes over SS for Bo next year, he is still a below average bat. Especially at that money, pure stupidity.
 
The off season moves have not worked at all yet. About Gimenez, why oh why did Atkins trade for him? In a vaccuum it's fine, but we need more offence. So I simply do not understand that move. Even if he takes over SS for Bo next year, he is still a below average bat. Especially at that money, pure stupidity.
It makes it even worse when you realize this is who Gimenez has always been with his bat.

He had a great 2022 but was riding a pretty good BABIP heater that pretty much everyone pointed out where he wasn't as good as he looked. Sure enough, his production cratered in 2023 and hasn't come anywhere close to returning to that level.

I don't know if the Jays thought they saw something they could tinker with or fix, or just wanted him for the glove, but either way it's been a horrid trade.
 
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On this team he has to hit homers, cuz they ain't got many people that do. If Tony would f***in' Tater, it would be less of an issue. But he ain't Tatering.

No, his role is to be an elite hitter.

If he’s putting up an OPS+ of 150+, it doesn’t matter how he gets to that point.

Right now he’s at 130 which is pretty good but doesn’t meet contract expectations. He needs to be better but it isn’t just ‘hit more homers’.

Also a big part of the problem is that he has no protection in the lineup so he isn’t getting pitches to hit … which is also why his walks are way up. If the guys behind him were raking, he gets better pitches and probably has more HR.
 
No, his role is to be an elite hitter.

If he’s putting up an OPS+ of 150+, it doesn’t matter how he gets to that point.

Right now he’s at 130 which is pretty good but doesn’t meet contract expectations. He needs to be better but it isn’t just ‘hit more homers’.

Also a big part of the problem is that he has no protection in the lineup so he isn’t getting pitches to hit … which is also why his walks are way up. If the guys behind him were raking, he gets better pitches and probably has more HR.
Exactly. Vladdy is a weird case. When you look at his contract, and stats you go "wow, this guy should be doing more." But then you watch him play and then it's "wow, this guy is actually doing as much as he can"

He's by far the Jays most dangerous hitter but given the hitters around him, pitchers have zero reason to challenge him. Bo gets on? Nope, still not challenging him because i know 3, 4 and 5 aren't doing anything to bring those runs in generally. So all they do is throw shit on the corners/outside of the zone and eventually he either walks, or has to swing at a pitch he can't do anything with. Or in other cases, he has to shorten his swing which is why you're seeing more singles

I honestly commend him in some aspects. The amount of patience he's shown is incredible given at some point, you feel like one would start to get annoyed and start trying to play hero ball/swing out of his shoes. His eye reminds me of 2021 Vlad.
 
Oh god Santander batting second with Varsho leading off.

God help us.

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That lineup + a bullpen day? Woof.
 
It's hard to comprehend that Santander, Scherzer, Giménez, and Hoffman have combined to have a net negative WAR so far. I'd expect them to have around 5 war by now. That's the season right there. I didn't expect the new guys to be All-Stars, but man, that's just about the worst-case scenario for those four.
It's pretty easy to comprehend really. Gimenez was a terrible trade. Steadily declining bat with solid d. Not needed. Scherzer hasn't been healthy in a while and is in his 40's. Santander I had zero interest in and was hoping we'd stay far away. He is admittedly worse than I anticipated but I expect consistent regression from him. Hoffman is the only one i thought would be good but he's imploded. Overuse of the bullpen is partly to blame for that. This is a horrendously built team.
 
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I have no idea what putting Vlad in the three hole is going to do given the guys in front of him still aren't getting on.

Varsho is more of a boom or bust hitter and Tony is well...not good rn.
 
Let's bat our best power hitter leadoff! I would have put Lukes there.
Yeah i don't get it. He's like an extreme version of leadoff Springer. Way more boom/bust. You put him in the 3 or 4 hole.

Lukes probably has the most ideal skillset for a leadoff hitter from what they have to work with right now.
 
It's pretty easy to comprehend really. Gimenez was a terrible trade. Steadily declining bat with solid d. Not needed. Scherzer hasn't been healthy in a while and is in his 40's. Santander I had zero interest in and was hoping we'd stay far away. He is admittedly worse than I anticipated but I expect consistent regression from him. Hoffman is the only one i thought would be good but he's imploded. Overuse of the bullpen is partly to blame for that. This is a horrendously built team.
Yeah, I remember you called it correctly with Santander. Personally, I was okay with Santander, and I thought Scherzer was a risk worth taking—especially with the hope of getting Manoah back in the second half. I figured Scherzer could at least give us 60–80 innings in the first half. I loved the Hoffman deal and still think he’ll turn it around. I’ve hated the Gimenez deal from day one as well. I think most around here did. Santander and Gimenez just don’t inspire much long-term confidence.
 

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