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The Nemesis

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It's been long enough since we've rolled over to a new GDT and some people ( :p )were getting on me about not having the other one updated because I was super busy last week, so we'll start fresh for the week and the homestand which begins on Tuesday. Monday is an off-day but I figured I'll get the thread up early so I don't forget because I might be busy again tomorrow.

As always, the same conduct rules about drive-by posting and thread-hijacking tantrums apply, as do any previous sanctions you've received (ie if you were booted from the last thread you will get booted from this one at the first instance of breaking the rules. Only extended periods of good behaviour will earn back trust. Like lasting the entire thread without freaking out and annoying everyone.)

The other matchups for the rest of this series are:

Wednesday: Eduardo Rodriguez vs TBD for the Jays
Thursday: Ryne Nelson vs Kevin Gausman

Thursday's game is also an early start, 3pm ET/noon PT.


Just so the off day doesn't go to waste, I do have another vintage baseball broadcast to share if you want something to listen to this evening:

How about traveling back to June 4, 1957 for an evening game at Ebbets field pitting the Brooklyn Dodgers against the Chicago Cubs? This was in the middle of what turned out to be the Dodgers' final season in New York before relocating to Los Angeles for the start of the 1958 season. It's also some of the earliest work from a young Vin Scully, splitting the play-by-play duties for the Dodgers broadcast with the team's incumbent broadcaster Jerry Doggett.

On the field there's some familiar names, mostly on the Dodger side of things. Chicago's only marquee name in this game is Mr. Cub himself, Ernie Banks. But in spite of losing Jackie Robinson to retirement after the 1956 season, Brooklyn still ran out a formidable lineup with Roy Campanella, Gil Hodges, Duke Snider, and a promising young lefty on the mound who you may ( :sarcasm: ) have heard of: Sandy Koufax in just his 3rd season in the big leagues. Future noteworthy coach Don Zimmer also started the game at shortstop, giving Pee Wee Reese the day off (though Reese had begun to decline and this season marked a significant reduction in his playing time before he would end up retiring after playing sparingly in the team's first season out west.)



As always if you enjoy and actually listen to these games let me know so I can gauge whether or not there is continuing interest in me providing these. I'll also take feedback and requests about game choices or focuses. Though my archive of available games isn't unlimited. I can't speak to what's for sure available on youtube but the original downloaded MP3s I collected have some holes in them.

Regular season games: I have about a dozen from the 1930s, nothing from the 40s, a handful of early 50s games, and the largest chunk from about 1957 to 1973. Many teams seem to be represented, but the most frequent clubs are the White Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and eventually Mets, with fewer games for the likes of the Pirates, Cardinals, Athletics, Red Sox, and Giants though the years.

All-Star Games: I have every game from 1934 to 1944 (we've listend to 34 and 36 already), 1948, most games between 1955 and 1966 (missing 58, 61, 65) and 1970

Playoff series: I think I have most World Series in at least some capacity between 1934 and 1973, though many are incomplete and missing some games or parts of games. Complete series I have are 1948, 49, 59, 60, 63, 64, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, and 73. Most other years I do at least have the championship-winning game even if the series is incomplete.

I would expect that as we get out of the early 1960s there is probably a larger chance that I may not find youtube uploads of some of those games as the rules regarding public domain radio broadcasts become murkier the closer to the present that we get. As best as I can tell, a lot of radio stuff from 1957 or before is effectively public domain because of old rules, but it's not 100% set in stone. And newer stuff than that is less likely to be unprotected or ignored

And if you want to be alerted whenever I post a broadcast like this, be sure to leave a like/reaction to this post so I can add your name to the list of people who I flag below.

@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan, @Blitzkrug, @hockeywiz542, @kb, @torontoblood
 
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It's been long enough since we've rolled over to a new GDT and some people ( :p )were getting on me about not having the other one updated because I was super busy last week, so we'll start fresh for the week and the homestand which begins on Tuesday. Monday is an off-day but I figured I'll get the thread up early so I don't forget because I might be busy again tomorrow.

As always, the same conduct rules about drive-by posting and thread-hijacking tantrums apply, as do any previous sanctions you've received (ie if you were booted from the last thread you will get booted from this one at the first instance of breaking the rules. Only extended periods of good behaviour will earn back trust. Like lasting the entire thread without freaking out and annoying everyone.)

The other matchups for the rest of this series are:

Wednesday: Eduardo Rodriguez vs TBD for the Jays
Thursday: Ryne Nelson vs Kevin Gausman

Thursday's game is also an early start, 3pm ET/noon PT.


Just so the off day doesn't go to waste, I do have another vintage baseball broadcast to share if you want something to listen to this evening:

How about traveling back to June 4, 1957 for an evening game at Ebbets field pitting the Brooklyn Dodgers against the Chicago Cubs? This was in the middle of what turned out to be the Dodgers' final season in New York before relocating to Los Angeles for the start of the 1958 season. It's also some of the earliest work from a young Vin Scully, splitting the play-by-play duties for the Dodgers broadcast with the team's incumbent broadcaster Jerry Doggett.

On the field there's some familiar names, mostly on the Dodger side of things. Chicago's only marquee name in this game is Mr. Cub himself, Ernie Banks. But in spite of losing Jackie Robinson to retirement after the 1956 season, Brooklyn still ran out a formidable lineup with Roy Campanella, Gil Hodges, Duke Snider, and a promising young lefty on the mound who you may ( :sarcasm: ) have heard of: Sandy Koufax in just his 3rd season in the big leagues. Future noteworthy coach Don Zimmer also started the game at shortstop, giving Pee Wee Reese the day off (though Reese had begun to decline and this season marked a significant reduction in his playing time before he would end up retiring after playing sparingly in the team's first season out west.)



As always if you enjoy and actually listen to these games let me know so I can gauge whether or not there is continuing interest in me providing these. I'll also take feedback and requests about game choices or focuses. Though my archive of available games isn't unlimited. I can't speak to what's for sure available on youtube but the original downloaded MP3s I collected have some holes in them.

Regular season games: I have about a dozen from the 1930s, nothing from the 40s, a handful of early 50s games, and the largest chunk from about 1957 to 1973. Many teams seem to be represented, but the most frequent clubs are the White Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and eventually Mets, with fewer games for the likes of the Pirates, Cardinals, Athletics, Red Sox, and Giants though the years.

All-Star Games: I have every game from 1934 to 1944 (we've listend to 34 and 36 already), 1948, most games between 1955 and 1966 (missing 58, 61, 65) and 1970

Playoff series: I think I have most World Series in at least some capacity between 1934 and 1973, though many are incomplete and missing some games or parts of games. Complete series I have are 1948, 49, 59, 60, 63, 64, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, and 73. Most other years I do at least have the championship-winning game even if the series is incomplete.

I would expect that as we get out of the early 1960s there is probably a larger chance that I may not find youtube uploads of some of those games as the rules regarding public domain radio broadcasts become murkier the closer to the present that we get. As best as I can tell, a lot of radio stuff from 1957 or before is effectively public domain because of old rules, but it's not 100% set in stone. And newer stuff than that is less likely to be unprotected or ignored

And if you want to be alerted whenever I post a broadcast like this, be sure to leave a like/reaction to this post so I can add your name to the list of people who I flag below.

@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan, @Blitzkrug, @hockeywiz542, @kb, @torontoblood

Man we are lucky to have you Nem.
 
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This feels like a big series coming off the sweep.
TB has overtaken us in the wildcard race, Boston is on a 6 game heater, Texas has been playing better as of late.
It's still early but it feels like if we take this series and possibly sweep, the momentum of this last 30+ games stays churning along.
 
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Good time see how this team recovers from an asswhooping. On the plus side, Arizona's pitching rotation is an absolute tire fire but even more so with one of the two guys that were throwing well for them in Corbin Burnes is gone for the year with a torn UCL. Merril Kelly is the other guy playing to expectations and the Jays miss him in this series.

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Nothing really good about that last series outside of getting your doors blown off in 2 of 3, on top of the off day means the bullpen should be good and rested for a change.
 
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It's been long enough since we've rolled over to a new GDT and some people ( :p )were getting on me about not having the other one updated because I was super busy last week, so we'll start fresh for the week and the homestand which begins on Tuesday. Monday is an off-day but I figured I'll get the thread up early so I don't forget because I might be busy again tomorrow.

As always, the same conduct rules about drive-by posting and thread-hijacking tantrums apply, as do any previous sanctions you've received (ie if you were booted from the last thread you will get booted from this one at the first instance of breaking the rules. Only extended periods of good behaviour will earn back trust. Like lasting the entire thread without freaking out and annoying everyone.)

The other matchups for the rest of this series are:

Wednesday: Eduardo Rodriguez vs TBD for the Jays
Thursday: Ryne Nelson vs Kevin Gausman

Thursday's game is also an early start, 3pm ET/noon PT.


Just so the off day doesn't go to waste, I do have another vintage baseball broadcast to share if you want something to listen to this evening:

How about traveling back to June 4, 1957 for an evening game at Ebbets field pitting the Brooklyn Dodgers against the Chicago Cubs? This was in the middle of what turned out to be the Dodgers' final season in New York before relocating to Los Angeles for the start of the 1958 season. It's also some of the earliest work from a young Vin Scully, splitting the play-by-play duties for the Dodgers broadcast with the team's incumbent broadcaster Jerry Doggett.

On the field there's some familiar names, mostly on the Dodger side of things. Chicago's only marquee name in this game is Mr. Cub himself, Ernie Banks. But in spite of losing Jackie Robinson to retirement after the 1956 season, Brooklyn still ran out a formidable lineup with Roy Campanella, Gil Hodges, Duke Snider, and a promising young lefty on the mound who you may ( :sarcasm: ) have heard of: Sandy Koufax in just his 3rd season in the big leagues. Future noteworthy coach Don Zimmer also started the game at shortstop, giving Pee Wee Reese the day off (though Reese had begun to decline and this season marked a significant reduction in his playing time before he would end up retiring after playing sparingly in the team's first season out west.)



As always if you enjoy and actually listen to these games let me know so I can gauge whether or not there is continuing interest in me providing these. I'll also take feedback and requests about game choices or focuses. Though my archive of available games isn't unlimited. I can't speak to what's for sure available on youtube but the original downloaded MP3s I collected have some holes in them.

Regular season games: I have about a dozen from the 1930s, nothing from the 40s, a handful of early 50s games, and the largest chunk from about 1957 to 1973. Many teams seem to be represented, but the most frequent clubs are the White Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and eventually Mets, with fewer games for the likes of the Pirates, Cardinals, Athletics, Red Sox, and Giants though the years.

All-Star Games: I have every game from 1934 to 1944 (we've listend to 34 and 36 already), 1948, most games between 1955 and 1966 (missing 58, 61, 65) and 1970

Playoff series: I think I have most World Series in at least some capacity between 1934 and 1973, though many are incomplete and missing some games or parts of games. Complete series I have are 1948, 49, 59, 60, 63, 64, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, and 73. Most other years I do at least have the championship-winning game even if the series is incomplete.

I would expect that as we get out of the early 1960s there is probably a larger chance that I may not find youtube uploads of some of those games as the rules regarding public domain radio broadcasts become murkier the closer to the present that we get. As best as I can tell, a lot of radio stuff from 1957 or before is effectively public domain because of old rules, but it's not 100% set in stone. And newer stuff than that is less likely to be unprotected or ignored

And if you want to be alerted whenever I post a broadcast like this, be sure to leave a like/reaction to this post so I can add your name to the list of people who I flag below.

@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan, @Blitzkrug, @hockeywiz542, @kb, @torontoblood


Ha, I actually already listened to this a few years ago. The fact that there's audio of Vern Scully calling a Brooklyn Dodgers game started by Sandy Koufax is just beyond cool.

Dick Drott, the guy who started for Chicago, was actually younger/better than Koufax at that point but his career completely flamed out and he plateaued as a rookie.
 
After this series they have

3 vs CWS
3 @ CLE
3 @ BOS
4 vs NYY (Canada Day week)

Pretty good stretch to see what they got
 
WHat an absolutely terrible trade hernandez for swanson. I doubt anyone even claims him at this point. But good on the jays to just cut your losses and move on. Next man up
 
WHat an absolutely terrible trade hernandez for swanson. I doubt anyone even claims him at this point. But good on the jays to just cut your losses and move on. Next man up

He was really good the first year (and Hernandez was mediocre in Seattle). Then he missed camp last season when his kid got hit by a car and I think he then I think he got hurt mid-season after coming back, but was extremely inconsistent the whole time.

It was a fine trade at the time that turned on some crazy circumstances and the general pumpkining risk of good pen arms (he had 2 strong years with the Mariners before the trade and then one strong one after. a 3 year run is usually pretty good for a non-elite reliever)
 
He was really good the first year (and Hernandez was mediocre in Seattle). Then he missed camp last season when his kid got hit by a car and I think he then I think he got hurt mid-season after coming back, but was extremely inconsistent the whole time.

It was a fine trade at the time that turned on some crazy circumstances and the general pumpkining risk of good pen arms (he had 2 strong years with the Mariners before the trade and then one strong one after. a 3 year run is usually pretty good for a non-elite reliever)

Eh, I kind of defended the trade in 2023 on the basis that they got Kiermaier with the saved $$ and Kiermaier + Swanson produced more WAR than Hernandez that year ...

... but in the bigger picture it was just a bad deal. We could have kept Hernandez as the DH over Belt and we essentially took the teeth out of the lineup and Guerrero's protection away to get a 7th-8th inning guy who was only going to be worth 1-2 WAR in a best-case scenario.
 
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Eh, I kind of defended the trade in 2023 on the basis that they got Kiermaier with the saved $$ and Kiermaier + Swanson produced more WAR than Hernandez that year ...

... but in the bigger picture it was just a bad deal. We could have kept Hernandez as the DH over Belt and we essentially took the teeth out of the lineup and Guerrero's protection away to get a 7th-8th inning guy who was only going to be worth 1-2 WAR in a best-case scenario.
Keeping Teoscar as a DH over Belt almost certainly would have made the 2023 team worse, though. Belt had a 138 wRC+ to Teoscar's 106. Even if you attribute a lot of Teoscar's drop-off that year to playing in Seattle (he was a disaster at home and close to normal Teoscar on the road, so that's fair), Belt's offense in 2023 was in line with peak Teoscar.

Belt and Kiermaier easily replaced what Teoscar and Gurriel did the year before. It was the huge dropoffs from Kirk, Springer, and Vladdy (and the terrible offensive season from Varsho) that ruined the offense that year.
 
Keeping Teoscar as a DH over Belt almost certainly would have made the 2023 team worse, though. Belt had a 138 wRC+ to Teoscar's 106. Even if you attribute a lot of Teoscar's drop-off that year to playing in Seattle (he was a disaster at home and close to normal Teoscar on the road, so that's fair), Belt's offense in 2023 was in line with peak Teoscar.

Belt and Kiermaier easily replaced what Teoscar and Gurriel did the year before. It was the huge dropoffs from Kirk, Springer, and Vladdy (and the terrible offensive season from Varsho) that ruined the offense that year.

Seattle killed Teoscar that year. His road numbers were basically in line with his numbers everywhere else from 2020-now. Teoscar has basically been a pretty consistent 4.0 WAR/162 player for 6 years now dating back to 2020 and to me it's a pretty safe assumption he would have been in that neighborhood if we kept him.

Belt had a couple really nice hot streaks but was constantly hurt and then totally broken when the playoffs rolled around and we needed that offense the most. And worth 2 WAR.

But even more than that I think it was a big psychological blow to that team to take Hernandez out of the lineup and caused a negative effect in the way that numbers can't really capture.
 
Wow, didn't expect that they'd pull the trigger on Swanson this quickly. Much more proactive than the usual way this group handles things
Their asses are on the line, so they are probably a bit more aware of things that need to be done. Swanson has been hot garbage since last year.
 
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Their asses are on the line, so they are probably a bit more aware of things that need to be done. Swanson has been hot garbage since last year.

He was terrible to start last year but after his recall mid-season he put up a 2.55 ERA in his last 27 appearances. Given what happened to his kid on the eve of the season, it seemed like a reasonable excuse for the early struggles and then that he got back on track. This year, not so much.
 
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Francis on the IL is a good thing too. Probably just a phantom stint to maybe let his mind get right/work on some stuff.
 
Seattle killed Teoscar that year. His road numbers were basically in line with his numbers everywhere else from 2020-now. Teoscar has basically been a pretty consistent 4.0 WAR/162 player for 6 years now dating back to 2020 and to me it's a pretty safe assumption he would have been in that neighborhood if we kept him.

Belt had a couple really nice hot streaks but was constantly hurt and then totally broken when the playoffs rolled around and we needed that offense the most. And worth 2 WAR.

But even more than that I think it was a big psychological blow to that team to take Hernandez out of the lineup and caused a negative effect in the way that numbers can't really capture.
Belt was pretty bad in playoffs. Everyone but Kirk and Bo were but Belt was something else. 0 hit. 0 walk in 8 PA with 5 strikeouts. From what i can remember he did not hit a single ball hard in those 2 games.
 
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