News from Around the AHL/NHL/KHL 2023-24

[YearlyLottery]

Lol, well it is amazing how some GMs seem to bend to Sakic's will. Giving up a first and a second for a player who regressed mightily, doesn't look like a 2C and was a fourth liner by the playoffs? Definitely a different take. I was thinking a late second and maybe a third rounder, at most. But you just need to fool one dumb or desperate GM.

Instead of being frustrated with GM's bending to Sakic I for one can appreciate the amazing job he has done. The way he treated the Duchene trade negotiations is a doctorate level course in how to be a GM.

 

[danteipp]

Instead of being frustrated with GM's bending to Sakic I for one can appreciate the amazing job he has done. The way he treated the Duchene trade negotiations is a doctorate level course in how to be a GM.

That is the scary thing, I wouldn't even say he has done a great job. He has primarily benefitted from inheriting an amazing core of premium players via high draft picks, most on the cheap at the time, especially the MacKinnon contract.

Sakic has not drafted particularly well, failing on high picks in Jost and Newhook, and he also got very lucky that expansion had a minimal impact on them, unlike other teams. I mean they "lost" Calvin Pickard and Joonas Donskoi. No great loss by any means, especially when considering that teams gave up significant assets in the Vegas expansion draft.

The Toews trade was great for Colorado and brought a missing piece that they needed, but the Duchene negotiations were ultimately just Ottawa being dumb. They seemingly bid against themselves and overestimated where they were in their build. It does not seem like anyone else was offering near the package that Ottawa gave up.

I remember when Isles fans wanted to trade a mix of Barzal (after he was sent back to juniors), Sorokin (not yet signed) and/or a first rounder for Duchene, while keeping Beau and Ho-Sang, because they both "did it" at the NHL level. Like I said, all it takes is one bad/dumb GM. The Yankees used to run a masterclass on teams like the Reds years ago, before GMs wised up.

The Avalanche won a Cup, but right now Sakic looks a bit lost trying to figure out how to recapture that magic. I am also not sold on the Ryan Johansen trade, even at 50% retained by Nashville. I think the guy is cooked. But at least it will be easy to offload that contract if he doesn't perform after this season.

Sakic has a LOT of work ahead of him and needs to rework the forwards corps. And it would be great if some of these clowns up North stopped helping out at every turn.

 

[doublechili]

FWIW, I don't think Sakic has the GM title in COL any more. Pres maybe?

 

[Throttle]

That is the scary thing, I wouldn't even say he has done a great job. He has primarily benefitted from inheriting an amazing core of premium players via high draft picks, most on the cheap at the time, especially the MacKinnon contract.

Sakic has not drafted particularly well, failing on high picks in Jost and Newhook, and he also got very lucky that expansion had a minimal impact on them, unlike other teams. I mean they "lost" Calvin Pickard and Joonas Donskoi. No great loss by any means, especially when considering that teams gave up significant assets in the Vegas expansion draft.

The Toews trade was great for Colorado and brought a missing piece that they needed, but the Duchene negotiations were ultimately just Ottawa being dumb. They seemingly bid against themselves and overestimated where they were in their build. It does not seem like anyone else was offering near the package that Ottawa gave up.

I remember when Isles fans wanted to trade a mix of Barzal (after he was sent back to juniors), Sorokin (not yet signed) and/or a first rounder for Duchene, while keeping Beau and Ho-Sang, because they both "did it" at the NHL level. Like I said, all it takes is one bad/dumb GM. The Yankees used to run a masterclass on teams like the Reds years ago, before GMs wised up.

The Avalanche won a Cup, but right now Sakic looks a bit lost trying to figure out how to recapture that magic. I am also not sold on the Ryan Johansen trade, even at 50% retained by Nashville. I think the guy is cooked. But at least it will be easy to offload that contract if he doesn't perform after this season.

Sakic has a LOT of work ahead of him and needs to rework the forwards corps. And it would be great if some of these clowns up North stopped helping out at every turn.

I think COL is a one and done Cup winner, they benefited from the weird nhl schedule, teams trying to play fire wagon hockey (notice that was reduced this playoffs), a tired TB as final opponent, and Vegas missing the playoffs.

Will they be competitive? Sure, I don’t see them winning anything. Also, bizarre Sakic didn’t make a move to shore up his 2nd line center spot last season and going into the playoffs - that was a signal of what’s to come.

 

[YearlyLottery]

That is the scary thing, I wouldn't even say he has done a great job. He has primarily benefitted from inheriting an amazing core of premium players via high draft picks, most on the cheap at the time, especially the MacKinnon contract.

Sakic has not drafted particularly well, failing on high picks in Jost and Newhook, and he also got very lucky that expansion had a minimal impact on them, unlike other teams. I mean they "lost" Calvin Pickard and Joonas Donskoi. No great loss by any means, especially when considering that teams gave up significant assets in the Vegas expansion draft.

The Toews trade was great for Colorado and brought a missing piece that they needed, but the Duchene negotiations were ultimately just Ottawa being dumb. They seemingly bid against themselves and overestimated where they were in their build. It does not seem like anyone else was offering near the package that Ottawa gave up.

I remember when Isles fans wanted to trade a mix of Barzal (after he was sent back to juniors), Sorokin (not yet signed) and/or a first rounder for Duchene, while keeping Beau and Ho-Sang, because they both "did it" at the NHL level. Like I said, all it takes is one bad/dumb GM. The Yankees used to run a masterclass on teams like the Reds years ago, before GMs wised up.

The Avalanche won a Cup, but right now Sakic looks a bit lost trying to figure out how to recapture that magic. I am also not sold on the Ryan Johansen trade, even at 50% retained by Nashville. I think the guy is cooked. But at least it will be easy to offload that contract if he doesn't perform after this season.

Sakic has a LOT of work ahead of him and needs to rework the forwards corps. And it would be great if some of these clowns up North stopped helping out at every turn.

The bolded is arguably the two moves that won them a Cup though (along with getting Kadri). Sakic was given a core that had little playoff success and turned them into a Cup winner. That in my book buys him a little bit to tread water if needed.

 

[danteipp]

I think COL is a one and done Cup winner, they benefited from the weird nhl schedule, teams trying to play fire wagon hockey (notice that was reduced this playoffs), a tired TB as final opponent, and Vegas missing the playoffs.

Will they be competitive? Sure, I don’t see them winning anything. Also, bizarre Sakic didn’t make a move to shore up his 2nd line center spot last season and going into the playoffs - that was a signal of what’s to come.

They will of course be competitive but, like you said, they benefited from a very disjointed playoffs last season.

Everyone seemed to gravitate towards the Rags style of play, which was just survive on 5-5, they got a very good performance from their goalie (which was VERY lucky with Kuemper stepping up, as he probably folds most of the time), then beat your opponent on special teams and with stretch passes and breakaways.

I have my doubts about Sakic building a true Stanley Cup contender however. It is one thing to inherit a team where you only need to add one or two players. Now it appears he is trying to find deals to patch together two lines, which is a monumental task.

I mean I guess he can just keep trying to fleece GMs but not sure that is a solid plan, especially if he misses on high draft picks.

As for the 2C spot, I think Sakic miscalculated thinking Compher could handle the 2C and also on Newhook as the 3C. I also wouldn't trust Georgiev to backstop me to a winner. But I guess he thought they could overcome Kuemper, so why not Georgiev too?

Losing Landeskog is also a killer, but at least they can LTIR his contract.

 

[PK Cronin]

The bolded is arguably the two moves that won them a Cup though (along with getting Kadri). Sakic was given a core that had little playoff success and turned them into a Cup winner. That in my book buys him a little bit to tread water if needed.

With the current rate of turnover in the league front offices I wouldn't be surprised if most cup winners are with a different GMs players making up the bulk of the roster. It's just the way things are these days.

I don't view it as a positive or a negative. You need different people at different parts of the journey to win the cup.

 

[danteipp]

The bolded is arguably the two moves that won them a Cup though (along with getting Kadri). Sakic was given a core that had little playoff success and turned them into a Cup winner. That in my book buys him a little bit to tread water if needed.

So far, Sakic looks like a better GM/front office type than say a Chevy or Jarmo, but I don't think much of either of them.

Chevy holds players too long and seems hesitant to make deals outside of his comfort zone (often dealing with the Rags and flipping depth pieces back and forth for draft picks), while never addressing true team needs. Some of those Jets teams should have done better over the years, especially in the weak West, and it seems their locker room is borderline toxic. So far, outside of players like PLD, he seems hesitant to make any big moves.

While Jarmo just seems to react and gamble, moving players around without any type of long-term plan. I guess with ownership being "hands off" in Columbus, which presumably means checked out, Jarmo and JD have almost lifetime contracts and are untouchable.

Both of those GMs squandered some VERY talented teams over the years. Often not even getting out of the first round. Sakic seems like a more proactive GM but now he truly has some work cut out for him, with the big injury to Landeskog and needing to sign around 11 players with, I believe, $15.75 million in cap space.

 

[doublechili]

TOR signed Kampf, Engvall's old line mate, for 4 x $2.4M. Not sure if that sets a bar for negotiations.

 

[danteipp]

TOR signed Kampf, Engvall's old line mate, for 4 x $2.4M. Not sure if that sets a bar for negotiations.

Four years at $3.25 million would be fantastic.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Are you kidding? Who else could they be targeting for the missing spot on the Hall-Bedard line?

Bailey ?

Eh hmmm….

 

[SI90]

Brings me back to Howie “ is it spring training yet?” LMAO

 

[YearlyLottery]

Brings me back to Howie “ is it spring training yet?” LMAO

In a perfect world reporters can ask smart ass questions like this and the organization can give a smart ass response back while being able to move on.

 

[leeroggy]

In a perfect world reporters can ask smart ass questions like this and the organization can give a smart ass response back while being able to move on.

Dean Martin would hit on her but the good old days are gone

 

[doublechili]

Brings me back to Howie “ is it spring training yet?” LMAO

If Ed Snider was still alive those two would be entering the witness protection program.

 

[PK Cronin]

This seems like it might be a big deal.

 

[leeroggy]

Canada[edit]

Head coach: Dominique Ducharme

Pos.	No.	Player	Team	NHL Rights
GK	1	Colton Point	Colgate University	Dallas Stars
GK	31	Carter Hart	Everett Silvertips	Philadelphia Flyers
D	2	Jake Bean	Calgary Hitmen	Carolina Hurricanes
D	3	Conor Timmins	Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds	Colorado Avalanche
D	6	Callan Foote	Kelowna Rockets	Nashville Predators
D	7	Cale Makar	University of Massachusetts Amherst	Colorado Avalanche
D	8	Dante Fabbro – A	Boston University	Nashville Predators
D	10	Kale Clague – A	Brandon Wheat Kings	Los Angeles Kings
D	28	Victor Mete – A	Montreal Canadiens	Montreal Canadiens
F	9	Dillon Dubé – C	Kelowna Rockets	Calgary Flames
F	11	Jonah Gadjovich	Owen Sound Attack	Vancouver Canucks
F	12	Boris Katchouk	Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds	Tampa Bay Lightning
F	14	Maxime Comtois	Victoriaville Tigres	Anaheim Ducks
F	16	Taylor Raddysh	Erie Otters	Tampa Bay Lightning
F	17	Tyler Steenbergen	Swift Current Broncos	Arizona Coyotes
F	19	Drake Batherson	Cape Breton Screaming Eagles	Ottawa Senators
F	20	Michael McLeod	Mississauga Steelheads	New Jersey Devils
F	21	Brett Howden	Moose Jaw Warriors	Tampa Bay Lightning
F	23	Sam Steel	Regina Pats	Anaheim Ducks
F	24	Alex Formenton	London Knights	Ottawa Senators
F	25	Jordan Kyrou	Sarnia Sting	St. Louis Blues
F	27	Robert Thomas	London Knights	St. Louis Blues

 

[PK Cronin]

Canada[edit]

Head coach: Dominique Ducharme

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[TD]Pos.[/TD]
[TD]No.[/TD]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]NHL Rights[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GK[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Colton Point[/TD]
[TD]Colgate University[/TD]
[TD]Dallas Stars[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GK[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]Carter Hart[/TD]
[TD]Everett Silvertips[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia Flyers[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Jake Bean[/TD]
[TD]Calgary Hitmen[/TD]
[TD]Carolina Hurricanes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Conor Timmins[/TD]
[TD]Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Avalanche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Callan Foote[/TD]
[TD]Kelowna Rockets[/TD]
[TD]Nashville Predators[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Cale Makar[/TD]
[TD]University of Massachusetts Amherst[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Avalanche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Dante Fabbro – A[/TD]
[TD]Boston University[/TD]
[TD]Nashville Predators[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Kale Clague – A[/TD]
[TD]Brandon Wheat Kings[/TD]
[TD]Los Angeles Kings[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]Victor Mete – A[/TD]
[TD]Montreal Canadiens[/TD]
[TD]Montreal Canadiens[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Dillon Dubé – C[/TD]
[TD]Kelowna Rockets[/TD]
[TD]Calgary Flames[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Jonah Gadjovich[/TD]
[TD]Owen Sound Attack[/TD]
[TD]Vancouver Canucks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Boris Katchouk[/TD]
[TD]Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Maxime Comtois[/TD]
[TD]Victoriaville Tigres[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim Ducks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Taylor Raddysh[/TD]
[TD]Erie Otters[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Tyler Steenbergen[/TD]
[TD]Swift Current Broncos[/TD]
[TD]Arizona Coyotes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Drake Batherson[/TD]
[TD]Cape Breton Screaming Eagles[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa Senators[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Michael McLeod[/TD]
[TD]Mississauga Steelheads[/TD]
[TD]New Jersey Devils[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]Brett Howden[/TD]
[TD]Moose Jaw Warriors[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]Sam Steel[/TD]
[TD]Regina Pats[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim Ducks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]Alex Formenton[/TD]
[TD]London Knights[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa Senators[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Jordan Kyrou[/TD]
[TD]Sarnia Sting[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis Blues[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]Robert Thomas[/TD]
[TD]London Knights[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis Blues[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We don't have anyone in the organization that would be connected to this right? Coaching and management I mean.

 

[mm11]

We don't have anyone in the organization that would be connected to this right? Coaching and management I mean.

first thought was Barzy was on that team. Thanks for whomever found the roster.

 

[leeroggy]

first thought was Barzy was on that team. Thanks for whomever found the roster.

Your FELLOW Floridian . . .

 

[Throttle]

This seems like it might be a big deal.

Westhead…

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

 

[Glorydays22]

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Isles sign him to a $775K 2-way deal

 

[leeroggy]

Isles sign him to a $775K 2-way deal

Oh yeah . . . nothing says Lou more than Tony DeAngelo!

Heck, THIS guy is more likely to get signed here . . .

 

[JKP]

Some CHL news from here in Halifax – the Mooseheads have hired Jon Sim as a Player Development Consultant.

Halifax Mooseheads

halifaxmooseheads.ca

I know a lot of y'all weren't fans of Simmer, but he's always been super nice to me and my kids when I've bumped into him over the years and he did a lot of charity stuff in the small town I grew up in.