News from Around the AHL/NHL/KHL 2023-24

[Throttle]

Houston’s arena is multi-purpose and can hold over 17,000 for hockey. It has sufficient suites and doesn’t need modifications. Perhaps you’re thinking of the Phoenix Suns arena.

I thought the issue with Houston was ownership and arena modifications - guess, the arena is not an issue.

 

[LAIslanderFan]

What would work in everyone’s favor is if the Coyotes moved and started acting like an NHL franchise for once.

How soon we forget.

Islanders arena referendum voted down by Nassau County residents; What next for Charles Wang?

The future of the New York Islanders calling Long Island home for the foreseeable future took a major blow tonight as the arena referendum was voted down by Nassau County voters.

nhl.nbcsports.com

Malloy Asks NY Islanders to Move to Hartford

Hartford’s XL Center has been pitched to be the temporary home of the New York Islanders.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

Islanders owner regrets buying struggling team

New York Islanders owner Charles Wang says he regrets buying the money-losing NHL team nine years ago.

www.espn.com

When John Spano faked his net-worth to buy the New York Islanders

In 1996, John Spano attempted to purchase the New York Islanders (a professional ice hockey team in the NHL) by faking his net worth. Spano claimed to be worth around $230 million.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[leeroggy]

OEL at $1,500,000 makes a ton of sense as an upgrade on Aho as a sheltered 3LD

Put him with Schenn if Mayfield is too pricey and you have improved the back line

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

OEL at $1,500,000 makes a ton of sense as an upgrade on Aho as a sheltered 3LD

Put him with Schenn if Mayfield is too pricey and you have improved the back line

Was actually just coming here to post this. If OEL could be had for under 2 million, that is well worth the risk. On a good defensive team, he could easily return to being a middle pairing defenseman capable of 8-10 goals and 35-40 points at a bargain.

 

[JKP]

Houston’s arena is multi-purpose and can hold over 17,000 for hockey. It has sufficient suites and doesn’t need modifications. Perhaps you’re thinking of the Phoenix Suns arena.

While Houston‘s arena is turn-key for hockey, Houston is being saved for another expansion at some point, ARZ will not be moving there.

 

[MJF]

While Houston‘s arena is turn-key for hockey, Houston is being saved for another expansion at some point, ARZ will not be moving there.

Houston will die of old age before the league gets its house in order for another round of expansion.

 

[Big L]

Please, no more expansion teams.

 

[JKP]

Houston will die of old age before the league gets its house in order for another round of expansion.

The last expansion was $650M. That’s $20M per owner, not shared with the players. The next one will probably be close to $1B… that will be $30M per owner, not shared with the players. It will happen, it’s just when.

They want that TV market, but they aren’t giving it to ARZ when they could each pocket $30M. ARZ will stay in PHX or likely go to some second tier market like SLC.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Was actually just coming here to post this. If OEL could be had for under 2 million, that is well worth the risk. On a good defensive team, he could easily return to being a middle pairing defenseman capable of 8-10 goals and 35-40 points at a bargain.

OEL at $1,500,000 makes a ton of sense as an upgrade on Aho as a sheltered 3LD

OEL is not Ryan Suter. He's not getting bought out to go onto the market and still demand a solid contract (like the one Dallas gave Suter).

From what I've seen of OEL in recent years, there are better options out there for 1-2 million, even on this stingy UFA market.

Just viewing the NHL line-up, there could be intrinsic value of signing him at 850 k per or less for the #3 LHD position.

Of course, an adding of such a player likely would mean that Aho will need to be flipped. Already exchanging Aho with OEL would mean a downgrade in mobility. Also, I mean, I wouldn't otherwise understand what the team has in mind for Bolduc and Salo, much less a Cholowski, if both OEL and Aho are ahead of them at this juncture?

Put him with Schenn if Mayfield is too pricey and you have improved the back line

Schenn may have to be an option. He'd be a downgrade via-a-vis Mayfield.

But about the only thing that would really make me feel at ease about losing Mayfield at this point is if he's replaced by Brett Pesce.

There's a guy who has LI/Islander ties who'd be an upgrade to our team's ambitions.

Dunno how it could happen? Just know there's smoke in Carolina with respect to Pesce.

 

[saintunspecified]

The last expansion was $650M. That’s $20M per owner, not shared with the players. The next one will probably be close to $1B… that will be $30M per owner, not shared with the players. It will happen, it’s just when.

They want that TV market, but they aren’t giving it to ARZ when they could each pocket $30M. ARZ will stay in PHX or likely go to some second tier market like SLC.

What's going on in Phoenix is a really big issue specifically because of how lucrative expansion is for the owners. I don't know how they're going to thread that needle. I could see the NHL being able to deal with it if the Coyotes were to go to a former NHL city like Quebec City or Hartford. But it's gotta be a hard sell to the owners for a franchise to relocate to a major new market without lining their pockets.

 

[MJF]

The last expansion was $650M. That’s $20M per owner, not shared with the players. The next one will probably be close to $1B… that will be $30M per owner, not shared with the players. It will happen, it’s just when.

They want that TV market, but they aren’t giving it to ARZ when they could each pocket $30M. ARZ will stay in PHX or likely go to some second tier market like SLC.

If this is the case then the best thing to do with the Coyotes is what the NHL did with the Cleveland Barons, fold the team and have a dispersal draft.

*the Barons operations were merged with the Minnesota North Stars, who at that time were also in danger of going out of business. The league felt it was the best way not to lose 2 franchises.

 

[JKP]

What's going on in Phoenix is a really big issue specifically because of how lucrative expansion is for the owners. I don't know how they're going to thread that needle. I could see the NHL being able to deal with it if the Coyotes were to go to a former NHL city like Quebec City or Hartford. But it's gotta be a hard sell to the owners for a franchise to relocate to a major new market without lining their pockets.

Problem with QC and Hartford is you then need an east team to go to the west. That's why folks thing SLC is an answer, or figuring out a bargain sale to the Phx NBA owner. Then they save the big markets (Houston and Atlanta) for expansion.

 

[saintunspecified]

If this is the case then the best thing to do with the Coyotes is what the NHL did with the Cleveland Barons, fold the team and have a dispersal draft.

What's the business implications of that beyond what's due to players?

Seems to me that if the NHL decides to fold the team after keeping them up during expansion, that the Coyote's creditors (have no idea what they have) would have a claim on the league.

 

[seafoam]

Arizona to SLC, new expansion in Atlanta and Houston.

That's like 50M in the owners' pockets that they don't need to share with the players.

 

[saintunspecified]

Problem with QC and Hartford is you then need an east team to go to the west. That's why folks thing SLC is an answer, or figuring out a bargain sale to the Phx NBA owner. Then they save the big markets (Houston and Atlanta) for expansion.

Change Michigan's time zone to Central. Problem solved.

I'm not serious.

 

[MJF]

What's the business implications of that beyond what's due to players?

Seems to me that if the NHL decides to fold the team after keeping them up during expansion, that the Coyote's creditors (have no idea what they have) would have a claim on the league.

It would have to be the Coyote’s owners notifying the league that there is no viable buyer, market in Phoenix, and they cannot remain solvent. It can’t be a unilateral decision by the league to fold the team.

Doesn’t there come a point where a franchise isn’t sustainable and is not desirable to potential buyers? And would the rest of the league want to prop up this franchise a 2nd time?

 

[saintunspecified]

Doesn’t there come a point where a franchise isn’t sustainable and is not desirable to potential buyers? And would the rest of the league want to prop up this franchise a 2nd time?

I don't know the terms of the previous bailout, but I do wonder what liability the league has. I find that what the owners/league are doing with respect to expansion & locking franchises in place to be... sketchy to say the least.

 

[doublechili]

They want that TV market, but they aren’t giving it to ARZ when they could each pocket $30M. ARZ will stay in PHX or likely go to some second tier market like SLC.

Yeah. PHX is the #11 TV market, so the league will probably be very patient with trying to make that work out. Atlanta and Houston are the #6 and #7 markets, so eventual expansion there makes sense. I assume the league's presence/absence in major markets comes into play when they're negotiating TV deals?

 

[Big L]

What market is Kansas City

 

[MJF]

Problem with QC and Hartford is you then need an east team to go to the west. That's why folks thing SLC is an answer, or figuring out a bargain sale to the Phx NBA owner. Then they save the big markets (Houston and Atlanta) for expansion.

The NHL will never be able to expand until the problem with the Coyotes is settled. I'm not sure they can steer the team to relocate to a 2nd tier market and would current ownership accept that?

 

[SI90]

Captain Peca will be an assistant for Laviolette with the Rags. Yuck

 

[MJF]

Captain Peca will be an assistant for Laviolette with the Rags. Yuck

Meh. It's not like Peca is around the Isles very often as a noted alumnus. Nor is this as heinous as Bryan Trottier taking the Rags head coaching job.

 

[gordie43]

Meh. It's not like Peca is around the Isles very often as a noted alumnus. Nor is this as heinous as Bryan Trottier taking the Rags head coaching job.

I don’t want to derail this thread, but I need to ask, why was it the Rangers were the only offer Trottier seemed to get?

He was a successful assistant for many years and I don’t recall his name brought up for that many head coaching positions. Could it have been that was his only HC opportunity so he grabbed it?

My mind is rusty so I could have forgotten Trottier’s coaching offers.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Now that it's actually come out about Debrincat's preferred destinations, I think we can cut Lou some slack for not giving up assets for him.

 

[Throttle]

Now that it's actually come out about Debrincat's preferred destinations, I think we can cut Lou some slack for not giving up assets for him.

And OTT should have never made that trade to begin with…he either he could have resigned him (low) or flip him for more than he was acquired (again, low), so just a poor move by Dorian - unless he sought to flip in a lateral move to get something OTT needed later on (like, now) and watching the roster take shape and guys develop now seeing the needs (if pulls it off, then a solid move).