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The New York Islanders Should Have Locked Lou Lamiorello's Contract Extension Up When They Had The Chance!! Now It Will Be A Bidding War With Toronto!!!
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Bettman and Q are scheduled to meet once the season ends.
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will meet with coach Joel Quenneville once the season ends to review his status, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reports. Dreger reported earlier this month there is "a strong possibility" of an NHL return this off-season for Quenneville, who still requires...
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Many feel he will be the Rags next HCBettman and Q are scheduled to meet once the season ends.
Gary Bettman to meet with Joel Quenneville to review status once playoffs end | TSN
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will meet with coach Joel Quenneville once the season ends to review his status, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reports. Dreger reported earlier this month there is "a strong possibility" of an NHL return this off-season for Quenneville, who still requires...
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And then Kane will take a discount to play there.
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FWIW, Larry Brooks said a week or two ago that he "learned" that the NYR will not pursue Q. But that could be some semantic gymnastics that means Q has to be cleared first...
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Or that Q with pursue them.
Being in New York City it might be wise to stay away from that potential PR nightmare but hockey is buried so far down in the sports world that they might get away with it in a way that a team like the Giants couldn't.
Exactly right. Hockey in the NYC landscape ranks right above the MLS, and not by much.Or that Q with pursue them.
Being in New York City it might be wise to stay away from that potential PR nightmare but hockey is buried so far down in the sports world that they might get away with it in a way that a team like the Giants couldn't.
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Dubass out of TOR. i love that the tavares signing they gloated over single-handedly cost them any sort of success and Dubass's job
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Not so fast. Maybe Chris Lamoriello will end up with the TOR job. In that case, Lou will need a new son, so he'll step up to be Pres and hire Dubas as GM. Chris' first trade will be with Dubas, sending Tavares and Nylander to the Isles for Barzal, Lee, Fasching and Bailey to change the "culture". Could happen.
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I would have been in favor of bringing in Dubas until I heard what transpired, it sounded like Dubas pretended he wasn't sure if we wanted to return as a way to make the Leafs pay more for him, and Shanahan called him out on it and told him to stuff it, I am guessing Dubas never thought we wouldn't return despite what he said last week.
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Dubas is a clown. Shanny is a bigger clown for wanting him back, saying the has a successful season.
BS: “Good trade deadline, I’m happy, here’s a new deal”
KD: “Thanks, looks good. I just need to go whine about how hard my job is to the public first.”
BS: “Well, that’s not cool…”
KD: “And I want more money now, because we won a round…”
BS: “On second thought, you’re a whiny dick, get lost.”
What a joke…
BS: “Good trade deadline, I’m happy, here’s a new deal”
KD: “Thanks, looks good. I just need to go whine about how hard my job is to the public first.”
BS: “Well, that’s not cool…”
KD: “And I want more money now, because we won a round…”
BS: “On second thought, you’re a whiny dick, get lost.”
What a joke…
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I have no idea why he and Dubas and their crap coach would be retained. One of Bell or Rogers must think Shanny is delivering enough money… but I think each home PO game there is about 6-7M in rev, that’s a lot of missed $$ over the last 8+ years for Shanny.
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I actually have a funny feeling that Dubas is going to crush it in his second gig. He boxed himself in, and distorted their rebuild ever more with the Tavares signing thanks in large part to an inordinate amount of local pressure to get it done unique to Toronto. He will have learned from that IMHO.
Could see him go to a place like PIT where they've historically valued high-end skill, and channeled it into Cups, and doing well. Sure I'm in the minority- but I'd take him on the Island with Lou as his President for a couple years. Somehow seems like a more legitimate arrangement than just hiring someone else named "Lamoriello" when the time comes- or worse- ownership just hoping Lou lives to be 105- which seems the current plan...
Could see him go to a place like PIT where they've historically valued high-end skill, and channeled it into Cups, and doing well. Sure I'm in the minority- but I'd take him on the Island with Lou as his President for a couple years. Somehow seems like a more legitimate arrangement than just hiring someone else named "Lamoriello" when the time comes- or worse- ownership just hoping Lou lives to be 105- which seems the current plan...
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I’ve been hugely critical of Dubas. For the reasons you have pointed out.
But also, because I feel it falls somewhat under a recent cultural phenomenon driven by our societies value on technological ingenuity.
Ingenuity in-of-itself is not bad. But at times it seems our society wants to attribute automatic hero status to just about any young individual who is perceived as disruptive to establishment. Regardless if there is genuine value there, or at the expense of something traditional that does have value.
I felt this notion of Dubas as this nu-NHL genius who somehow “cracked the secret” of team building was parroted non-stop by the hockey social/media.
With Dubas, it seems that he needed to reconcile his approach to team building with tried and true fundamentals to competitive hockey. Defense, structure, depth and at minimum withstanding opponents physicality* are necessary in any and all eras.
*this doesn’t mean fighting, but winning the one-on-one battles.
With that said, players are expected to learn and grow with experience. I see no reason why GMs and coaches can’t either.
Lol, so I guess this is my long winded tangent of saying I agree with you.
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Ha. Totally understand what you mean- and I think yor Dubas critiques are very fair. The "Boy Genius" moniker usually ends up being an albatross (see Josh McDaniels in football)- especially in a place as rabid as Toronto.I’ve been hugely critical of Dubas. For the reasons you have pointed out.
But also, because I feel it falls somewhat under a recent cultural phenomenon driven by our societies value on technological ingenuity.
Ingenuity in-of-itself is not bad. But at times it seems our society wants to attribute automatic hero status to just about any young individual who is perceived as disruptive to establishment. Regardless if there is genuine value there, or at the expense of something traditional that does have value.
I felt this notion of Dubas as this nu-NHL genius who somehow “cracked the secret” of team building was parroted non-stop by the hockey social/media.
With Dubas, it seems that he needed to reconcile his approach to team building with tried and true fundamentals to competitive hockey. Defense, structure, depth and at minimum withstanding opponents physicality* are necessary in any and all eras.
*this doesn’t mean fighting, but winning the one-on-one battles.
With that said, players are expected to learn and grow with experience. I see no reason why GMs and coaches can’t either.
Lol, so I guess this is my long winded tangent of saying I agree with you.
That said- to the extent someone like Lou (and many others in the league apparently) really seems something of value to Dubas should not be overlooked either IMHO. Who the heck knows- but if I had to guess- my take is Dubas is a bright hockey mind, with a specific POV to team building that ultimately came up short in his first, highly-pressurized opportunity. With that resume, more likely IMHO he has a future in this game rather than he's some charlatan that hoodwinked the powerful Maple Leafs for 9 years never to be heard from again...
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Not trying to defend Dubas but do we know pajama boy was his decision. I wonder if Shanny and/or ownership became enamored with signing him?
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We have to be honest with ourselves. Tavares was a 28 year old #1 center in his prime who wanted to come and played there. You didn’t have to give up any assets to acquire him. A player like that as a free agent you sign all day and figure the rest out later. BOS tried hard to sign him as well as Dallas and San Jose.
The problem the leafs made was they sucked at contract negotiations specifically with Marner. They also struggled to find a legit #1 goalie. The Kadri for Barrie and Kerfert trade was horrendous. Barrie wasn’t the type of defensman they needed. Ironically the type of defensman they needed was the one that Barrie was just traded for (Ekholm)
I don’t think signing Tavares was their big mistake like every says. They almost had no choice to but to sign him. Those opportunities don’t come along every free agency.
They were just so stubborn in their attempts to prove they could win and keep everyone together that they neglected to build the team out properly.
I actually they had their best team this year and made the right moves. Bringing in Schenn and McCabe on defense was an excellent move. Matthews Marner and Tavares just didn’t show up in round 2. They also didn’t get elite goaltending even though at times Samsonov was good.
5 seasons of Tavares ideally the move would be to trade him now while he still has value and only 2 years left on his deal but there’s no way in hell he would waive.
Matthews watch has to begin now. They need to learn from Tavares and the islanders. . July 1st he can sign an extension. If they don’t reach an agreement on a deal I’m shopping him for the best possible package and they would get a ton for him.
Marner imo is the best player on the team. He’s elite offensively and defensively. I wouldn’t move him. Nylander doesn’t make as much as the others and he produces. If they move Matthews they need to get a blue chip center prospect or a young center with #1 upside.
This is going to be an interesting offseason, transition, and year for the leafs.
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Damn shame that Dubas and Gorton were essentially fired because they crushed their cap and limited their ability to build a complete team, with the Tavares and Panarin signings. Among other questionable moves of course, like the Rags having to trade Buchnevich and a second for the ghost of Blais, trading Marleau with a first rounder to Carolina for cap relief that became Seth Jarvis, etc.
Dubas needed to improve the overall defense and goaltending, while Gorton should have been looking to improve the Rags center depth and make them harder to play against. And I mean real toughness and grit, not Captain Elbows penchant for running smaller, vulnerable players. Instead they both got involved, overpaid and signed redundant pieces that crushed their flexibility.
I guess the consolation they can both take is that by blocking the Isles ability to retain (Tavares) or add (Panarin), thereby securing that missing extra offensive forward needed and maybe get over the hump against Tampa, they probably stopped the Isles from winning at least one Stanley Cup.
So they have that going for them, lol.
Dubas needed to improve the overall defense and goaltending, while Gorton should have been looking to improve the Rags center depth and make them harder to play against. And I mean real toughness and grit, not Captain Elbows penchant for running smaller, vulnerable players. Instead they both got involved, overpaid and signed redundant pieces that crushed their flexibility.
I guess the consolation they can both take is that by blocking the Isles ability to retain (Tavares) or add (Panarin), thereby securing that missing extra offensive forward needed and maybe get over the hump against Tampa, they probably stopped the Isles from winning at least one Stanley Cup.
So they have that going for them, lol.
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If pajama boy ever ended up here I’m not spending a dollar till he’s gone again
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When the next best option is Chris Lamoriello, I can see why Dubas might seem attractive...but remember, you can't spell Dumbass without Dubas.
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