NotOpie
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Underrated here....maybe...even probably. But $5 million per year for 6 years is just a stretch.
News and Notes XVI: RF's Vision Quest
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Underrated here....maybe...even probably. But $5 million per year for 6 years is just a stretch.
bleedgreen
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Why? That's less than 200k more than Faulk, who's supposed to be a steal at that price when it was signed a couple of years ago. He definitely wasn't getting the ink he is now at the time either. It buys out years of ufa. I think they got a solid deal out of it, especially considering they had no choice but to sign him. Could've been worse for sure.
bleedgreen
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i agree with bleed
just because faulks contract is a steal doesnt mean that every other big contract automatically becomes terrible
faulks is a steal, theirs are average
if we want to make faulks the new normal, probably every defenseman in the league is overpaid, but thats obviously nonsense
just because faulks contract is a steal doesnt mean that every other big contract automatically becomes terrible
faulks is a steal, theirs are average
if we want to make faulks the new normal, probably every defenseman in the league is overpaid, but thats obviously nonsense
Roboturner913
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We are stupid lucky with Faulk. At $6 million cap hit he'd be a bargain. At $4.8 million cap hit it's a damn steal.
The flipside of it is, when his next contract comes up, he's going to want to get PAID for reals and he's still only going to be 28 years old at that point.
The flipside of it is, when his next contract comes up, he's going to want to get PAID for reals and he's still only going to be 28 years old at that point.
Except for Faulk sucks and his hsca is AHL caliber and we should kill him for the insurance money. Malone tried, but obviously not hard enough.
Did you know that simply having Justin Faulk on our team means that the Canes would also have to have the nine top scorers in the NHL (yes, all of them) just to secure a wildcard spot?
These are facts.
Don't even get me started on their annual Cap Floor antics.
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I think it's hilarious how we get super defensive when fans of other teams pan the contracts given to valuable Hurricanes players, yet are so quick to do likewise when we view the contracts given to valuable players on other teams. The best indicator of the value of the contract is how their fans view it...they'll be the first to hate it if it's out of line.
sheriff bart
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I think we are seeing just how valuable the NHL front offices are currently viewing defensemen. If they have a competent one that doesn't crap the bed regularly, they want to hang onto them. I mean, look at the Hall/Larsson trade. Everybody says that the Oilers got fleeced, but what is the going rate on defensemen these days?
It's still early enough that my coffee may not have fully kicked in, so this may make no sense.
It's still early enough that my coffee may not have fully kicked in, so this may make no sense.
bleedgreen
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Also, what's the cost of replacing a guy if you let him go? If you thought DeKeyser was only worth 3-4, who are you going to get to replace him at that 3-4 million? I highly doubt someone at the same level, and not at the same age you know you've got locked up for six years.
Or super defensive about "insulting" trade proposals involving Canes' players and how the bad ones amount to disrespecting our collective hockey IQ.
NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
Frankly, and this is just my opinion, he's no where near the player Faulk is. DeKeyser is a very erratic possession player. He had a terrible relative Corsi last season and for his career he's a -3.2. Faulk's overall possession metrics are significantly better.
He averages less than 30 points a season. He is a good shot blocker, however but his takeawy/giveaway numbers are pedestrian at best. Faulk is a much better scorer and significantly better in the takeaway arena.
So while I think we all know that Faulk is much better player and significantly better value than Dekeyser, it is futile to try and compare these deals.
I don't hate him but I think he's a million overpaid and not because Faulk is so underpaid, but because I think he's merely a solid player, not a $5 million player. But that's just one man's opinion...
All message boards are simply a debate club for adults. Sports message boards are debate clubs founded in tribalism. Complaining about discourse is absurd.
It's the dead of the offseason. Good luck finding rich conversation about something meaningful.
It's the dead of the offseason. Good luck finding rich conversation about something meaningful.
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I mean complaining about a generalized, nonspecific, global, secondary discourse. Such as walking by two people at a political convention debating politics and saying "omg you two are so dumb because you debate politics". It isn't ironic for them to turn to the person and say "bro, this is a political convention, saying we are dumb for debating politics is an absurdity". My stating of facts is corrective discourse to secondary discourse which makes it primary discourse which is just fine. It's all very straight-forward.
This is a "News and Notes" thread. The only thing that belongs here is discussion about hCanes news and an abundance of sophisticated sarcasm.
And no, I'm not serious and don't actually care.
Ole Gil
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The 'joke' doesn't work if you put any thought into it. Why are you ruining all our fun?
bleedgreen
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Here's where I think metrics fail. New coach, new system, possession numbers are affected by chemistry and things not shown. Just because he had a mediocre fancy star year doesn't mean anything in terms of what he can do with the puck. His passing options are limited to how well the forwards move to get open and what lanes they choose. He's a very solid passer, he needs good targets. Using these stats to define him vs Faulk does nothing for me. DeKeyser is a more mobile skater and I think a better defensive defenseman than Faulk, though he lacks the shot which takes away his offensive impact. He is a two way guy but he definitely tends to worry more about his d. These things don't really show in the stats imo.
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NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
All good points Bleed and I haven't see a ton of DeKeyser. I think he's a fairly good defender and he can get the puck out of his zone. But I've also seen him get trapped in his zone and get stripped of the puck pretty easily in transition. BTW, those stat numbers were career not just last year (where he was even worse). I think I'm one of the few who think Faulk's a much better defender than he's given credit for.
But regardless, we're arguing over $1 million. You think he's worth the extra dollars for some valid reasons and I think he's not for equally valid reasons. It doesn't mean that I think he's a turd in his own zone. It means that we disagree on extent.
Given the dynamic of teammates, circumstances, game situation, etc., the whole notion of boiling the stat down to "his possession numbers" for any player has always struck me as a misnomer.
bleedgreen
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Fair enough. No point beating it to death. I have no actual emotion to it. I don't understand the overall negative league wide fan disagreement about this particular deal, and am just throwing my two cents in.
sheriff bart
Where are the white women at
Never forget. You can't put a price tag on intangibles. Once I figure out what they are, I'll get back with you.
the halleJOKEL
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Finnish Jerk Train
lol stupid mickey mouse organization
that makes me tingly
also i read ur tweeter and feel less embarrassed about my hcanes memorabilia collection. im going to wait for my wife to go out of town one day and then put it all up in the bonus room so that i can beg for forgiveness instead of permission
im also going to paint the room black and red
also i read ur tweeter and feel less embarrassed about my hcanes memorabilia collection. im going to wait for my wife to go out of town one day and then put it all up in the bonus room so that i can beg for forgiveness instead of permission
im also going to paint the room black and red
the halleJOKEL
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i didnt even tweet all, or even most of it...
i started getting tired and bored of taking pictures instead of figuring out where to shove all the random stuff i was finding
i started getting tired and bored of taking pictures instead of figuring out where to shove all the random stuff i was finding
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