New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Dion TheFluff]

Yeah don’t we have leverage on Sammy. He’s an RFA. He can take the QO or not play correct?

I would assume it'd be better to stay on good terms with him considering he can just walk next year no?

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[saffronleaf]

when does newgm start in his role?

 

[fahad203]

Evan Rodriguez is off the board. Solid player, solid contract. Great pick up for Florida
He's a pain in the ass to play with.

I would have given him the 3 million per year for 4 years instead of Kampf. Evan will get you 15-20 goals per year. That's 4x the production of Kampf

Why some people here are crazy about David Kampf I'll never know.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nope and yet they landed $4 million.

Tie will make sure his boy gets closer to $5 million a season.

You know Chicago needed to hit the cap floor and put a premium on their veteran leadership right?

Coupled with the fact this is the first time Max has hit 20 goals in like 4-5 years, ditto breaking 50 pts, odds are he will not repeat.

 

[Eye Test]

Want nothing to do with Bertuzzi the melon head. Domi at the right price is a decent replacement for Bunting.

The team is worse today, how anyone can give us anything about an F is scary. I blame Tre, but man of man Dubas sure left a complete mess, the apex of his mistakes coming to roost. Murray is an albatross, we have zero wiggle room, the farm is empty and we had no picks.

Still time, but this isn’t a cup contender anymore, not a serious one anyways. Now brace ourselves for overpays on our two spoiled UFA’s.

I honestly don’t like this team right now, it’s the bizarre allegiance to the crest that keeps semi invested atm.

I think Most of the fans don’t like this team or their personalities. Enjoyed watching us tank more than these clowns playing soft perimeter hockey. Even the games we win are pretty boring. Sigh maybe it’s just hockey in general but all the other major sports have progressed and hockey’s progress is actually regression.

Hope we play as a team moving forward.

 

[leafan11]

Begs the question.

If Dubas were still here would he have given Dman Ryan Graves a

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instead of Klingberg

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He just gave goalie Tristan Jarry a

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Would that have been the contract that what he would have re-signed Ilya Samsonov?

Sammy was so much better than Jarry by all goalie metrics.

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Is Samsonov going to ask Leafs for the Jarry deal now?

Jarry was a UFA Samsonov is a RFA. Big difference

 

[fahad203]

You know Chicago needed to hit the cap floor and put a premium on their veteran leadership right?

Coupled with the fact this is the first time Max has hit 20 goals in like 4-5 years, ditto breaking 50 pts, odds are he will not repeat.

If you are referring to Perry. He'll also get dumped in tradeline for a 2nd
Good asset management. 4 Million means nothing for Chicago right now. They'll also have to hit the floor as you mentioned

 

[Mitch nylander]

Not sure if this was stated but:

Erik Kallgren to the Devils
Mac Hollowell to the Rangers
Marc Johnstone to the Penguins
Radim Zahorna to the Penguins
Noel Hoefenmeyer to the Oilers

 

[Mess]

Teams can go over the cap during the offseason. They have plenty of time to move out some pieces if that trade happens.

That is true .. there is a 10% slush fund of $8.35 mil that teams can use in the offseason.

However better have a pretty good exit strategy to become cap complaint to start the new year if you overspend the cap in this manner.

Its intention originally was to re-sign your own RFAs and those prices unknown, so when you qualify an RFA to keep his rights you also count that qualified amount against your teams cap at the same time.

ie Leafs qualified Samasonov at his former salary of $1.8 mil to retain him so that amount is already being counted against the Leafs offseason cap for example and essentially a part of that 10% overage slush fund.

 

[fahad203]

Not sure if this was stated but:

Erik Kallgren to the Devils
Mac Hollowell to the Rangers
Marc Johnstone to the Penguins
Radim Zahorna to the Penguins
Noel Hoefenmeyer to the Oilers

I hope they have a video tribute for Kallgren if he plays against us

Say what you want, that one year where he played some meaningful games for us and kept us in many of them. It's not his fault we asked him to go above and beyond. He was a 3rd string goalie in AHL asked to be a daily starter for the leafs because we had no back up

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Evan Rodriguez is off the board. Solid player, solid contract. Great pick up for Florida
He's a pain in the ass to play with.

I would have given him the 3 million per year for 4 years instead of Kampf. Evan will get you 15-20 goals per year. That's 4x the production of Kampf

Why some people here are crazy about David Kampf I'll never know.

You or can’t assume a player would have taken the same contract to play for the Leafs. Maybe he wants to live on a beach , pay no taxes , on a team that just went to the Finals

 

[SprDaVE]

Here are the forwards I'd be looking at:

• Max Domi | Aggressive, fiesty forward who just came off a 56 point season.
• Mason Shaw | Tenacious hardworking forward who can skate. Competitive for his size.
• Max Comtois | Bigger guy who can skate, good reclamation project.
• Pius Suter | A versatile guy can skate. Was good with AM34 in Switzerland.
• Zach Sanford | Big 6"4 frame who plays a heavy game, Obviously, needs to bounce back, but if doesn't he can be buried to give the Marlies AHL depth.
• Andreas Johnsson | Competitive guy who skates well. If he can bounce back you've got a top 9 forward, if not a top 6 ahler.

I'd sign Max Domi + 1 of Shaw/Comtois/Suter + 1 of the reclamation projects that can be buried.

Good list. Not sure Johnsson fits all that much based on need but if he's willing to take a cheap 1 year deal, he would be good to bring into camp for competition and depth.

I think Noah Gregor would be a more interesting option though.

 

[tmlfan98]

"The remaining top free agent crop, led by Tyler Bertuzzi, Matt Dumba, Vladimir Tarasenko and Max Domi, are expected to find homes at some point Sunday, though there are no guarantees.

Bertuzzi is believed to be looking for a deal between five-to-seven years and north of $5 million per season. The Florida Panthers, who may be exploring the trade market on Sam Reinhart in order to free up some more cap space, are among the teams in the mix.

The Toronto Maple Leafs, Nashville Predators and Calgary Flames are some of the teams still pursuing Domi, who is looking for a well-deserved raise from the $3 million he made last season on a multi-year deal."

 

[fahad203]

You or can’t assume a player would have taken the same contract to play for the Leafs. Maybe he wants to live on a beach , pay no taxes , on a team that just went to the Finals

Sure. Absolutely. But that arguement can be made for any player or any scenarios
He lived in Colorado, so I take it he's used to winter. I do from time to time forget he's from Etobicoke, Toronto. Maybe he would have loved to come home and play for his childhood team

Who knows. But the fact remains the same. Did we even contacted his party and guage his interest?

As much as assumption you can make about him not being here, we can make the same other way around

 

[kb]

Jarry was a UFA Samsonov is a RFA. Big difference

Don't confuse him, or we will have to put up a long rambling post full of screenshots that don't matter.

Leafs have the leverage with Samsonov, and I believe they are going to arbitration to trigger the second buyout window if necessary.

 

[BallardEra]

You know Chicago needed to hit the cap floor and put a premium on their veteran leadership right?

Coupled with the fact this is the first time Max has hit 20 goals in like 4-5 years, ditto breaking 50 pts, odds are he will not repeat.

Agree on all counts but that won't stop some team from giving him $5 million per.

 

[Mess]

Jarry was a UFA Samsonov is a RFA. Big difference

True but it didn't seem to matter for the Marner and Matthews contracts the majority of which are 4 X RFA years and then CH% is all that counted.

However despite the Leafs team having more control, wouldn't Samsonov's agent be using Sammy's SV% & GA/G and Goals saved above expected in his contract talks also and show how that compares against the goalie market overall?

If Sammy posted the 10th best Goals Saved above expected in the entire NHL last year isn't that leverage for him in current contract talks regardless of status?

So an unrestricted free agent with far worse stats is entitled to far greater pay simply because he is unrestricted and its what the market will pay?

NYI just re-signed RFA Ilya Sorokin to a new contract for $8.25 mil X 8 and his stats are similar to Sammy.

Should Sammy use that instead comparing RFA to RFA and similar ages, same first names, with similar Wins, SV% and GA/G?.

If Sammy takes the Leafs to arbitration then won't those #'s come into play for the 3rd party judge to decide his next salary so its not like he doesn't have rights as an RFA?

PS. I would imagine that keeping Murray and not overspending in UFA season must be in part connected to Samsonov's next contract uncertainty.

 

[Fogelhund]

Top goal scorers from last year, who are still available.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Top goal scorers from last year, who are still available.

I heard this Bergeron player is good let’s sign him.

 

[notbias]

True but it didn't seem to matter for the Marner and Matthews contracts the majority of which are RFA years.

However despite the Leafs team having more control, wouldn't Samsonov's agent be using Sammy's SV% & GA/G and Goals saved above expected in his contract talks also and show how that compares against the goalie market overall?

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If Sammy posted the 10th best Goals Saved above expected in the entire NHL last year isn't that leverage for him in current contract talks?

So an unresticted free agent with far worse stats is entitled to far greater pay simply because he is unrestricted and its what the market will pay?

By your one-year sample size Samsanov is better than Vasi, may as well use him as the contract comparable.

 

[The Podium]

True but it didn't seem to matter for the Marner and Matthews contracts the majority of which are RFA years.

However despite the Leafs team having more control, wouldn't Samsonov's agent be using Sammy's SV% & GA/G and Goals saved above expected in his contract talks also and show how that compares against the goalie market overall?

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If Sammy posted the 10th best Goals Saved above expected in the entire NHL last year isn't that leverage for him in current contract talks?

So an unresticted free agent with far worse stats is entitled to far greater pay simply because he is unrestricted and its what the market will pay?

Remember last off-season when you thought the Leafs goaltending was a disaster…

 

[LeafChief]

Remember last off-season when you thought the Leafs goaltending was a disaster…

Last off-season? He filled the goalie thread with nonsense and drivel right through the entire season. The only few days we didn't have to hear from him were the few days after the Leafs won round 1.

Weird, right?

 

[Clark4Ever]

Domi will want 4-5 million per. Don't see the Leafs giving him that.

I think there's a chance that Domi would take a bit less to play here for emotional reasons and to raise his profile before his next UFA contract. It's worked for almost every player that has left Toronto to sign a UFA contract elsewhere.

 

[Mad hatter]

Evan Rodriguez is off the board. Solid player, solid contract. Great pick up for Florida
He's a pain in the ass to play with.

I would have given him the 3 million per year for 4 years instead of Kampf. Evan will get you 15-20 goals per year. That's 4x the production of Kampf

Why some people here are crazy about David Kampf I'll never know.

I agree definitely that Rodriguez is a better player than Kamph and would have been a great pickup. Unfortunately $3 million in Florida is a lot more than $3 million in Toronto. This is where the NHL really needs to come up with cap adjustments to allow high tax markets to compete with no tax markets better imho. If players in Toronto have to pay 20% more tax then in Florida then leafs should be allowed to offer the difference without it going on the cap. Low or no tax markets have an advantage which defeats the purpose of the cap in the first place.