Speculation: Nemec not happy with the Devils?

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the retention isn't happening on Buchnevich for 6+ years

In a world where it did happen there would also not be an extra 2d round pick on top of it

The second proposal zero interest, in part because we don't even have Jake Evans, which is an issue there. But the second proposal is just selling (wait, also 50% retained? holy shit!) Buch for like the 15th overall pick which has zilch interest on our side. No interest in Mailloux or Haula.
I can understand the lack of interest in the trade but to be clear, it's not 2 proposals. It's a 2-way trade and it's the Habs that retain the salary.

Also the retention is only on this year because it's the last year of his contract. You can't retain salary on 2 different contracts.
 
Nemec knew exactly what he was saying. It would be silly to think his own countrymen media will not act as a messenger for him to help his cause when they have no stake in the NHL and full stake in him. It probably was even pre-coordinated by his agent or him. Let's not pretend it's just "open European native interview" and he was only answering a question. That's the way it works if you are invested into.

His attitude has been spotty from the whole getgo this season. He got injured precamp, played like dogshit and got outplayed by a 7th defenseman (although the 7th defenseman is playing more like a 1st or 2nd pairing guy somehow, so some bad luck for Nemec but he was still outplayed)

He has been playing great in the AHL as of recent, but it didn't start out that way. So either his injury healed, or he got his head outta the sulk mode, or he got a talk from his agent and was told the only way out of this is to play hard so other teams can look at you as a possible trade piece, or lucrative to NJD again. Maybe all of the above.

He may even want to stay with NJ but is just throwing the stone out there from his friendly country media to relay a message to his bosses indirectly.

I liked him last year, but at same time, don't want to deal with an entitled kid if that is the case.

Going to have to push back on this narrative particularly after I Google translated the whole interview.

He’s frustrated, which is understandable, but I don’t see him as being entitled. The reporter brings up a trade request and him being 2OA not in the NHL. Saying a 20 year old kid is pulling the strings instead of answering questions is a weird take.

Yes, the reporter doesn’t care about the Devils, and is focused on Nemec, because that’s what his home country readers care about. It doesn’t make him Nemec’s mouthpiece. Slovakians only has two lottery picks, they want both to be a NHL stars.

Nemec’s asked 25 questions and 9 of them are about other Slovakian players.

Here’s a synopsis of the 16 other questions, with some choice Google Translate quotes.

*A few key quotes were translated by a Slovak reporter, which are in italics, opposed to the slop Frankenstein SP non-quote used in this thread.

#1: Q: Roughly, how are you feeling?
A: “I’ve gone through the toughest period of my career. It’s over now, and I’m playing my hockey again.”*

#2: Q: Asks about his recent 3 point game.
A: Basically the same as the last.

#3 Q: You started in the NHL, then sat and then were sent to Utica. Do you know why they made such a decision?
A: “It was not an optimal situation from either side. I sat out too many games, they didn't want me to not play, so they sent me down.” Wasn’t thrilled but got over it.

#4: Q: What helps? (Unclear about this one.)
A: Talks about girlfriend.

#5 Q: More specifically, what do you have to work on the most?
A: Team is focused on his defense.

#6 Q: What is your role in Utica?
A: he’s playing big minutes, extremely satisfied with that. Mentions getting to play in OT because Casey was out. [Probably was memorable because he got an assist on the OT goal.]

#7 Q: Both you and Casey are offensive defenders, how do you work together?
A: Normally, as with every teammate, not a rivalry, everyone wants to improve, not competing.

#8 Q: Was the transition to the AHL more difficult because the Comets were a last place team?
A: “Yes, I came to the team that didn't win anything. Everyone was frustrated, it didn't help me. I had to get out of it myself. However, we have already won a few matches, that's all better."

#9 Q: How did you deal with the frustration of being sent down?
A: Focus on self, don’t think about the situation and play.

#10 Q: Your draft rival David Jincek asked Columbus for a trade and in the end they traded him to Minnesota. Didn't you have a similar ambition?
A: “It’s hard to say, it’s still too early to request a trade. If this situation continues, it will have to be addressed, but for now, this is how it stands.”*

#11 Q: Did you discuss the situation with Devils GM Tom Fitzgerald?
A: “Yes, and he told me that he didn't want me to sit in the stands in the NHL, but that he would rather go play in the AHL. Everyone knows that it is not an easy league. No one even expected that I would come there and have two points per match. He told me that I should improve and then I’ll see you."

#12 Q: The New Jersey defense is loaded with expensive contracts and an opening with only happen when *something*. What do you say to that?
A: Google Translate: “A few times I proved that I belong to NHL, but I try not to think about it. I take it as it is. I believe when the dream comes, I'll catch it."
vs
Slovak writer: “I believe I've proven multiple times that I belong in the NHL. I just have to wait for another chance and grab it when it comes."*

#13 Q: Did Devils coach Sheldon Keefe and his assistants tell you anything?
A: Assistants helped when he was frustrated, particularly in morning skates. “It was frustrating when you have to watch your teammates, how they play and you can't jump in”.

#14 Q: Are set to play as an offensive defenseman or are you considering a more defensive style?
A: "I wouldn't say I'm an ultra-offensive defenseman. I'd love to have a balanced role in the NHL - playing both offensively and defensively. That's what suits me best.”*

#15 Q: “Did you also learn from the fact that the professional league is a business when the club does not even have a number two draft pick?”
A: “It's business, but on the other hand, I can't remember which draft that number two went to the farm for the third year. Devils did well, I have to wait even if it's not the most optimal."

#16 Q: Were you looking for motivation on the farm?
A: “I don't want to say that I would be depressed. The motivation is the desire to get back to the NHL. The first the matches were good, but then came the frustration. I don't even remember when I had so many chances to score and I didn't take any of them. Looks like it's hard when you go a level lower, but the farming league is really hard.”
"Sometimes it feels like NHL games were easier compared to AHL. The farm league is really tough, with grinding, battling."*
 
I can understand the lack of interest in the trade but to be clear, it's not 2 proposals. It's a 2-way trade and it's the Habs that retain the salary.

Also the retention is only on this year because it's the last year of his contract. You can't retain salary on 2 different contracts.
are you offering Nemec for Buch 50% for just this season?

I wouldn't add a 2d round pick in general, but in particular the Blues 2025 2d round pick went to EDM for Broberg, the 2026 2d round pick went to Pittsburgh (originally the 2025 pick went to Pit for Hayes then we had to reacquire it to give to Edmonton), and the 2027 2d round pick went for Fowler
 
are you offering Nemec for Buch 50% for just this season?

I wouldn't add a 2d round pick in general, but in particular the Blues 2025 2d round pick went to EDM for Broberg, the 2026 2d round pick went to Pittsburgh (originally the 2025 pick went to Pit for Hayes then we had to reacquire it to give to Edmonton), and the 2027 2d round pick went for Fowler
The 2nd is coming from the Devils.
 
Sure, your perception just somehow does not correspond with any level of data.

Nemec was better in almost every aspect of D game last season. He was playing PP2, SH2, had better +/-, Even-strenght points per 60, less giveaways more blocks, etc. On the other hand Hughes was getting PP1 minutes and more Ozone starts related to that. Nemec was literally a way better defenseman than Luke Hughes last year.
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Go ahead and tell me Luke's +/- at 5v5. Then tell me it without Brendan Smith.

They aren't remotely comparable players.

Well, that is what I am talking about. Nemec was a better D last season, but the message from management in the off-season was the opposite. They trust Hughes and they will give him a chance, but they did not trust Nemec. Hamilton was coming back from injury, they signed Pesce and traded for Kovacevic which basically said you will be 3RD without any PP time and in case something goes wrong we have an insurance in Kovacevic. Two totally different messages and obviously nobody likes double standard treatment.
They gave Nemec a chance, he was probably the worst dman in the league this year.
 
Jiricek didn't just get a 1st, guys. It was a 1st, 2nd , 3rd, and Daemon Hunt, a young prospect who will play in the NHL- he probably has the value of another 2nd rounder. So, Nemec should get the equivalent of at least one late 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd at the very least.

I also have no problem with Nemec speaking out a bit. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if he doesn't play well enough to earn a spot.
 
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Of course, he is not happy:
- He was sent to AHL in his first year which was a great development from Devils as he was able to adjust to NA and slowly improve his D play
- He had strong rookie season last year where he clearly demonstrated top 4 potential
- Instead of showing him some trust, Devils signed two RHD vets
- I understand it was a coinsidence of his small injury and great play by Kovacevic, but all of a sudden he was back in Utica, The is the last place he wanted to be.
- Last, but not least, he is losing a lot of money now, Not only playing outside NHL, but what would be his next contract? If he has a good next season he might get 2x2M bridge deal, if he had 3 season under his belt he would be looking for 3.5M similar to Siegenthaler AAV. That is literally 3M lost, because of decisions made by Devils management.
Agree with all but as a 2nd overall pick, if he has a great year next year he can command a big raise immediately. Assuming they keep him, one of the big tests for Fitzgerald is how to keep Nemec happy after they almost certainly pay Luke Hughes long-term this summer based partly on play but big time on potential. There will be clear inevitable favoritism for Jack's brother.

Go ahead and tell me Luke's +/- at 5v5. Then tell me it without Brendan Smith.

They aren't remotely comparable players.


They gave Nemec a chance, he was probably the worst dman in the league this year.
You gotta stop dude or take it back to the Devils board. You are basically hijacking this thread for some weird personal agenda against Nemec. And it just gives fuel to the fire for other team's fans to come in with lowball offers.

I mean at the end of the day it's not like HFBoards talk will affect what GMs actually do, but this crusade would be better off on the Devils board.
 
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That's not the way you answer that question. It's a really crappy, selfish response that puts the GM and coaching staff on the spot. This, after reports of him pouting after being sent down. You don't see this from Casey.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being in the AHL. He was hot ****ing garbage on the devils this year.

This is an absolutely unacceptable level of entitlement. I think the Devils should actively be shopping him, don't need this sort of attitude in the organization.

Huge mistake taking him over Cooley.
As someone who is fluent in Slovak (I´m native speaker), the quote here isn´t something Nemec explicitly said (Spittin Chiclets combined several of his statements from the entire interview into one answer). It was kinda diplomatic answer, I wouldn´t be upset about him for that. Basically, when asked about Jiricek, he said something like "Hard to say, it is still fresh situation. If the situation will continue, it will be adressed, but now it is how it is." Later in the interview Nemec literally said "I have to wait, be patient with it. Devils are playing good (hockey), be better (with his performance, he wants to put up extra work to get a spot in the NHL roster), even though it is not ideal situation"
 
He has a point. I know devs fans believe hes still bound to be a stud but it is really odd that he couldnt beat out a near league minimum dman for bottom pair minutes and that the devs felt obligated to sign vets in his place to block him.

I dont think his value is anywhere near where devils fans believe it is. Value is probably in the Kakko ballpark which if borgen is flipped for a 2nd is roughly a 2nd, 3rd and 6th


Idiotic take, it took Kakko 6 seasons to reach that level, but Nemec gets there in three less seasons?
 
Agree with all but as a 2nd overall pick, if he has a great year next year he can command a big raise immediately. Assuming they keep him, one of the big tests for Fitzgerald is how to keep Nemec happy after they almost certainly pay Luke Hughes long-term this summer based partly on play but big time on potential. There will be clear inevitable favoritism for Jack's brother.
Agree, decision will be made in the summer I guess, unless they pack Nemec into some huge trade. If Fitz can trade Hamilton, this would give chance to Nemec. The relationship definitely not very good and in the end this could end up like Broberg when player did not like the treatment and accepted offer sheet.
 
Ok ok look at this :

Habs out :

Habs or Calgary 2025 1st (worst of the 2)
Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux

NJ Out :

Nemec
Haula
2025 2nd round picks (worst of the 3)

St-Louis out :

Buchnevich

Habs in :

Nemec
50% of Buchnevich actual contract (2,9 M$)
2025 2nd round


NJ in :

Jake Evans
Buchnevich (50%)

St_louis in :

Habs or Cgy 1st (worst of the 2)
Mailloux
Érik Haula
This is horrendous for St Louis, we are giving up Buch and not even getting Nemec back?
 
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Cooley had 44.

-Cooley has keller on his wing and has played in a better team than Slaffy.
-Slaffy hasnt played enough consistent minutes with Suzi + Caufield
-Big guys take longer to develop. You always take a good big guy over a good small guy.


Slaffy has been fine, and when its all said and done will have a better career than Cooley. Although, Cooley is a fine player and is on track to be a #1 Center.
Cooley does not normally have Keller on his wing. His linemates have been mostly Guenther and Jack McBain.

Guenther is injured atm.

And explain how, if Cooley is on track to be a #1 C, Slavkovsky will have a better career?
 
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Going to have to push back on this narrative particularly after I Google translated the whole interview.

He’s frustrated, which is understandable, but I don’t see him as being entitled. The reporter brings up a trade request and him being 2OA not in the NHL. Saying a 20 year old kid is pulling the strings instead of answering questions is a weird take.

Yes, the reporter doesn’t care about the Devils, and is focused on Nemec, because that’s what his home country readers care about. It doesn’t make him Nemec’s mouthpiece. Slovakians only has two lottery picks, they want both to be a NHL stars.

Nemec’s asked 25 questions and 9 of them are about other Slovakian players.

Here’s a synopsis of the 16 other questions, with some choice Google Translate quotes.

*A few key quotes were translated by a Slovak reporter, which are in italics, opposed to the slop Frankenstein SP non-quote used in this thread.

#1: Q: Roughly, how are you feeling?
A: “I’ve gone through the toughest period of my career. It’s over now, and I’m playing my hockey again.”*

#2: Q: Asks about his recent 3 point game.
A: Basically the same as the last.

#3 Q: You started in the NHL, then sat and then were sent to Utica. Do you know why they made such a decision?
A: “It was not an optimal situation from either side. I sat out too many games, they didn't want me to not play, so they sent me down.” Wasn’t thrilled but got over it.

#4: Q: What helps? (Unclear about this one.)
A: Talks about girlfriend.

#5 Q: More specifically, what do you have to work on the most?
A: Team is focused on his defense.

#6 Q: What is your role in Utica?
A: he’s playing big minutes, extremely satisfied with that. Mentions getting to play in OT because Casey was out. [Probably was memorable because he got an assist on the OT goal.]

#7 Q: Both you and Casey are offensive defenders, how do you work together?
A: Normally, as with every teammate, not a rivalry, everyone wants to improve, not competing.

#8 Q: Was the transition to the AHL more difficult because the Comets were a last place team?
A: “Yes, I came to the team that didn't win anything. Everyone was frustrated, it didn't help me. I had to get out of it myself. However, we have already won a few matches, that's all better."

#9 Q: How did you deal with the frustration of being sent down?
A: Focus on self, don’t think about the situation and play.

#10 Q: Your draft rival David Jincek asked Columbus for a trade and in the end they traded him to Minnesota. Didn't you have a similar ambition?
A: “It’s hard to say, it’s still too early to request a trade. If this situation continues, it will have to be addressed, but for now, this is how it stands.”*

#11 Q: Did you discuss the situation with Devils GM Tom Fitzgerald?
A: “Yes, and he told me that he didn't want me to sit in the stands in the NHL, but that he would rather go play in the AHL. Everyone knows that it is not an easy league. No one even expected that I would come there and have two points per match. He told me that I should improve and then I’ll see you."

#12 Q: The New Jersey defense is loaded with expensive contracts and an opening with only happen when *something*. What do you say to that?
A: Google Translate: “A few times I proved that I belong to NHL, but I try not to think about it. I take it as it is. I believe when the dream comes, I'll catch it."
vs
Slovak writer: “I believe I've proven multiple times that I belong in the NHL. I just have to wait for another chance and grab it when it comes."*

#13 Q: Did Devils coach Sheldon Keefe and his assistants tell you anything?
A: Assistants helped when he was frustrated, particularly in morning skates. “It was frustrating when you have to watch your teammates, how they play and you can't jump in”.

#14 Q: Are set to play as an offensive defenseman or are you considering a more defensive style?
A: "I wouldn't say I'm an ultra-offensive defenseman. I'd love to have a balanced role in the NHL - playing both offensively and defensively. That's what suits me best.”*

#15 Q: “Did you also learn from the fact that the professional league is a business when the club does not even have a number two draft pick?”
A: “It's business, but on the other hand, I can't remember which draft that number two went to the farm for the third year. Devils did well, I have to wait even if it's not the most optimal."

#16 Q: Were you looking for motivation on the farm?
A: “I don't want to say that I would be depressed. The motivation is the desire to get back to the NHL. The first the matches were good, but then came the frustration. I don't even remember when I had so many chances to score and I didn't take any of them. Looks like it's hard when you go a level lower, but the farming league is really hard.”
"Sometimes it feels like NHL games were easier compared to AHL. The farm league is really tough, with grinding, battling."*

I don't think it's a particularly weird take. He's not pulling the strings, but he'd be definitely been advised by his agent how to handle a situation he is in.

Country media, connections for the reporter and agent/player is the simple soft skills relations that's in any job of that nature (player agent/media press). Reporting is all about sources and connections and optics, so you would have to bet they talk,off the record, prior to, and have interviews planned out (at least at an agent level). Particularly because it's the narrow band of Slovakian media and he is a focal point of their hockey future. I'm sure they aren't being paid to draw out an interview that his agent wouldn't be super supportive about how it played out.


They really following him deeply in Utica and popoff a 16 question interview at random?

Getting info out via media is how it often goes, standard playbook, if you don't want direct channel communication confrontation.

I don't see how him being 20 years old makes him not in the know. He's professionally represented and presumed advised by his agent on important matters to himself.

Maybe it's a translation issue, the wording, who knows but my point is, an interview like that isn't a random thing, it's all planned out by his agent or himself to sit aside and answer a litany of questions for publish. Not unheard of to have the questions beforehand either.
 
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This would work for both teams both short AND long term:

To New Jersey: Brock Boeser (extension 7 years $6.875/year), Hoglander, Kunz, 2025 5th round pick, 2027 6th round pick

To Vancouver: Nemec, Hameenacho, 2025 2nd, 2027 3rd
how does it help the Devils to trade an unrealistic haul for Brock Boeser as a rental and a bunch of worthless pieces?
 
This would work for both teams both short AND long term:

To New Jersey: Brock Boeser (extension 7 years $6.875/year), Hoglander, Kunz, 2025 5th round pick, 2027 6th round pick

To Vancouver: Nemec, Hameenacho, 2025 2nd, 2027 3rd

Well, at least that would work for ONE team.
 
Cooley does not normally have Keller on his wing. His linemates have been mostly Guenther and Jack McBain.

Guenther is injured atm.

And explain how, if Cooley is on track to be a #1 C, Slavkovsky will have a better career?
Because Slavkovsky plays for his favorite team
 
Ok ok look at this :

Habs out :

Habs or Calgary 2025 1st (worst of the 2)
Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux

NJ Out :

Nemec
Haula
2025 2nd round picks (worst of the 3)

St-Louis out :

Buchnevich

Habs in :

Nemec
50% of Buchnevich actual contract (2,9 M$)
2025 2nd round


NJ in :

Jake Evans
Buchnevich (50%)

St_louis in :

Habs or Cgy 1st (worst of the 2)
Mailloux
Érik Haula
Glad to hear MTL will be eating 27 million dollars of retention.

NJD and STL accept

I can understand the lack of interest in the trade but to be clear, it's not 2 proposals. It's a 2-way trade and it's the Habs that retain the salary.

Also the retention is only on this year because it's the last year of his contract. You can't retain salary on 2 different contracts.
If a player has an extension retention covers the extension as well
 
Cooley does not normally have Keller on his wing. His linemates have been mostly Guenther and Jack McBain.

Guenther is injured atm.

And explain how, if Cooley is on track to be a #1 C, Slavkovsky will have a better career?

simply:

low end no 1

slaffy high end power fwd.

Lets get back on topic. Nemec wants out. Devils blew a 2OA pick....
 
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