Nazem Kadri - Part 3

[bleed_oil]

I think Kadri has found his niche in the NHL, this is an excellent #2C that can supply secondary scoring, while playing with an edge, be an agitating Center that can score 65 points a year. If he can tighten up his defensive play, improve his face-offs, and improve his strength especially down low, he will be a valuable piece to this team. I don't see him being a #1 franchise C though, there are so few players in the ilk of Tavares, Getzlaf, Toews variety.

His best slot is where he is playing right now, providing offence against second pairing D men, it's when he faces top defensive pairings he struggles.

So the question is what does he want in terms of a long term salary. 4.5M per to stay a Leaf? If he accepts this, we can keep him. He should slot just behind Bozak and JVR or just about there in terms of value to the team. But is is unlikely he will accept this. So we will see where it goes in 2 summers.

have you ever written a post that is'nt like this one? It saysa lot about Kadri, but its actually entirely about Bozak from beginning to end. This is a cut and paste on your posts last year to get rid of Grabovski.
BTW Bozak turns 28 in March. In 2 summers Bozak will be 30 going on 31, he can barely play at this level right now. Lets see what happens between him and naz in 2 years...

 

[leafers]

I think Kadri has found his niche in the NHL, this is an excellent #2C that can supply secondary scoring, while playing with an edge, be an agitating Center that can score 65 points a year. If he can tighten up his defensive play, improve his face-offs, and improve his strength especially down low, he will be a valuable piece to this team. I don't see him being a #1 franchise C though, there are so few players in the ilk of Tavares, Getzlaf, Toews variety.

His best slot is where he is playing right now, providing offence against second pairing D men, it's when he faces top defensive pairings he struggles.

So the question is what does he want in terms of a long term salary. 4.5M per to stay a Leaf? If he accepts this, we can keep him. He should slot just behind Bozak and JVR or just about there in terms of value to the team. But is is unlikely he will accept this. So we will see where it goes in 2 summers.

Those are the improvements that can make him reach #1 center level.
You are selling him short for your boy Bozak.

 

[ULF_55]

I think Kadri has found his niche in the NHL, this is an excellent #2C that can supply secondary scoring, while playing with an edge, be an agitating Center that can score 65 points a year. If he can tighten up his defensive play, improve his face-offs, and improve his strength especially down low, he will be a valuable piece to this team. I don't see him being a #1 franchise C though, there are so few players in the ilk of Tavares, Getzlaf, Toews variety.

His best slot is where he is playing right now, providing offence against second pairing D men, it's when he faces top defensive pairings he struggles.

So the question is what does he want in terms of a long term salary. 4.5M per to stay a Leaf? If he accepts this, we can keep him. He should slot just behind Bozak and JVR or just about there in terms of value to the team. But is is unlikely he will accept this. So we will see where it goes in 2 summers.

I agree.

Kadri looks very comfortable right now.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I agree.

Kadri looks very comfortable right now.

Agreed, much more comfortable than when he played with Kessel and JVR.

 

[bleed_oil]

Agreed, much more comfortable than when he played with Kessel and JVR.

Kadri needs to carry the puck, so does Kessel. I would agree that they are best seperated.
But why the whole "Kadri needs to be moved" angle. Do you not admit its relatedto your Bozak obsession?

 

[Vexed]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m
Emmerton (DET) clears; Street (CAL) on waivers. As far as I can tell, no supplemental discipline for Kadri.

 

[Faltorvo]

Kadri coughed the puck up, fell down, and had a fairly pedestrian game even by his standards prior to the hit/assist. He should have changed well before going in on the forecheck because he was gassed, drilled Ceci from behind and made a nice play for the goal. His empty netter was fairly selfish, taking a stab at the empty net from the far end of the ice and risking an icing call. Other than these two plays which by their very nature were selfish, Kadri looked like poo. Of course he gets 2 point and can feel like he's contributing. Smoke and mirrors gentlemen, nothing beast like about his performance tonight. He was merely lucky that his selfish play paid off tonight.

I gotta ask, where was the inherent "risk" in Kadris open net attempt?

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

I gotta ask, where was the inherent "risk" in Kadris open net attempt?

This.

Up 2 goals, less than a minute left, an open net for an NHL player. Nothing about that should be risky, I always found it odd how often NHL players miss open nets, it's refreshing to see someone hit one.

 

[Diatomic]

Kadri needs to carry the puck, so does Kessel. I would agree that they are best seperated.
But why the whole "Kadri needs to be moved" angle. Do you not admit its relatedto your Bozak obsession?

Let him cherish the moment, this is Bozak's moment to shine, just like last year was Lupul's and Kadri's. When Bozak starts to regress next season/playoffs he won't have anything to brag about besides Bozak's spectacular faceoff ability

 

[diceman934]

Kadri coughed the puck up, fell down, and had a fairly pedestrian game even by his standards prior to the hit/assist. He should have changed well before going in on the forecheck because he was gassed, drilled Ceci from behind and made a nice play for the goal. His empty netter was fairly selfish, taking a stab at the empty net from the far end of the ice and risking an icing call. Other than these two plays which by their very nature were selfish, Kadri looked like poo. Of course he gets 2 point and can feel like he's contributing. Smoke and mirrors gentlemen, nothing beast like about his performance tonight. He was merely lucky that his selfish play paid off tonight.

He was on the ice against Ottawa's top line all night long, as well as lead the team in ice time. You would have to have an understanding of the minutes he played last night against one of the hottest lines in the NHL coming into the game to really grasp how he played......

His goal into the empty net was not selfish at all.....when leading by two goals it is a play you see all the time in the final 90 seconds of a game. His hit was not from behind at all, and the player himself admits to turning just prior to Kadri arriving.....

If his play last night was selfish, I will take another 1000 games of this type of selfish play as a Leaf please!

 

[Faltorvo]

This.

Up 2 goals, less than a minute left, an open net for an NHL player. Nothing about that should be risky, I always found it odd how often NHL players miss open nets, it's refreshing to see someone hit one.

It would have been a draw in our own end with about 26/27 ish seconds left and up 2.

0 risk involved.

 

[Diatomic]

 

[diceman934]

Agreed, much more comfortable than when he played with Kessel and JVR.

As much as I like Bozak, I can tell you that Kadri is vastly superior as a player. He is more physical, better offensively and defensively is better. Looking at his play recently suggest that Carlyle is in agreement with the way Kadri has been used. He has face a lot of the top lines recently and is still producing offensively. Face-offs are an area that he needs to improve but so does every center who has only been taking them 2 years as a pro, our previous management did not think he was a capable center and had him playing wing....what a waste.

The Difference between Kadri and Bozak is skill, and with Kessel needing the puck to be effective it makes more sense to keep Kadri away from Kessel to keep both our top players effective. Keeping Kadri is a key to our future success and he will get a deal around the 5M to 5.75M a year amount when his contract expires as his value is becoming very obvious to all. We are seeing a leader being develop in front of our eyes.

 

[Sonofamitch]

As much as I like Bozak, I can tell you that Kadri is vastly superior as a player. He is more physical, better offensively and defensively is better. Looking at his play recently suggest that Carlyle is in agreement with the way Kadri has been used. He has face a lot of the top lines recently and is still producing offensively. Face-offs are an area that he needs to improve but so does every center who has only been taking them 2 years as a pro, our previous management did not think he was a capable center and had him playing wing....what a waste.

The Difference between Kadri and Bozak is skill, and with Kessel needing the puck to be effective it makes more sense to keep Kadri away from Kessel to keep both our top players effective. Keeping Kadri is a key to our future success and he will get a deal around the 5M to 5.75M a year amount when his contract expires as his value is becoming very obvious to all. We are seeing a leader being develop in front of our eyes.

Kadri will get 4 million, he's not making more than Bolland and Bozak. He's the second line center year he should receive less than Bozak and more than Bolland and McClement.

 

[dimi78]

I think Kadri has found his niche in the NHL, this is an excellent #2C that can supply secondary scoring, while playing with an edge, be an agitating Center that can score 65 points a year. If he can tighten up his defensive play, improve his face-offs, and improve his strength especially down low, he will be a valuable piece to this team. I don't see him being a #1 franchise C though, there are so few players in the ilk of Tavares, Getzlaf, Toews variety.

His best slot is where he is playing right now, providing offence against second pairing D men, it's when he faces top defensive pairings he struggles.

So the question is what does he want in terms of a long term salary. 4.5M per to stay a Leaf? If he accepts this, we can keep him. He should slot just behind Bozak and JVR or just about there in terms of value to the team. But is is unlikely he will accept this. So we will see where it goes in 2 summers.

Kadri has just barely hatched the egg and hasn't come close to scratching the surface to his capabilities.

Here's a fun stat I learned at work the other day. Kadri is 7th in career PPG for all players 23 years of age and younger and from the guys a head of him he's currently the only 1 on his first full 82 game season... Never seen such a high end young player be sold so short like Kadri. Here's another thing he's the only one from the 7 that plays with a mean streak. Kadri in a couple seasons look out. The Leafs are doing it right insulating him to develop. That's how Datsyuk, Zetterburgh, and frankly the perfect comparable for Kadri's potential Giroux were developed.

Believe me when I say this he hasn't scratched the surface yet. Kessel at 26 is now just blossoming into the Bure-Lafonte hybrid player that he was described for his potential when drafted... and your going to place limits on Kadri already? Ludicrous. On pure skill & talent he's second only to Kessel on this team and the f@cked up thing everybody knows it yet act like he's not.

 

[Diatomic]

Kadri will get 4 million, he's not making more than Bolland and Bozak. He's the second line center year he should receive less than Bozak and more than Bolland and McClement.

The ONLY way he would accept 4million is if its a short term deal that takes him to UFA. Yeah sure lets do what we did to kessel, give him a short deal and when he's a UFA sign him to something massive.

I'd rather lock him up at like 5.5mil for 7 years (if he becomes the player we think he will be).

 

[jughead42*]

I gotta ask, where was the inherent "risk" in Kadris open net attempt?

Apparently you forgot about the Leafs blowing a huge lead late in the 3rd period against the Bruins last year in the playoffs. Google it dude. Pretty sure if Kadri misses the net there's an icing call and a faceoff in the Toronto end, and it's not like Nazem is some kind of faceoff wizard, pretty sure he would have lost it. It worked out for him sure when it went in, but firing it at the open net from deep in your own zone is a selfish and unneeded risk, the play is to chip it down the ice. Little Naz needed his points though so he and all his deluded fanboys can keep up the masquerade that he is some sort of elite player.

 

[TenYearsGone93]

It amazes me that people are back on the Bozak bandwagon. He's on a 12 game hot streak in large part because Kessel is on fire right now. When a player averages two points per game his linemates are gonna benefit from it offensively. Bozak has never shown a capability to produce anywhere close to this level at any point in his career. But all of a sudden he is gonna become a point per game player? LMAO. Kessel won't score like this all season and when he slows down a bit lets see how great our #1 C is.

For all you people using the stupid argument that Kadri can't play with Kessel because of a less than 10 game sample size... simply moronic. Bozak has had probably over 200 games to play with Kessel and going on two seasons with JVR, yet Kadri is just supposed to automatically click with that line right away? Take Bozak away from Kessel and give him the minutes Kadri got last year (3rd line, limited PP) and this guy would be lucky to crack 40 points in a 82 game season.

Kadri can create offense for himself and others. Bozak is just feeding off Kessel playing out of his mind. He is a third line centre and nothing more.

And as far as the face off numbers go, Bozak is like what 2 percent better on the season? So lets stop lying to ourselves over what Bozak is. I'm a proponent of keeping Kadri on line 2. Him and Lupul need to get it going. We can't put all our eggs in one basket. Bozak is fine where he is at the moment but he is NOT a number one centre. Hot streak aside, he needs to be replaced.

 

[Diatomic]

Apparently you forgot about the Leafs blowing a huge lead late in the 3rd period against the Bruins last year in the playoffs. Google it dude. Pretty sure if Kadri misses the net there's an icing call and a faceoff in the Toronto end, and it's not like Nazem is some kind of faceoff wizard, pretty sure he would have lost it. It worked out for him sure when it went in, but firing it at the open net from deep in your own zone is a selfish and unneeded risk, the play is to chip it down the ice. Little Naz needed his points though so he and all his deluded fanboys can keep up the masquerade that he is some sort of elite player.

there was barely 20 seconds left, your probably not good at math but the probability of the sens scoring 2 goals in 20 seconds is less than 1%.

Once again, there was no risk involved in that play.

 

[TootooTrain]

Kadri coughed the puck up, fell down, and had a fairly pedestrian game even by his standards prior to the hit/assist. He should have changed well before going in on the forecheck because he was gassed, drilled Ceci from behind and made a nice play for the goal. His empty netter was fairly selfish, taking a stab at the empty net from the far end of the ice and risking an icing call. Other than these two plays which by their very nature were selfish, Kadri looked like poo. Of course he gets 2 point and can feel like he's contributing. Smoke and mirrors gentlemen, nothing beast like about his performance tonight. He was merely lucky that his selfish play paid off tonight.

Even Healy manages to be more accurate than this in his breakdowns.

 

[dimi78]

It amazes me that people are back on the Bozak bandwagon. He's on a 12 game hot streak in large part because Kessel is on fire right now. When a player averages two points per game his linemates are gonna benefit from it offensively. Bozak has never shown a capability to produce anywhere close to this level at any point in his career. But all of a sudden he is gonna become a point per game player? LMAO. Kessel won't score like this all season and when he slows down a bit lets see how great our #1 C is.

For all you people using the stupid argument that Kadri can't play with Kessel because of a less than 10 game sample size... simply moronic. Bozak has had probably over 200 games to play with Kessel and going on two seasons with JVR, yet Kadri is just supposed to automatically click with that line right away? Take Bozak away from Kessel and give him the minutes Kadri got last year (3rd line, limited PP) and this guy would be lucky to crack 40 points in a 82 game season.

Kadri can create offense for himself and others. Bozak is just feeding off Kessel playing out of his mind. He is a third line centre and nothing more.

And as far as the face off numbers go, Bozak is like what 2 percent better on the season? So lets stop lying to ourselves over what Bozak is. I'm a proponent of keeping Kadri on line 2. Him and Lupul need to get it going. We can't put all our eggs in one basket. Bozak is fine where he is at the moment but he is NOT a number one centre. Hot streak aside, he needs to be replaced.

Bozak is legit... but Kadri is still the higher end talent. No need to snub Bozak cause he's not in the League of franchise centers in this league that there's only a handful of them.

A 1-2 punch of Bozak, Kadri is sufficient enough once Kadri matures. Kessel is the elite talent on 1 line with Bozak as his center and Kadri will be the elite talent on the 2nd line.

Too much stock put into where the elite players on your team should be mandated as a 1st line center. What you require is 2 elite players on 2 different lines so your not a 1 line offensive team rather it be on the wing or down the middle makes no difference cause teams win hockey games not individual players.

 

[Pi]

Kadri is a much better player than Bozak overall. We just have two good scoring lines if Kessel and JvR are clicking on one line and, Kadri and Lupul are clicking on the other.

Make no mistake...Kadri is the 2nd best forward and the best center on the team when he plays like this.

 

[Faltorvo]

Apparently you forgot about the Leafs blowing a huge lead late in the 3rd period against the Bruins last year in the playoffs. Google it dude. Pretty sure if Kadri misses the net there's an icing call and a faceoff in the Toronto end, and it's not like Nazem is some kind of faceoff wizard, pretty sure he would have lost it. It worked out for him sure when it went in, but firing it at the open net from deep in your own zone is a selfish and unneeded risk, the play is to chip it down the ice. Little Naz needed his points though so he and all his deluded fanboys can keep up the masquerade that he is some sort of elite player.

AHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!

OH oh, that's a good story, your a riot.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Apparently you forgot about the Leafs blowing a huge lead late in the 3rd period against the Bruins last year in the playoffs. Google it dude. Pretty sure if Kadri misses the net there's an icing call and a faceoff in the Toronto end, and it's not like Nazem is some kind of faceoff wizard, pretty sure he would have lost it. It worked out for him sure when it went in, but firing it at the open net from deep in your own zone is a selfish and unneeded risk, the play is to chip it down the ice. Little Naz needed his points though so he and all his deluded fanboys can keep up the masquerade that he is some sort of elite player.

I agree it was a stupid move, but Jesus man, try to be a little less butt-hurt about it.

At least you've moved on from "he's a bust" to "he's not an elite player".

 

[Faltorvo]

there was barely 20 seconds left, your probably not good at math but the probability of the sens scoring 2 goals in 20 seconds is less than 1%.

Once again, there was no risk involved in that play.

way way way less than 1%.

And I do mean way less.