Value of: Nash + Girardi to Arizona
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That's almost 14M for Arizona to swallow, I don't see it.
But if they take G's contract and we could even ask for a return, I don't mind, whatever they have to offer is fine
I'm not so desperate to dump Girardi as other Rangers fans, but if it happens the sweetener to take his contract won't be Nash (because of the huge cap they make together), it would have to be someone similar to Chychrun or Crouse potential and we don't have any of those that is not in the roster. Maybe Shesterkin but I love him.
But if they take G's contract and we could even ask for a return, I don't mind, whatever they have to offer is fine
I'm not so desperate to dump Girardi as other Rangers fans, but if it happens the sweetener to take his contract won't be Nash (because of the huge cap they make together), it would have to be someone similar to Chychrun or Crouse potential and we don't have any of those that is not in the roster. Maybe Shesterkin but I love him.
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I'm not sure this is possible at all. Arizona is adding 13.3M in cap, capfriendly shows them as having 6.34M with LTIR if I'm reading that right. That would mean you'd probably have to take on Smith at 5.37M and Michalek at 2.25M just to get the conversation started.
I don't see a way for it to work.
I don't see a way for it to work.
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Nash is ufa after next season, Girardi has 4 years left on his deal. I can guarantee you that Arizona would never do it. No team takes on Girardi and his contract. He is a bad bottom pairing defensemen at best, who can barely skate and makes 5,5 for 4 more years... You dont wanna take on that contract
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Doan + Stone = $7.88
Michalek (if in AHL) = $2.25
That's $10.13 and the Nash Girardi duo are $13.30. If Rangers could be convinced to retain a bit on Nash, it could lower the net cap gain for Arizona from $3.17 to $2.00 (15 percent retained) or maybe less. And further increase Nash's trade value if Arizona trades him later.
Arizona also has the ability to trade Datsyuk max retained as $3.75 in dead cap until the summer. I mean they could trade Datsyuk to a third and seperate team, not Rangers. Which would cost them, but it's an option I suppose.
They can also trade Hanzal at any time and demand "minimal salary come back or no deal". It's a seller's market and sellers are in a position to make demands.
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i would definetely do it to get rid of Girardi. Dont see Arizona doing it though. Nash only has 1 year left before he is ufa.
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Good question. Arizona fan might know. If so,
Replace with McGinn (Doan costs $0.55 more)
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Replace with Hanzal (Doan costs $0.78 more)
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AZ has got to be one of the "other" teams on Nash' no trade list.
At this point, with injuries to Buch and Kreider, NYR can't afford to trade a skilled and scoring forward.......Nash, who was washed up according to HF posters a few months ago, already has 8 goals and 13pts on the season.
At this point, with injuries to Buch and Kreider, NYR can't afford to trade a skilled and scoring forward.......Nash, who was washed up according to HF posters a few months ago, already has 8 goals and 13pts on the season.
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Doan would retire rather than play on another team at this point.
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Why do the Rangers off Rick Nash to get rid of Girardi short of some protection snafu thing?
Nash is in great form and is a positive asset at this point. A team that wants the last year of Rick Nash's contract can pay up; we do not need to tack Nash on for someone to take Girardi.
Nash is in great form and is a positive asset at this point. A team that wants the last year of Rick Nash's contract can pay up; we do not need to tack Nash on for someone to take Girardi.
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I think Nash wouldn't be a part of the conversation, the point seems to be to dump Girardi though and we might be able to help there. I'd imagine it would take something along the lines of Girardi + Miller for Michalek + pick and possibly a prospect (don't flame, keep reading). Eating 4 years of Girardi would be pretty brutal, it's not like he could be placed on LTIR like Bolland has been.
That said, no Rangers fan would be happy giving up Miller and rightfully so. I know some Coyotes fans have thrown around the idea of Fast and Lindberg as players we'd like to see added but I have no idea how they've played this year or if they hold enough value to offset the addition of Girardi.
That said, no Rangers fan would be happy giving up Miller and rightfully so. I know some Coyotes fans have thrown around the idea of Fast and Lindberg as players we'd like to see added but I have no idea how they've played this year or if they hold enough value to offset the addition of Girardi.
Arizona never does it excuse expansion draft alone before you factor in the Girardi issues and getting 1 year of Nash at the end of his days as being kinda productive.
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Both the Main boards and NYR boards I never see this brought up so..
Nash may not be the beast his salary commands, but he is not a pylon either, nor just an average player.
On most other teams he is one of if not the top guy the puck moves through, thus his numbers would be slightly higher.
On our current roster, he still has that aura that other teams have to respect and game plan for which in return opens up the ice for the obscene depth scoring we have this past month. Opposing coaches do not go into the game leaving Nash to do what he wants. His only flaw right now is not going to high traffic area's, which can be exploited, but is by no means a player you just dismiss as average defendability.
Take Nash off this team, and Grabner, Miller, etc...who are scoring above their normal expected numbers, are now facing other teams top 6/top 4 players more than they do now and most likely the "scoring depth" we have disappears. Notice how Vesey has disapeared a bit, and with Buch and Kreider in the stands we are not as dominant as we were? We are still pulling out wins and a couple high scoring games, but we have full periods and a couple games where there is a definite chink-in-the-armor with out our full line-up.
Nash's role on this team is greater than just goals and assists. It creates miss match problems for most teams who lack the depth on their bottom lines to match our speed/skill combo's
And he's not to shabby in his own zone either.
Stop acting like he is expendable for dumps and/or pennies on the dollar trades.
Nash may not be the beast his salary commands, but he is not a pylon either, nor just an average player.
On most other teams he is one of if not the top guy the puck moves through, thus his numbers would be slightly higher.
On our current roster, he still has that aura that other teams have to respect and game plan for which in return opens up the ice for the obscene depth scoring we have this past month. Opposing coaches do not go into the game leaving Nash to do what he wants. His only flaw right now is not going to high traffic area's, which can be exploited, but is by no means a player you just dismiss as average defendability.
Take Nash off this team, and Grabner, Miller, etc...who are scoring above their normal expected numbers, are now facing other teams top 6/top 4 players more than they do now and most likely the "scoring depth" we have disappears. Notice how Vesey has disapeared a bit, and with Buch and Kreider in the stands we are not as dominant as we were? We are still pulling out wins and a couple high scoring games, but we have full periods and a couple games where there is a definite chink-in-the-armor with out our full line-up.
Nash's role on this team is greater than just goals and assists. It creates miss match problems for most teams who lack the depth on their bottom lines to match our speed/skill combo's
And he's not to shabby in his own zone either.
Stop acting like he is expendable for dumps and/or pennies on the dollar trades.
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This is exactly why players negotiate for NTC/NMC.
"Hey, you're on a really great team, you're getting older, you're in a great city, but we want to trade you to Arizona so you don't have a chance at ... anything."
"Hey, you're on a really great team, you're getting older, you're in a great city, but we want to trade you to Arizona so you don't have a chance at ... anything."
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The Coyotes have multiple big money dmen with worse possession stats this season than Girardi.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...fense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
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Wouldn't that be like saying Dallas should take on Mike Smith because they already have big money goalies playing poorly? Just because you have something bad on your team doesn't mean you want to make it worse.
Plus his Corsi would put him at 6 of our Dman and he's on one of the best teams in the league. He is only better than Gogo who had a horrid start, and Stone who is coming back from two injuries
