Proposal: MTL - COL

[KevSkillz4]

To Montreal Canadiens: Alex Newhook.
To Colorado Avalanche: Sean Monahan retain's 50% + Jan Mysak.

Colorado need C depth, after Kadri lost, they acquire a good top 6 C with Sean Monahan who have 17 points in 25 games so far this year and a prospect C//LW with Jan Mysak who play a style like Artturi Lehkonen.

Alex Newhook have good talent, but he don't product well this year, 12 points in 30 games.

Habs continue to grab young players from 2019 draft, after Kirby Dach, welcome Alex Newhook!

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[Djp]

They aren’t trading newhook for a him.

 

[Ararana]

I could see Newhook being traded, especially if a 2C is coming the other way, but probably not for Monahan.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I could see Newhook being traded, especially if a 2C is coming the other way, but probably not for Monahan.

Only way I see Newhook traded is if the Avs get get a sign/trade on that 2C they consider a solution past this season. What's the safe cap hit for your 2C that doesn't mess up your cap? That's going to reveal a lot in terms of your target strategy

I agree Monahan doesn't return Newhook. I think Monahan can help the Avs a lot but we will have to see what happens from now till deadline. Monahan has to get back playing and pick up from where he left off. With Monahan, it's not a question about ability, it's a question about health.

I think Hughes holds out on Monahan all the way to the deadline if he don't get offered a 1st (20+ range). If the 1st don't get offered, I think we get two 2nd's at a min. It's not going to be just a 2nd rounder.

 

[McJedi]

To Montreal Canadiens: Alex Newhook.
To Colorado Avalanche: Sean Monahan retain's 50% + Jan Mysak.

Colorado need C depth, after Kadri lost, they acquire a good top 6 C with Sean Monahan who have 17 points in 25 games so far this year and a prospect C//LW with Jan Mysak who play a style like Artturi Lehkonen.

Alex Newhook have good talent, but he don't product well this year, 12 points in 30 games.

Habs continue to grab young players from 2019 draft, after Kirby Dach, welcome Alex Newhook!

This is garbage for the Avs. Newhook is an important player for them. He played 17 good minutes last night in a really well played 0:0 game that featured great goalie play and team defense, especially by the Avs.

In this game, Newhook nearly scored twice.

He scored a beautiful game winner last game vs Nashville. He’s 21 and playing quite well. He’s got seven goals in his last 21 games. Keep that pace going and you’ll have 28 goals or so in a season.

Monahan has virtually no trade value because of his laundry list of injuries and games missed. Guess what… he’s currently injured. As usual. Any team that acquires Monahan knows he’s going to miss games. He’s not a rental. He’s a flier. You take a flier on him for something like a 3rd round pick. No team will trade for Monahan and say…. Nailed it. He’s our new 2C and will be readily available for several rounds of grueling playoff hockey. Sorry to burst your bubble but you’re high as a kite on paint fumes if you think Monahan has anything close to the value you’ve ascribed here.

 

[Captain97]

Avs say no, only player I can't think of Newhook going for is an extended horvat this deadline.

 

[Dr Amazing]

No.

 

[Ararana]

Only way I see Newhook traded is if the Avs get get a sign/trade on that 2C they consider a solution past this season. What's the safe cap hit for your 2C that doesn't mess up your cap? That's going to reveal a lot in terms of your target strategy

I agree Monahan doesn't return Newhook. I think Monahan can help the Avs a lot but we will have to see what happens from now till deadline. Monahan has to get back playing and pick up from where he left off. With Monahan, it's not a question about ability, it's a question about health.

I think Hughes holds out on Monahan all the way to the deadline if he don't get offered a 1st (20+ range). If the 1st don't get offered, I think we get two 2nd's at a min. It's not going to be just a 2nd rounder.

The obvious answer here is Horvat. If the Avs managed to find a way to fit his new contract in I'd ship a Newhook package out for him in a heartbeat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The obvious answer here is Horvat. If the Avs managed to find a way to fit his new contract in I'd ship a Newhook package out for him in a heartbeat.

Does his cap hit $8M - $9M range fit your cap structure?

 

[McJedi]

Does his cap hit $8M - $9M range fit your cap structure?

Nope. If the Avs didn’t resign Kadri, they won’t be going even bigger at 2C. Horvat would just be a rental for the Avs. And Sakic doesn’t do expensive rentals he can’t resign.

 

[Ararana]

Does his cap hit $8M - $9M range fit your cap structure?

Not easily, but it's doable. It's probably a bigger question of are they willing to give Horvat that much.

The Avs will probably have to say goodbye to one of their LHD (Toews/Byram/Girard) this summer with or without Horvat. Girard is the most likely candidate and that does free up some money for a 2C.

Compher/eRod/Cogliano/EJ are all off the books but will need to be replaced.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not easily, but it's doable. It's probably a bigger question of are they willing to give Horvat that much.

The Avs will probably have to say goodbye to one of their LHD (Toews/Byram/Girard) this summer with or without Horvat. Girard is the most likely candidate and that does free up some money for a 2C.

Compher/Cogliano/EJ are all off the books but will need to be replaced.

I think you send Girard in the deal if you can get a sign/trade with the Canucks on Horvat. That makes sense for the cap and the Canucks will take Girard if you give them the futures you want.

Fun to talk about but it's probable you end up with one or ROR or Monahan IMO. Maybe Toews

 

[Ararana]

I think you send Girard in the deal if you can get a sign/trade with the Canucks on Horvat. That makes sense for the cap and the Canucks will take Girard if you give them the futures you want.

Fun to talk about but it's probable you end up with one or ROR or Monahan IMO. Maybe Toews

That would be ideal, but from what I've heard Girard isn't what they're looking for in a return for Horvat.

Realistically? I 100% believe they get Jonathan Toews as a pure rental for a 1st and prospect (Olausson maybe) and push the 2C problem back to the summer.

St Louis hates our guts, they'd never send us ROR. And Monahan would be a disappointment IMO.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Avs say no

 

[Habs Halifax]

That would be ideal, but from what I've heard Girard isn't what they're looking for in a return for Horvat.

Realistically? I 100% believe they get Jonathan Toews as a pure rental for a 1st and prospect (Olausson maybe) and push the 2C problem back to the summer.

St Louis hates our guts, they'd never send us ROR. And Monahan would be a disappointment IMO.

If you want value for Girard and the futures are less in the Horvat trade as a result, that won't work. You would have to be willing to accept that Girard goes for little credit value in that sign/trade. Or try to trade Girard somewhere else but that team likely tries to send a contract back.

Horvat, ROR, Toews, Monahan. Who else are we forgetting? Larkin but I don't think he leaves the Jets. PLD? I don't think the Jets trade him while in a playoff spot.

 

[Lockin17]

Avs say no, only player I can't think of Newhook going for is an extended horvat this deadline.

That's gonna cost a lot more then just Newhook

 

[Azrael89]

Monahan hasn’t been good enough to trade Newhook for. Might as well add a first or whatever and get Toews. Avs are in win now mode and Toews is the better player.

 

[Ararana]

If you want value for Girard and the futures are less in the Horvat trade as a result, that won't work. You would have to be willing to accept that Girard goes for little credit value in that sign/trade. Or try to trade Girard somewhere else but that team likely tries to send a contract back.

Horvat, ROR, Toews, Monahan. Who else are we forgetting? Larkin but I don't think he leaves the Jets. PLD? I don't think the Jets trade him while in a playoff spot.

I agree that Girard's value has dropped off the last few years. But he's still a damn good defenseman on a cheaper contract. In a league that is super needy for good defensemen, if the Avs do decide to move him I think they'll do fine for themselves in a Girard trade.

But by himself I'm not expecting Girard to return a Horvat type. If Horvat agreed to extend Newhook + Girard would be interesting.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Monahan hasn’t been good enough to trade Newhook for. Might as well add a first or whatever and get Toews. Avs are in win now mode and Toews is the better player.

Monahan at age 28 vs Toews at age 34. I think the results are the same. Both play a sound 200' game at center, are physical big boys, and good on faceoffs. Coaches love players like this.

Habs know we are not getting a Newhook piece in a Monahan trade. Most of us anyways.

 

[Groo]

I agree that Girard's value has dropped off the last few years. But he's still a damn good defenseman on a cheaper contract. In a league that is super needy for good defensemen, if the Avs do decide to move him I think they'll do fine for themselves in a Girard trade.

But by himself I'm not expecting Girard to return a Horvat type. If Horvat agreed to extend Newhook + Girard would be interesting.

Not if you listen to Nuck fans it isn't

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree that Girard's value has dropped off the last few years. But he's still a damn good defenseman on a cheaper contract. In a league that is super needy for good defensemen, if the Avs do decide to move him I think they'll do fine for themselves in a Girard trade.

But by himself I'm not expecting Girard to return a Horvat type. If Horvat agreed to extend Newhook + Girard would be interesting.

Newhook and Girard is a good package but it's not exactly what the Canucks are after. Maybe but that will depend on what other teams are offering.

I feel if you offer Girard in a separate trade, you will get some interest but that team will try to send a cap dump back and also offer low value. 20-30 pts D man who is smaller in size. I think if Girard is traded, it's to unload cap and take the best you can get while also taking a lower contract.

 

[Ararana]

Not if you listen to Nuck fans it isn't

I've found Vancouver fans to be completely realistic with their Horvat expectations

 

[Groo]

I've found Vancouver fans to be completely realistic with their Horvat expectations

It's the Girard part they have repeatedly stressed they neither want nor need. They seem to be looking for a Dman with a different set of "skills"

 

[Ararana]

It's the Girard part they have repeatedly stressed they neither want nor need. They seem to be looking for a Dman with a different set of "skills"

I don't blame them, Girard wouldn't be my first choice either. But for a pending UFA who sounds like he doesn't want to negotiate during the season? They're probably going to be disappointed with the return.

 

[Groo]

I don't blame them, Girard wouldn't be my first choice either. But for a pending UFA who sounds like he doesn't want to negotiate during the season? Their probably going to be disappointed with the return.

Not that disappointed