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Divine said:
How many games would Mrazek need to cost this team before you can objectively see what everyone else already sees? Just curious. 50?
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I mean his current record is 6-3, that's not exactly liability territory.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't been great this season, but he's got enough of a career track record that a handful of game isn't enough to define what he is
 
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Menzinger said:
I mean his current record is 6-3, that's not exactly liability territory.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't been great this season, but he's got enough of a career track record that a handful of game isn't enough to define what he is
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Fun fact: Every player will eventually decline. Mrazek might be starting his, so his career doesn't mean much when he struggles to put up better numbers than our AHL backup with 4 NHL games. It could just be the start of a decline that we refuse to accept until it's too late.
 
Menzinger said:
I mean his current record is 6-3, that's not exactly liability territory.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't been great this season, but he's got enough of a career track record that a handful of game isn't enough to define what he is
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He has certainly looked like less of a liability than Campbell in 2022.

He could play 30 games this year if he is splitting 50/50 with Campbell the rest of the way. We will see how he looks after playing 30 games rather than just 9... Especially since he has a .910 in his last 6 games after he has been able to get away from a rough and injury-filled 2021. It's not great, but I imagine that the more games he gets under his belt and the more comfortable he gets in net, the more he can build on his play. There are a few goals I think he is giving up right now that he won't give up as often once he starts getting into more of a rhythm.

If he continues winning 66% of his games while taking the load off of Campbell, then I would take a mediocre save percentage out of him. Especially when Campbell is putting up an .880 or something in 2022 and looks completely out of sync.
 
Menzinger said:
I mean his current record is 6-3, that's not exactly liability territory.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't been great this season, but he's got enough of a career track record that a handful of game isn't enough to define what he is
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Does it matter he is giving up 4 goals regularly and the only reason his win-loss record (which is a team record more so) is because of all the run support the team is giving him?

His 2.95 GAA and SV% .899 is not good.

These are game logs of wins.

Mon 2/7vsCARW
4-3 OT -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Mon 1/31vsNJW
6-4 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Sat 1/29@DETW
7-4 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Sat 1/22@NYIW
3-1 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Sat 12/11vsCHIW
5-4 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Sat 10/30vsDETW
5-4 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Of those 6 wins the Leafs had to score 4 or more goals in 5 games and look at the QofC as all but Carolina are non playoff teams.

He also lost to these non playoff teams near the bottom of the NHL standings.

Sat 2/12@VANL
3-2 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Wed 1/12@ARIL
2-1 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Thu 10/14@OTTL
3-2 -
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 
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Divine said:
How many games would Mrazek need to cost this team before you can objectively see what everyone else already sees? Just curious. 50?
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I'm seeing Mrazek's shaky play as much as anyone else, but I'm really against the idea of waiving a guy on a three year contract because it's frankly dysfunctional and then you're stuck with a toxic contract. The guy has a 6-3 record so even if his stats are terrible you need build up his game over time vs pulling the plug, and see if you can escape from the contract quietly later.

We're also short on other options right now. Jack Campbell had a .879 SV% in January, so when your starter has produced even worse hockey in one month compared to Mrazek, you kind of need to treat both with kid gloves so one starts working properly again.

Jack Campbell Game by Game Stats and Performance | ESPN
 
When Mrazek is in net, his aggressive style of attacking the puck, has really lead to the fact the Leafs have to outscore their mistakes to W's in the win column.

Even in Wins Mrazek often surrenders 4 goals forcing the Leafs to score 5 to get the 2 points.

This might work in the regular season particularly against weaker non playoff teams, but its going to be a disaster come playoff time when there are no more bad teams and things tighten up and the games get tighter checking and lower scoring.

Mrazek is simply not trust worthy to consistently provide .915 - .920 sv% based on his style of play. IMO
 
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Too much time spent analyzing a backup tender .. he is fine for what he was signed for .. only issue was 3 year term .. he gives us insurance should soup get hurt .. see him for what he is . we needed someone 1 year at 3.8M would have been perfect
 
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Mess said:
When Mrazek is in net, his aggressive style of attacking the puck, has really lead to the fact the Leafs have to outscore their mistakes to W's in the win column.

Even in Wins Mrazek often surrenders 4 goals forcing the Leafs to score 5 to get the 2 points.

This might work in the regular season particularly against weaker non playoff teams, but its going to be a disaster come playoff time when there are no more bad teams and things tighten up and the games get tighter checking and lower scoring.

Mrazek is simply not trust worthy to consistently provide .915 - .920 sv% based on his style of play. IMO
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Though you expecting .920 out of him is unrealistic regardless. What's more likely is he will settle back in after a larger sample size of games played into around his career save average of .910. Which should be more than adequate to secure wins alongside the skaters putting in their fair share of effort
 
Menzinger said:
Though you expecting .920 out of him is unrealistic regardless. What's more likely is he will settle back in after a larger sample size of games played into around his career save average of .910. Which should be more than adequate to secure wins alongside the skaters putting in their fair share of effort
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Mrazek actually has a career .910, so if there's any settling in from his .899 this year, expect us to see a signature Mrazek hot streak at some point. I think what people don't like about him (myself included) is he has a very erratic, reactive athletic game style which puts him out of position often and seems to pointlessly overplay routine shots. So it lends an air of chaos.
 
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Menzinger said:
Though you expecting .920 out of him is unrealistic regardless. What's more likely is he will settle back in after a larger sample size of games played into around his career save average of .910. Which should be more than adequate to secure wins alongside the skaters putting in their fair share of effort
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I suspect that means you expect Campbell to be in net come playoff time.

A .910 sv% isn't going to win you any playoff rounds against teams like TB or Florida.

Campbell currently sits @ .921 sv% .
 
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Mess said:
I suspect that means you expect Campbell to be in net come playoff time.

A .910 sv% isn't going to win you any playoff rounds against teams like TB or Florida.

Campbell currently sits @ .921 sv% .
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Sure. I'd assume most folks see Campbell as the 1A in the tandem vs Mrazek being the B side of it

The advantage of the tandem system is the team can just ride whomever is hottest
 
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Menzinger said:
Sure. I'd assume most folks see Campbell as the 1A in the tandem vs Mrazek being the B side of it

The advantage of the tandem system is the team can just ride whomever is hottest
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Right now the situation feels like a Raycroft-Toskala partnership and if the past two games are any indication, the team hates playing in front of both of them.
 
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Stephen said:
Right now the situation feels like a Raycroft-Toskala partnership and if the past two games are any indication, the team hates playing in front of both of them.
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Gotta be hard playing in front of goaltenders who you know will let in a stinker a game minimum at the worst possible moments.

On the flipside, gotta be hard being a goaltender when your defensemen get beat constantly all game long.
 
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LastOne2100 said:
Gotta be hard playing in front of goaltenders who you know will let in a stinker a game minimum at the worst possible moments.

On the flipside, gotta be hard being a goaltender when your defensemen get beat constantly all game long.
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Yeah, I think it's obvious there's mutual distrust and discomfort between the goaltending and defense/team. Not sure where this all came from. Pittsburgh was a pretty good game notwithstanding a lopsided shot clock (which I thought had to do with score effects).

The St. Louis game just sort of wrecked them.
 
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I wonder how many more of these awful performances by Mrazek will it take before the Mrazek defenders give up the narrative about him being good at one point because he isn’t anymore
 
Racer88 said:
I wonder how many more of these awful performances by Mrazek will it take before the Mrazek defenders give up the narrative about him being good at one point because he isn’t anymore
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I don't think Mrazek has a lot of fans. There's a thought process for why he's here and a list of pros and cons for giving him a longer look to protect his value as an asset and as a back up goalie option. But other than those conversations, and trying to keep an open mind, not sure many people are actually fans of his.
 
Can't lay the blame solely on Mrazek for tonight's debacle, but he gets his share. He lost the net completely (and almost comically) on the Caufield two-on-one goal and didn't even seem to try to stop Hoffman's shot on the third (backbreaking) goal.
 
Brown Dog said:
Can't lay the blame solely on Mrazek for tonight's debacle, but he gets his share. He lost the net completely (and almost comically) on the Caufield two-on-one goal and didn't even seem to try to stop Hoffman's shot on the third (backbreaking) goal.
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Mrazek doesn't play a modern technique so when he's using wildly acrobatic moves to make saves it either looks spectacular or he's clueless. This kind of stuff was fun to watch in the 90s, but when you have a modern defense that doesn't know if you're going to attempt some spectacular street hockey save on a routine play and cough up some juicy rebounds I don't think it inspires confidence.
 
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