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Nylanderthal said:
If mrazek doesn’t shut the door after that 4th goal the team would’ve needed all 7 just to get to OT the way they were playing the first 45-50 mins. Again I’m doubting if we’re even watching the same game, or if you just make reactions based on stat watching
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We aren't watching the same games, you aren't watching at all
 
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Gary Nylund said:
It's a tiresome myth that Dubas overpays everyone. He overpaid Marner, that was a joke of a contract but that's pretty much it. OK Ritchie maybe but other than that nothing comes to mind and good point about Rielly!
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Essentially everyone on the team's contract has been complained about at some point by people on this board. Other than Spezza. He cannot make any less than he does.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Yes carried by the offense, when you consistently have to score 5 goals to win whenever one guy is in net you are being carried by the offense.

Marazek has 4 wins, in 3 of those wins he's needed 5 goals to win and got it.

You're damn right he's being carried by the offense.

Hopefully that changes against NJ, but even if it does it's NJ.

I want to see him play well against and beat some good teams.
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He was one of our best players last night, period. Did you even watch the game?

Nylanderthal said:
Mitch’s deal is bad and largely indefensible, but even as an RFA Mitch held all the power in that situation. Kyle got roasted by everyone from every side for his handling of Willy and letting him sit.
What realistic options did Kyle have? Trade him? They definitely lose that trade… dare him to sign the offer sheet? What good are draft picks for a team competing? Mitch is far more valuable than 5 magic beans… I guess They could of let him sit? So he can hear about it every day like the Willy situation again and handicap a team that’s competing for a cup by allowing a core piece to sit? I really didn’t see much choice than to make the deal he made. Which when Mitch isn’t 100% on doesn’t look good.
Right now, he’s on and it looks okay.
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I would have let him sit, I would have considered trading him last summer and I don't agree that we're guaranteed to lose any trade involving him. But whatever, that's been discussed to death, hopefully he's a major contributor to us going deep in the playoffs this spring as unlikely as that may seem today. Do that and nobody will care that he got overpaid, at least I believe that most people (like myself) care more about team success than anything else.
 
Nylanderthal said:
That’s just not true. Lol I think you’ll find more agreeing with me as well, so maybe take a deep breath and step back and stop being so damn reactionary to everything.
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I've said it before there are a lot of ass kissers here that hate when you are critical of goalies.
 
Gary Nylund said:
He was one of our best players last night, period. Did you even watch the game?



I would have let him sit, I would have considered trading him last summer and I don't agree that we're guaranteed to lose any trade involving him. But whatever, that's been discussed to death, hopefully he's a major contributor to us going deep in the playoffs this spring as unlikely as that may seem today. Do that and nobody will care that he got overpaid, at least I believe that most people (like myself) care more about team success than anything else.
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I agree that if there isn’t playoff success he’s the first on the list to look at moving, I just have a hard time looking back at that moment and thinking you’d of won a marner trade. I feel now with so much money paid off that he’ll have more value.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
If mrazek doesn’t shut the door after that 4th goal the team would’ve needed all 7 just to get to OT the way they were playing the first 45-50 mins. Again I’m doubting if we’re even watching the same game, or if you just make reactions based on stat watching
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Funny I was thinking about Fuhr last night, how everyone used to say that he may let in 5 but he won't let in that 6th and Oilers win 6-5 yada yada yada. Anyhow, I think that was a much overdone story re. Fuhr but still, there was some truth to it and Mrazek reminded me of that last night.

Mrazek was one of our best players last night, our defence was abysmal and we could easily have been losing 7-1 at one point but in the end, Mrazek played well and kept us in the game until we finally scored some goals. I'm amazed anyone could complain about the was he played, it's a joke.

Judas Tavares said:
Essentially everyone on the team's contract has been complained about at some point by people on this board. Other than Spezza. He cannot make any less than he does.
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Oh I don't know about that. I haven't noticed anyone complaining about Brodie for example. I do get your point though and it's possible I've just missed people whining about Brodie, there is a lot of whining here and I certainly don't read every post. :)
 
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Gary Nylund said:
It's a tiresome myth that Dubas overpays everyone. He overpaid Marner, that was a joke of a contract but that's pretty much it. OK Ritchie maybe but other than that nothing comes to mind and good point about Rielly!
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His excellent signings far outweigh the 1-1.5 overpay on Marner. And when Marner is on his game like the last 6 since he’s been back, is he overpaid?
 
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Gary Nylund said:
He was one of our best players last night, period. Did you even watch the game?



I would have let him sit, I would have considered trading him last summer and I don't agree that we're guaranteed to lose any trade involving him. But whatever, that's been discussed to death, hopefully he's a major contributor to us going deep in the playoffs this spring as unlikely as that may seem today. Do that and nobody will care that he got overpaid, at least I believe that most people (like myself) care more about team success than anything else.
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I wouldn't call him one of our best players last night.

I'd have Bunting, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Engvall, hell even Matthews above him and I didn't even like Matthews game last night.

Marazek would be 5 or 6 on that list.
 
The90 said:
His excellent signings far outweigh the 1-1.5 overpay on Marner. And when Marner is on his game like the last 6 since he’s been back, is he overpaid?
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I’d rather have Mitch overpaid by 1-2m and compensate with a sub 1m value find than have two middle 6 guys making 5/6m each long term.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I wouldn't call him one of our best players last night.

I'd have Bunting, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Engvall, hell even Matthews above him and I didn't even like Matthews game last night.

Marazek would be 5 or 6 on that list.
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So he was among a handful of the teams best players, yet he’s awful and they should trade him immediately and bring in 36 year old Halak instead as the guy to carry the load with Jack? Who you also made a thread about being a problem…
 
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Nylanderthal said:
I’d rather have Mitch overpaid by 1-2m and compensate with a sub 1m value find than have two middle 6 guys making 5/6m each long term.
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I’m with you. They’ve shown they’re very adept at finding talent for minimum contracts as well. Kampf and bunting have 2 year contracts for peanuts, kase for nothing, Holl back to playing #4 level defence for 2.2. The amount of value they’ve been able to find on the cheap is insane.
 
Nylanderthal said:
So he was among a handful of the teams best players, yet he’s awful and they should trade him immediately and bring in 36 year old Halak instead as the guy to carry the load with Jack? Who you also made a thread about being a problem…
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Recently Jack's play has been a problem, but prior to Colorado Campbell was playing great.

Marazek has not played great in any game this year.

In fact Marazek has only truly been good against the NYI.

yes he only let in 2 against Arizona but if you go back and look at both those goals he should have had both
 
Nylanderthal said:
I agree that if there isn’t playoff success he’s the first on the list to look at moving, I just have a hard time looking back at that moment and thinking you’d of won a marner trade. I feel now with so much money paid off that he’ll have more value.
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Maybe. It's also possible that we look back and see that coming off a 1st all-star season and under contract still for so many years, that was the point at which his trade value was at it's peak.

The90 said:
His excellent signings far outweigh the 1-1.5 overpay on Marner. And when Marner is on his game like the last 6 since he’s been back, is he overpaid?
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Agree about the signings. And yes Marner's been great lately, let's hope he keeps it up. What I would say about Marner and that contract is that yes, it's possible Marner lives up to it (which has has done sporadically) but there is basically zero chance that he gives you more value, that he becomes a bargain like Nylander for example has become. That's what a fair contract is IMO - when the player absolutely hits 100% of his potential, you look back and say that the guy ended up being a bargain at that price.
 
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The90 said:
I’m with you. They’ve shown they’re very adept at finding talent for minimum contracts as well. Kampf and bunting have 2 year contracts for peanuts, kase for nothing, Holl back to playing #4 level defence for 2.2. The amount of value they’ve been able to find on the cheap is insane.
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100% this. The way some of these guys have played has more than made up for the disappointment that Ritchie has been. Other than not extending Campbell, Dubas had a really good off-season.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I wouldn't call him one of our best players last night.

I'd have Bunting, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Engvall, hell even Matthews above him and I didn't even like Matthews game last night.

Marazek would be 5 or 6 on that list.
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Well if even you had him as one our best 6 players or so, what the hell are you complaining about?
 
Racer88 said:
That depends. Goalies are weird creatures and can change in a heartbeat.
Just because he has this past record doesn’t mean that he will do that for his entire career. At some point all goalies lose it. And they usually lose it fast
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He's not at an age you can expect a precipitous drop off

Goaltenders have ups and downs and if you don't have a decent starter he's a pretty attractive option
 
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The90 said:
In your opinion at least. If he produces at a ppg pace in the playoffs, I’m ok with his contract. He hasn’t so it’s an overpay.
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I'd be fine with it too if he steps up in the plsyoffs. Still an overpay regardless but few will care if they actually win something
 
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